Horrible humans - we're all the same, or are we?

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I've been thinking about this for years now and haven't come up with a good answer yet.

Horrible things happen and have happened all around the world throughout the history. People do sick, immoral stuff due to their superiors (dictators & tyrants) commanding them to do so, or some war/qonquest journey giving them the possibility to act like savages and focus their anger on innocent people, thinking that they will get away from it 'cause the situation was exceptional.

Examples:

-Nazi's, they persecuted and slaughtered millions of jews just because their commander: Hitler and the party that had risen to power decided that jews were bad. They put them in gas chambers and in ovens alive and murdered them.

-Soldiers and agents under Stalin's command who excecuted and murdered about two million innocent russian based on made up accusations in the name of communism. These were called the "purifyings". Stalin wanted to show he was in power. He was also a sadist, and the soldiers obeyed.
It was straight madness.

-Americans who dropped atom bombs to Hiroshima and Nagasaki during WWII. Hundreds of thousand of innocent men, women and children died/were burned to death.

-Nankin Massacre: was a mass murder, and war rape that occurred during the six-week period following the Japanese capture of the city Nanking, the former capital of the Republic of China, on December 13, 1937 during the Second Sino-Japanese War.
Historians and witnesses have estimated that 250,000 to 300,000 people were killed. 20, 000 women raped. Don't read the spoiler if you are sensitive.
The International Military Tribunal for the Far East estimated that 20,000 women were raped, including infants and the elderly.[40] A large portion of these rapes were systematized in a process where soldiers would search door-to-door for young girls, with many women taken captive and gang raped.[41] The women were often killed immediately after being raped, often through explicit mutilation[42] or by stabbing a bayonet, long stick of bamboo,[43] or other objects into the vagina. Young children were not exempt from these atrocities, and were cut open to allow Japanese soldiers to rape them.

-Rwanda genocide: almost 1 000 000 murdered just because they represented an ethnic group: the tutsi's who were the majority. Pregnant women killed and their unborn childs butchered.

What connects these all is that they were all done by humans, from different nationalities. Same as you and me. They just grew up in a time and place where war was inevitable, and not obeying the dictators orders was not an option.

My question is:
While people look back in history and disaprove such horrible actions, is it really that we just think we wouldn't do such stuff because we think we're different, but in the end if we were to put in the same situation, filled with hate and frustration 'caused by war, we would do the same horrible things? After all we're all the same...
 
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Only cause they have free will to do wat ever they want. But in reality, there destiny is already decided. The only way they can cme to realize the truth is if they have faith in God.
 

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I wouldn't do those horrific things so....
^this, and I guess human beings always try to find excuses to every crime they do, for example when soldiers rape women in war their excuse is "we want ppl from our blood to grow up in this land and later reign there" it's so unbelievable :sy:, they are so unforgivable
 

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In my opinion, we have a different mindset from something because of the fact that we couldn't put ourselves in that situation or because it's frowned upon society (Like the 4th dimension or slavery). Nowadays if you asked someone if they'd have slaves, hopefully they'd say no. But back when slavery wasn't deemed as bad people thought it wasn't bad to have slaves.

I guess it's because of human nature :rolleyes:. We have a tendency to want to fit in somewhere or be with a group of people we look up to or we can relate to. So people tend to put on fake personalities to be accepted in said groups. Now say for example, that group of people wanted to cut school. At first you're a bit hesitant, but if all your friends are doing it, then maybe you'd reconsider and cut school with them so you don't get judged or left behind by your friends.

So relating to what you're saying, people do things like genocide and rape because that's what per say everyone else is doing. They don't deem it as unfit because it's not frowned upon and some people that they know and respect do it, so what's so bad about it? Meanwhile in the future, we look back and wonder how people could go through with raping children or the elderly. It's kind of something like "staying in style" as bad as that might sound.

I'm repeating myself a bit xD hope I conveyed my opinions well.
 

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I've been thinking about this for years now and haven't come up with a good answer yet.

Horrible things happen and have happened all around the world throughout the history. People do sick, immoral stuff due to their superiors (dictators & tyrants) commanding them to do so, or some war/qonquest journey giving them the possibility to act like savages and focus their anger on innocent people, thinking that they will get away from it 'cause the situation was exceptional.

Examples:

-Nazi's, they persecuted and slaughtered millions of jews just because their commander: Hitler and the party that had risen to power decided that jews were bad. They put them in gas chambers and in ovens alive and murdered them.

-Soldiers and agents under Stalin's command who excecuted and murdered about two million innocent russian based on made up accusations in the name of communism. These were called the "purifyings". Stalin wanted to show he was in power. He was also a sadist, and the soldiers obeyed.
It was straight madness.

-Americans who dropped atom bombs to Hiroshima and Nagasaki during WWII. Millions of innocent men, women and children died/were burned to death.

-Nankin Massacre: was a mass murder, and war rape that occurred during the six-week period following the Japanese capture of the city Nanking, the former capital of the Republic of China, on December 13, 1937 during the Second Sino-Japanese War.
Historians and witnesses have estimated that 250,000 to 300,000 people were killed. 20, 000 women raped. Don't read the spoiler if you are sensitive.
The International Military Tribunal for the Far East estimated that 20,000 women were raped, including infants and the elderly.[40] A large portion of these rapes were systematized in a process where soldiers would search door-to-door for young girls, with many women taken captive and gang raped.[41] The women were often killed immediately after being raped, often through explicit mutilation[42] or by stabbing a bayonet, long stick of bamboo,[43] or other objects into the vagina. Young children were not exempt from these atrocities, and were cut open to allow Japanese soldiers to rape them.

-Rwanda genocide: almost 1 000 000 murdered just because they represented an ethnic group: the tutsi's who were the majority. Pregnant women killed and their unborn childs butchered.

What connects these all is that they were all done by humans, from different nationalities. Same as you and me. They just grew up in a time and place where war was inevitable, and not obeying the dictators orders was not an option.

My question is:
Is it really that we just think we wouldn't do such stuff because we think we're different, but in the end if we were to put in the same situation, filled with hate and frustration 'caused by war, we would do the same horrible things? After all we're all the same...
why you didnt menthion what jews done to palestine
 
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"We Are All The Same," is a maybe for me. I agree, I guess. If somehow we are put in the same situation or psychological conditions, than we might do the same thing which we do not consider ethical or fit to our morals.
 

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We're talking about 'if's here, so yes, if we grew up in that kind of environment etc. we probably would, but as we haven't and were to be put there as we are today, things would look different, besides, it isn't as if everyone living there develop such a malicious nature.
 

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In my opinion, we have a different mindset from something because of the fact that we couldn't put ourselves in that situation or because it's frowned upon society (Like the 4th dimension or slavery). Nowadays if you asked someone if they'd have slaves, hopefully they'd say no. But back when slavery wasn't deemed as bad people thought it wasn't bad to have slaves.

I guess it's because of human nature :rolleyes:. We have a tendency to want to fit in somewhere or be with a group of people we look up to or we can relate to. So people tend to put on fake personalities to be accepted in said groups. Now say for example, that group of people wanted to cut school. At first you're a bit hesitant, but if all your friends are doing it, then maybe you'd reconsider and cut school with them so you don't get judged or left behind by your friends.

So relating to what you're saying, people do things like genocide and rape because that's what per say everyone else is doing. They don't deem it as unfit because it's not frowned upon and some people that they know and respect do it, so what's so bad about it? Meanwhile in the future, we look back and wonder how people could go through with raping children or the elderly. It's kind of something like "staying in style" as bad as that might sound.

I'm repeating myself a bit xD hope I conveyed my opinions well.
This was a very good answer. I would hope it's not true but I'm afraid it goes something like that...That's just shameful..
 

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We're talking about 'if's here, so yes, if we grew up in that kind of environment etc. we probably would, but as we haven't and were to be put there as we are today, things would look different, besides, it isn't as if everyone living there develop such a malicious nature.
But the majority did those horrible things..majorities of those who were in power.
 

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This was a very good answer. I would hope it's not true but I'm afraid it goes something like that...That's just shameful..
It may not be the best thing to say, but humans aren't good at all. In fact, they're the worst thing that has represented this planet in my opinion.

Think about it, name 3 things we did to help this planet that we didn't cause in the first place, or that wasn't for our own benefit? I personally can't think of one.
 

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The war would've continued if not for the atom bombs. Many more Americans and Japanese people would have died. But I agree with you for the most part. For the most part humanity is bad. If given permission most people would do horrible things.
 

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cause the reason 1 evil charisma person steps up while others follow in line? so whos the fool? the one whos leading or the fool following him
 

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why you didnt menthion what jews done to palestine
+rep I swear I was gonna ask the same question! :uruhara:
What are you talking about? Something that palestinians haven't done to jews?

Also I can't mention all the horrible things that have happened in the world throughout the history..it would take ages for me to write that.
 

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I wouldnt say we are all the same they are always some exeptions and that its good that way ,because of that humanity still has a chance.
But I didnt know about that Nankin Massacre very disturbing stuff.
 

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It isn't that people that get power do terrible things. It is terrible people who have the ability to gain power. In order to be a leader you have to be tenacious, unwavering, confident, ect. People who have a vision that they don't give up on are those that rise to leadership. It just so happens that those who are on the darker side of the coin have these attributes most of the time. When people decide to do horrible things, it isn't evil to them. To themselves, they are the good guy. They just have twisted morals. SOME people are like this. Now sometimes bad things must be done for the greater good. The greater good will be in the perspective of the faction acting. Group A might kill people of Group B if it means saving lives of people in Group A. It is sad that peace can't be brought from violence by acting in non violent ways, but that is just how it is. The strongest always prevail. Whether it is morally justified should fall into whether it was for self defense or personal gain. That is where people draw their line. If they think it is morally right, they will commit horrid acts for their greater good.

You can look back into history and claim that all the human race does is kill and destroy. That is just looking at the negative though. Yes, there have been many instances of destruction due to war or other things, but there are longer periods of no such things happening. People focus on the negative because that is what stands out. It is abnormal, with the normal being absence of violence in the world. That is why the bad is focused on. People always give greater attention and value to the uncommon.
 

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I've been thinking about this for years now and haven't come up with a good answer yet.

Horrible things happen and have happened all around the world throughout the history. People do sick, immoral stuff due to their superiors (dictators & tyrants) commanding them to do so, or some war/qonquest journey giving them the possibility to act like savages and focus their anger on innocent people, thinking that they will get away from it 'cause the situation was exceptional.

Examples:

-Nazi's, they persecuted and slaughtered millions of jews just because their commander: Hitler and the party that had risen to power decided that jews were bad. They put them in gas chambers and in ovens alive and murdered them.

-Soldiers and agents under Stalin's command who excecuted and murdered about two million innocent russian based on made up accusations in the name of communism. These were called the "purifyings". Stalin wanted to show he was in power. He was also a sadist, and the soldiers obeyed.
It was straight madness.

Americans who dropped atom bombs to Hiroshima and Nagasaki during WWII. Millions of innocent men, women and children died/were burned to death.

-Nankin Massacre: was a mass murder, and war rape that occurred during the six-week period following the Japanese capture of the city Nanking, the former capital of the Republic of China, on December 13, 1937 during the Second Sino-Japanese War.
Historians and witnesses have estimated that 250,000 to 300,000 people were killed. 20, 000 women raped. Don't read the spoiler if you are sensitive.
The International Military Tribunal for the Far East estimated that 20,000 women were raped, including infants and the elderly.[40] A large portion of these rapes were systematized in a process where soldiers would search door-to-door for young girls, with many women taken captive and gang raped.[41] The women were often killed immediately after being raped, often through explicit mutilation[42] or by stabbing a bayonet, long stick of bamboo,[43] or other objects into the vagina. Young children were not exempt from these atrocities, and were cut open to allow Japanese soldiers to rape them.

-Rwanda genocide: almost 1 000 000 murdered just because they represented an ethnic group: the tutsi's who were the majority. Pregnant women killed and their unborn childs butchered.

What connects these all is that they were all done by humans, from different nationalities. Same as you and me. They just grew up in a time and place where war was inevitable, and not obeying the dictators orders was not an option.

My question is:
While people look back in history and disaprove such horrible actions, is it really that we just think we wouldn't do such stuff because we think we're different, but in the end if we were to put in the same situation, filled with hate and frustration 'caused by war, we would do the same horrible things? After all we're all the same...

not to trivialize the bombings in Japan but that number is exceedingly inaccurate.
 
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