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[FizzyDrink]

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Time to jump in ...

Zetsu is the key to this debate.

Oro was the best mad scientist (in the Narutoverse) and the closest he could come to the First was Tenzo/Yamato. Zetsu has abilities Oro would have loved to have, but clearly Zetsu is closest to Tobi. Zetsu clearly has a connection to the First, and Tobi apparently has Zetsu like appendages.

I believe Zetsu is the one that Madara is referring to when he says "This is HIS doing".

After the battle of Madara and the First, Zetsu may have appeared to Madara and was being used as an assistant for his plans. When Madara died Zetsu probably didn't have the power to make the Moon Eye plan happen. Thats when Zetsu found a half dead Obito, and merged with him somehow so he could carry out Madara's plan. It would explain how Tobi knows so much history and why Tobi can take so much damage and keep coming back. The Obito/Kakashi stuff has been beaten to death so I won't even bother to go through that again. This is just a theory but I haven't seen anything to prove it wrong.

So are you saying Tobi is Zetsu or Obito? Because it really depends on who's mind is in control. If it's Obito, then you're wrong, because Tobi and Madara planned the Moon's Eye plan when Madara was alive, and Obito would not be able to know about that. If Zetsu is the one who's mind is in control, why would he choose Obito?

 

[Orochimagus]

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Neither does Sasuke, really. Thing is, if Nawaki was taken in by Madara, at his young age he could be molded to his image. I am also not saying it is Nawaki, but any possible Senju that has been able to extract as much power as possible from that single Sharingan he is controlling SIX beasts with.

Izuna has NO DEVELOPMENT. He has gotten almost NO PANEL TIME. He has not even said a WORD. Obito has more development than Izuna ever did. A random fodder like Izuna just won't be Tobi.

 

[lorul2]

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So are you saying Tobi is Zetsu or Obito? Because it really depends on who's mind is in control. If it's Obito, then you're wrong, because Tobi and Madara planned the Moon's Eye plan when Madara was alive, and Obito would not be able to know about that. If Zetsu is the one who's mind is in control, why would he choose Obito?

1. Obito talks to Zetsu like he is in charge. He told Zetsu he didn't have the power to take on Naruto, so I would say he is the leader.

2. How do you know Zetsu and Madara didn't plan "The Moon's Eye Plan"? and then Zetsu told Obito?

3. I didn't say Zetsu was in control but if the question is why Obito, what other Uchilla was seperated from the main clan and would be mad about being left by Konoa buried alive.

 

[ItachiSan03]

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See the quotes above. You can always find previous theories in the thread by using search button. I tried to include most names in the poll so that people know what are the theories mentioned in the thread. But mostly it was from memory so if some name is missed let me know and I will add it.

Ah ok thank you

 

[FizzyDrink]

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Neither does Sasuke, really. Thing is, if Nawaki was taken in by Madara, at his young age he could be molded to his image. I am also not saying it is Nawaki, but any possible Senju that has been able to extract as much power as possible from that single Sharingan he is controlling SIX beasts with.

Izuna has NO DEVELOPMENT. He has gotten almost NO PANEL TIME. He has not even said a WORD. Obito has more development than Izuna ever did. A random fodder like Izuna just won't be Tobi.

Izuna most definitely isn't fodder, are you kidding? He played a very important part in the advancement of the plot. Obviously if Tobi turned out to be Izuna, he would be developed after his unmasking, that just makes sense. Whoever he is will be developed after he is unmasked. Sure Obito has more developement, that doesn't make him more likely to be Tobi. Actually, the fact that he has been developed more makes it LESS likely for him to be Tobi, because we know what kind of person he is and he would not do what Tobi has done.

1. Obito talks to Zetsu like he is in charge. He told Zetsu he didn't have the power to take on Naruto, so I would say he is the leader.

2. How do you know Zetsu and Madara didn't plan "The Moon's Eye Plan"? and then Zetsu told Obito?

3. I didn't say Zetsu was in control but if the question is why Obito, what other Uchilla was seperated from the main clan and would be mad about being left by Konoa buried alive.

How do you explain Obito's change of heart? He definitely did not seem angry as he was dying. There is no way Zetsu would make him agree to attack Konoha. And when Tobi fought Minato, he was most definitely an adult, yet Kakashi was still a child, and since Obito was the same age as Kakashi, there is no way that Obito grew that tall so quickly. Also, the improvement into such a powerful ninja seems incredibly unlikely. Who would have taught him, Zetsu?? Zetsu is not that great of a combat ninja, he would have had no way to improve so quickly. Also, where does Tobi show Zetsu-like appendages? Honestly, it's not Obito.

 

[Maunten]

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That quote does throw your theory into a mess, as well as the fact that we don't even know if Obito HAS a father to begin with. Like I said, Kishi isn't introducing a brand new character from a interlude of the manga where he doesn't even show up in. Also, the timeline barely fits, Obito's dad would have had to have been like 12 or 13 years old when Madara approached him, in which case there is no reason to use Obito's dad as particularly, any Uchiha would have sufficed. The motive hardly fits as well, it wasn't an attack on the leaf for revenge for his son, he would have attacked soley those responsible, not sent the fox on everyone. It's an interesting idea, but if it did turn out to be Obito's father, I would be pissed because it just doesn't make for a good story.

The qoute throws my theory into mess that's why it upset me, the timeline is not messed up though even if tobi is 13, madara unlocked his mangekyo at a young age, if tobi showed similar accomplishments madara would approach him.

 

[Deidera]

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Tobi is Uchiha Kagami (why?)
He chose the short name 'Tobi' in memorial or his sensei who died for him and his comrades sake in the war who was called 'Tobirama'
He and Danzo share the same ideas of peace in the world
He and Danzo collaborated that attack in the leaf 16 years ago who else but Anbu ,off course and a few people would know about the secret hideout through Hiruzen after all Hiruzen Kagami and Danzo were all comrades .
As we all know Danzo wanted to control the 9 tales and also become hokage of the leaf
but he needed help in doing this from somebody who could release the nine tales from Kushina and kill both Minato as his wife at the spot.
Unfortunately this failed because Kagami was unable to defeat Minato who he expected to finish off while Danzo takes control of the 9 tales and also because the 3rd hokage had arrived meaning the plan had backfired.
Kagami later betrayed Danzo.
too lazy to type
But do remember that I said Tobi is Kagami.

 

[Maunten]

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Edo Tensei brings you back in the state you were in prior to death, hence Nagato's white hair as an ET. If your missing a limb right before you die you are brought back with a missing limb. Since Izuna gave/lost his eyes, then supposedly went off to die in battle, it would make sense not to bring him back as an ET without his MS.

one epic theory man, I know it's not yours but +rep for allowing it to be broguht to my attention, I don't know if I can logically discard the tobi = obito's father theory, due to the kekkei genkai and the dates, but your theory is right up there for me feels pretty kishi style.


Maybe Tobi is obito's father as well as Setsuna Uchiha.

The death of his son pushed him over the edge and caused him to act alone (since his rebellion had initially failed, so he would have lost a lot of supporters, either to execution or to loss of faith) to crush the leaf.

 

[smitten]

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Kabuto told madara he brought him back when he was at his prime. If edo brings you back the way you were before your death, then how is it possible for madara. Another confusing thought would be kabuto bringing nagato back at a weakened state. Nagato's power alone brings an edge to the war. Bringing him back at his prime would be logical too. Right?

 

[Maunten]

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Kabuto told madara he brought him back when he was at his prime. If edo brings you back the way you were before your death, then how is it possible for madara. Another confusing thought would be kabuto bringing nagato back at a weakened state. Nagato's power alone brings an edge to the war. Bringing him back at his prime would be logical too. Right?

He said better than his prime, because of hashiramas cells and the fact that madara awakened the rinnegan shortly before his death, so his lifetime prime was weaker than his edo prime.

 

[lorul2]

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How do you explain Obito's change of heart? He definitely did not seem angry as he was dying. There is no way Zetsu would make him agree to attack Konoha. And when Tobi fought Minato, he was most definitely an adult, yet Kakashi was still a child, and since Obito was the same age as Kakashi, there is no way that Obito grew that tall so quickly. Also, the improvement into such a powerful ninja seems incredibly unlikely. Who would have taught him, Zetsu?? Zetsu is not that great of a combat ninja, he would have had no way to improve so quickly. Also, where does Tobi show Zetsu-like appendages? Honestly, it's not Obito.

I cant read peoples heart's all I can do is guess what their actions may mean. I explained before why Obito would have a possible grudge against the leaf. Tobi said " I want to become whole", " I am no one", these are quotes that would make sense from Obito after what he went through.

And when Tobi fought Minato, he was most definitely an adult, yet Kakashi was still a child, and since Obito was the same age as Kakashi, there is no way that Obito grew that tall so quickly.]

- how do you tell if someone is an adult by their size?

Jiriaya was 191.2 cm tall, Minato was 179.2 cm, and The Third was 163.1 cm, so the third was younger than Jiriaya and Minato?

BTW here is the Fourth trying to stab TOBI in the head he is clearly taller than TOBI.

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Also, the improvement into such a powerful ninja seems incredibly unlikely. Who would have taught him,

If you read or even watched the anime a 13 year old Obito was holding his own against two Iwagakure ninja's, besides what "advanced" skills was he showing when he fought Minato?

Also, where does Tobi show Zetsu-like appendages? Honestly, it's not Obito.

<SIGH>

Here in the first panel his hand is coming off!

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and here his arm is coming off.

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and here he put a new arm on.

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And just in case you don't know what an appendage is...

2. Biology A part or organ, such as an arm, leg, tail, or fin, that is joined to the axis or trunk of a body.

Like I said its just a theory, but you have yet to prove me wrong, and I 've proved just about all your statements aren't right.

Until Kishi answers this question I'm going with Obito.

 

[Orochimagus]

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Being a stepping stone to power like Obito was to Kakashi is not an important part of the plot. It just makes you fodder with no development. Izuna has not even said a SINGLE line in a DECADE. He also has no worth on Naruto's point of view. Since Naruto will unmask him, Tobi will be someone that affects Naruto.

 

[Orochimagus]

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On that Obito thing...He could have been manipulated by Madara/Zetsu to hate the village. We do not know how Rin died, but they could have blamed the leaf for it. Young people are easy to manipulate as shown with Sasuke.

 

[Sonin]

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I cant read peoples heart's all I can do is guess what their actions may mean. I explained before why Obito would have a possible grudge against the leaf. Tobi said " I want to become whole", " I am no one", these are quotes that would make sense from Obito after what he went through.



- how do you tell if someone is an adult by their size?

Jiriaya was 191.2 cm tall, Minato was 179.2 cm, and The Third was 163.1 cm, so the third was younger than Jiriaya and Minato?

BTW here is the Fourth trying to stab TOBI in the head he is clearly taller than TOBI.

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If you read or even watched the anime a 13 year old Obito was holding his own against two Iwagakure ninja's, besides what "advanced" skills was he showing when he fought Minato?




<SIGH>

Here in the first panel his hand is coming off!

You must be registered for see images

and here his arm is coming off.

You must be registered for see images

and here he put a new arm on.

You must be registered for see images

And just in case you don't know what an appendage is...

2. Biology A part or organ, such as an arm, leg, tail, or fin, that is joined to the axis or trunk of a body.

Like I said its just a theory, but you have yet to prove me wrong, and I 've proved just about all your statements aren't right.

Until Kishi answers this question I'm going with Obito.

Chronologically Obito is not supported. Not at all. Kakashi was 15 when Tobi attacked about 3 years after the Obito incident maybe less. Tobi by all means i doubt could have mastered Space time in 2 years and learned to control the Kyubi. Also gain 2 new sharingan because one was crushed the other given to kakashi.

How i know when it was, Kakashi was 27 when the manga officially started naruto is 12. He was born on that day. leaving Kakashi at 15. Obito died when Kakashi was 13 when he became a Jonin. Case closed.

 

[FizzyDrink]

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I cant read peoples heart's all I can do is guess what their actions may mean. I explained before why Obito would have a possible grudge against the leaf. Tobi said " I want to become whole", " I am no one", these are quotes that would make sense from Obito after what he went through.



- how do you tell if someone is an adult by their size?

Jiriaya was 191.2 cm tall, Minato was 179.2 cm, and The Third was 163.1 cm, so the third was younger than Jiriaya and Minato?

BTW here is the Fourth trying to stab TOBI in the head he is clearly taller than TOBI.

You must be registered for see images

If you read or even watched the anime a 13 year old Obito was holding his own against two Iwagakure ninja's, besides what "advanced" skills was he showing when he fought Minato?




<SIGH>

Here in the first panel his hand is coming off!

You must be registered for see images

and here his arm is coming off.

You must be registered for see images

and here he put a new arm on.

You must be registered for see images

And just in case you don't know what an appendage is...

2. Biology A part or organ, such as an arm, leg, tail, or fin, that is joined to the axis or trunk of a body.

Like I said its just a theory, but you have yet to prove me wrong, and I 've proved just about all your statements aren't right.

Until Kishi answers this question I'm going with Obito.

Only the first quote actually makes sense for Obito, otherwise he certainly knew who he was, well enough to trust his eye to Kakashi, and before that to be completely convinced in that protecting his teammates was the most important thing of all. Given that, I don't really see a reason for him to have changed his heart so quickly.

I was basing my size idea off of the fact that Obito and Kakashi were about the same size during the Gaiden. Seeing as during the attack Kakashi looked the same, one could guess that Obito would also have been about the same size, yet he was as tall as Minato, not over a head shorter as he should have been if he were Obito. That picture has Tobi with his whole body bent over and his head bent to the ground, he is not at his full height there.

An advanced skill I noticed when he fought Minato was his space time ninjutsu...also the fact that he went through all of the guards, controlled the Kyuubi...these are very advanced actions. Only Naruto and Sasuke have advanced that quickly in so short a time, but they were under the tuteledge of two incredible ninja, Orochimaru and Jiraya. There is NO way that they would have improved so much with Zetsu as a sensei.

And I will concede my point about the appendages, honestly though, that jab about the definition, really? That's low. Aim for a little maturity next time. Besides the appendage point, I don't see where you have proven me wrong.

 

[FizzyDrink]

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Being a stepping stone to power like Obito was to Kakashi is not an important part of the plot. It just makes you fodder with no development. Izuna has not even said a SINGLE line in a DECADE. He also has no worth on Naruto's point of view. Since Naruto will unmask him, Tobi will be someone that affects Naruto.

Izuna was important to the plot because he is a key figure in the developement of the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. He doesn't need a line, or developement. Think. We know he was incredibly powerful, on par with his brother. We know that he willingly gave up his eyes for his brother. So they could easily share a similar motive, and he is incredibly powerful, and we don't know what kind of MS techniques he has, so ghost mode is an easy possibility, and the rest is shrouded in mystery, just like Tobi himself. Someone we know too much about, such as Obito, can't be Tobi, it has to be someone who is notorious mysterious, like Izuna, or the Elder son, or Madara himself.

 

[cyco22]

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All right the theories about obito and shisui uchiha being tobi have got to be completely false. shisui was a teenager when the nine tails attack on the leaf occured as a result of tobi and on top of that obito was already dead! Izuna uchiha could be a possiblity if tobi were lying to sasuke at the time because we still don't know what happened to MADARA'S ORIGINAL EYES before the eternal MS he had his own pair, remember. Plus this wouldn't be the first time that tobi has lied about an occurance in the series, hiding his part in the nine tails attack on the leaf from sasuke. The only three possible choices of who tobi could be is: 1: the original uchiha, 2: a piece of madara's soul that broke off, possibly after the rinnegan awakened, or 3: Izuna isn't really dead at all, madara did seem to have some connection with tobi, possible coconspirators.

 

[0moi]

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That quote does throw your theory into a mess, as well as the fact that we don't even know if Obito HAS a father to begin with. Like I said, Kishi isn't introducing a brand new character from a interlude of the manga where he doesn't even show up in. Also, the timeline barely fits, Obito's dad would have had to have been like 12 or 13 years old when Madara approached him, in which case there is no reason to use Obito's dad as particularly, any Uchiha would have sufficed. The motive hardly fits as well, it wasn't an attack on the leaf for revenge for his son, he would have attacked soley those responsible, not sent the fox on everyone. It's an interesting idea, but if it did turn out to be Obito's father, I would be pissed because it just doesn't make for a good story.



Did you take into account the fact that Tobi was THERE to watch Sasuke beat Danzo? Which means Tobi definitely can't be Danzo?

Go read the earlier posts please, search 0moi if you have too. The Tobi that's present during the fight between Sasuke & Danzou, has the orange mask, that's Obito Uchiha.

The Tobi that fought Minato long ago, had the yellow mask, that was Danzou Shimura....​

 

[Aze]

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Go read the earlier posts please, search 0moi if you have too. The Tobi that's present during the fight between Sasuke & Danzou, has the orange mask, that's Obito Uchiha.

The Tobi that fought Minato long ago, had the yellow mask, that was Danzou Shimura....​

It was not Danzo...


Danzo was not that twisted.

Danzos prime priority was to protect Konoha at all costs.

Attacking it with 9 tails?Fighting Minato the 4th Hokage?

And Able to summon and controll Kurama with Sharingan?

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Your claims cost more than you can afford.


If Kishi "gave" 2 different persons = the same S/T technique = then Kishi = will make the technique look cheap/unoriginal = Tobi is have been one person the whole time = currently this is the most logical fact = thinking outside of it makes a person delussional.


Tiger stripe Tobi and Orange swirl mask Tobi = Have the same voice in the Anime. 100% fact you can hear it when you watch the episodes.

There is no way Kishi will explain this one "little detail" = the voice to seperate your alleged 2 different Tobis.

= That kind of thing will never happen.

Tobi is has been one person the whole time.

Kishi will not give the "best" S/T to two different persons.

and Danzo did not have S/T like Tobi has.

I bet this S/T is only unique to Tobi.


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[Everlasting Peace]

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It was not Danzo...


Danzo was not that twisted.

Danzos prime priority was to protect Konoha at all costs.

Attacking it with 9 tails?Fighting Minato the 4th Hokage?

And Able to summon and controll Kurama with Sharingan?

_________________________________________________________________


Your claims cost more than you can afford.


If Kishi "gave" 2 different persons = the same S/T technique = then Kishi = will make the technique look cheap/unoriginal = Tobi is have been one person the whole time = currently this is the most logical fact = thinking outside of it makes a person delussional.


Tiger stripe Tobi and Orange swirl mask Tobi = Have the same voice in the Anime. 100% fact you can hear it when you watch the episodes.

There is no way Kishi will explain this one "little detail" = the voice to seperate your alleged 2 different Tobis.

= That kind of thing will never happen.

Tobi is has been one person the whole time.

Kishi will not give the "best" S/T to two different persons.

and Danzo did not have S/T like Tobi has.

I bet this S/T is only unique to Tobi.


Pure Logic.
Pure Logic.
Pure Logic.
Pure Logic.
Pure Logic.
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You could of simply destroyed him with less words by this.

When you see the 9 tails loose, and minato fighting and doing his thing. You see Danzo underground with root talking to them saying just be still or something of that sort, you probably can easily find it around manga 500.

So pretty sure Danzo can not be talking to root and be in an orange mask fighting minato up above.