Are you serious with your assumption that Deidara is the strongest of the Akatsuki? No he isn't. Itachi is way stronger, just as Pain. And I don't think he can defeat Kisame or Sasori. Here Deidara already admitted to be inferior to Sasori, didn't he? After even Sasuke defeated him, it's a shame to further discuss.
Deidara is the strongest akatsuki member
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Hmm, how exactly..he's smarter, faster, has more experience, has a better usage of weapons and Taijutsu and uses Genjutsus stronger than Sasukes. Not mentioned he uses the Mangekyou Sharingan, Sasuke didn't have when he fought Deidara. So actually Itachi takes Deidara down with ease. In their first confrontation mere Genjutsus were enough and I don't think Deidara has improved so much to keep up with Itachis full potential. Deidara is strong, but Itachi is clearly out of his league.
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Plz sasuke out of this, he is irrelevant to the topic. Itachi smarter and genjutsu master, that's the only advantage I would give him, as their weapons are different and speed is exceeded differently.
The first incident between them was before Deidara invented his scope and C4
You can compare Sasuke to Itachi well because they have similar abilities, just Itachis are quite better. You see only one side when talking about C4 Karura, Amaterasu is way faster in its usage. And you can't tell me Deidara would escape from the Sharingans sight in order to not being hit by it, even Kakashi managed to keep up with Deidara with his unimproved Kamui, and Amaterasu ist cast instant.
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NOW their styles are similar, but not during the time is this fight and only sasuke possess lighting release, which is Deiadara's weakness. Also, again you mention a situation in where Deidara (as we all) had no clue of kamui and at the distance why would he? Amaterasu hits whatever the eye follows, as sasuke outran it for a short time and Deiadara's bird's have greater speed than Sasuke. Nometheless, Deidara's bird's would be the ones taking the damage of amaterasu as theyre huge and cover him. Lastly, C4 doesn't need to be fast, once it exploits it releases into the air and into the lungs
Yeah, now they're similar, but at the time of Sasukes and Deidaras time, Itachis abilities were better, even the Mangekyou Sharingan not included. Both are using the Sharingan, but Itachi on a higher level, Itachi is faster than Sasuke, he's more experienced and way smarter, means he's able to analyse the situation immediately and create a reasonable plan.
Sasuke outran Amaterasu, but actually this was a whole fake fight where Itachi intended to reach his limit as fast as it was possible. Amaterasus effect is known, everywhere in the sight of the Mangekyou user arises in those flames, not only it's hardly possible to escape from a humans sight, the Sharingan can follow your movements. And here, Kakashi is the best example. While Amaterasu is cast instant, you have to aim at the target with Kamui until it has absorbed it, and we're talking about Kamui in its initial stage, which wasn't even fast. In plain english, if you can't really escape from the Sharingans sight, you can't avoid Amaterasu. At this point it doesn't even matter whether Amaterasu hits the bird or Deidara himself. Once Amaterasu is cast on the bird, it gets covered by it completely, whereby Deidara get in touch with it anyway.
2. Although Deidara trained his eye, he yet got caught by a Genjutsu again in the end:
And while Sasukes Genjutsu value is 4 according to the databook, Itachi has the full score and can use a perfect Tsukuyomi, which cannot be avoided by Deidara.
Even Susanoos activation is faster than Deidaras bird he has to build first. So actually Itachi can crush Deidara with Susanoo before he have built hi bird.
Itachi has definitely the better cards here. He can even cast an illusion on Deidara while he's flying far above, since he can give his crows the Sharingan in order to cast an illusion on his opponent through them.
Sasuke outran Amaterasu, but actually this was a whole fake fight where Itachi intended to reach his limit as fast as it was possible. Amaterasus effect is known, everywhere in the sight of the Mangekyou user arises in those flames, not only it's hardly possible to escape from a humans sight, the Sharingan can follow your movements. And here, Kakashi is the best example. While Amaterasu is cast instant, you have to aim at the target with Kamui until it has absorbed it, and we're talking about Kamui in its initial stage, which wasn't even fast. In plain english, if you can't really escape from the Sharingans sight, you can't avoid Amaterasu. At this point it doesn't even matter whether Amaterasu hits the bird or Deidara himself. Once Amaterasu is cast on the bird, it gets covered by it completely, whereby Deidara get in touch with it anyway.
2. Although Deidara trained his eye, he yet got caught by a Genjutsu again in the end:
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And while Sasukes Genjutsu value is 4 according to the databook, Itachi has the full score and can use a perfect Tsukuyomi, which cannot be avoided by Deidara.
Even Susanoos activation is faster than Deidaras bird he has to build first. So actually Itachi can crush Deidara with Susanoo before he have built hi bird.
Itachi has definitely the better cards here. He can even cast an illusion on Deidara while he's flying far above, since he can give his crows the Sharingan in order to cast an illusion on his opponent through them.
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^He wasn't caught in a genjutsu, if you read the next page of the link you just posted, it shows how that actually wasn't a genjutsu, and he was just caught off guard because it surprised him that Sasuke survived his c4
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Yes, Itachi's abilities were probably superior at that time but Sasuke was more suitable to the fight. The most important aspect in every fight is the match-up itself. While Itachi may have wanted Sasuke to surpass him, he didnt hand the fight over to him, that's pure assumption in Itach's favor in means of him holding back.
Nonetheless, the ability for sharingan to follow ones movement is very accurate, epsecially if one starts off remaining still. For example, against A he was standing still but with his great speed was able to avoid it regardless. Now, to activate Amaterasu, one not only has to close their eye, but needs to lock onto the target. This wouldnt be an easy task, especially for someone who moves around constantly in a number of directions. However is he is caught a bird this size...
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wouldnt burn instantly, giving him more then enough time to flee and even counter with
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Now, as far as genjutsu i agree its give or take, thru he can avoid obvious uses, which would be how Itachi starts off his fights, idk about the ones in mid of battle, but Tsukuyomi is determined my distance.
A activated his Raiton no Yoroi level 2 and was thus able to escape from Sasukes sight - He wasn't able to follow his movements any more, but yet he did it to his Raiton no Yoroi level 1, when he dodged his attack and hit him with his Chidori. And I don't think Deidara is faster. Deidaras bird in this case would be an even better target because of its size. And Amaterasu doesn't even have to spread on his target, it is automatically cast on the targets size, like it was by the Hachibi who got hit by a Flame of his size.
And above, once Amaterasu ist cast on the bird, I don't think Deidara will be able to be on the bird while it's burning complete. Secondly, yes, Amaterasus activation need a closet eye (actually Sasukes activation on Tobi didn't need it) but till arises where the Sharingan looks at. And once Amaterasu is actiated, it is enough to simply look at the target in order to hit it. Thirdly, it doesn't matter how do you move, whether constantly or otherwise. You for example would nevertheless be able to follow your opponents movements, since the eyes reaction is way faster than any of the humans moves, especially the Sharingan who can follow movements even better. Only the Raikage managed to avoid Amaterasu actually, because he was able to escape from Sasukes sight by using the Raiton no Yoroi lv. 2 combines with his Shunshin no Jutsu.
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An Amaterasu flame as huge as its target.And above, once Amaterasu ist cast on the bird, I don't think Deidara will be able to be on the bird while it's burning complete. Secondly, yes, Amaterasus activation need a closet eye (actually Sasukes activation on Tobi didn't need it) but till arises where the Sharingan looks at. And once Amaterasu is actiated, it is enough to simply look at the target in order to hit it. Thirdly, it doesn't matter how do you move, whether constantly or otherwise. You for example would nevertheless be able to follow your opponents movements, since the eyes reaction is way faster than any of the humans moves, especially the Sharingan who can follow movements even better. Only the Raikage managed to avoid Amaterasu actually, because he was able to escape from Sasukes sight by using the Raiton no Yoroi lv. 2 combines with his Shunshin no Jutsu.
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circumstance. and he wasnt destroyed. he chose to kill himself when both were out of chakra as it was. sasuke happened to be pretty much the only shinobi who could counter the C4 nanobombs via chidori nagashi.
doesnt work like that. itachi lacks lightning release so he gets disintegrated.
looks like im gonna have to explain this to everyone. circumstance. and he wasnt beaten easily. he chose to kill himself when both were out of chakra as it was. sasuke happened to be pretty much the only shinobi who could counter the C4 nanobombs via chidori nagashi.
by what? susano will not stop nanobombs
only from the front of the susano. everywhere else is vulnerable
that was many years ago. itachi got weaker. deidara got stronger
deidara killed himself. and itachi lacks lightning element
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raningun cant be beaten by detonating clay
and well itachi he is as strong as they get in Uchiha
and his mighty susano will destroy deidera no tym
and well itachi he is as strong as they get in Uchiha
and his mighty susano will destroy deidera no tym
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he didnt. he saw through it via left eye.
rofl. so because sasori lost to chiyo and sakura he must therefore be below people who chiyo and sakura cant beat, like gated lee? hell no. sasukes deidaras worst matchup, only. not naturally stronger and superior.
sasuke was the ONLY shinobi in the world who could have survived that attack.
several years ago when itachi was stronger and deidara was younger and weaker. hes 19 when he dies.
and oros powers. and raiton element. and manda
kakashi can own just about anyone with his broken MS
admitting someone is probably stronger than you are is not being afraid of that person. he constantly argued with sasori and insulted him
doesnt mean theres no possible way for him to defeat sasori
i hate this logic. so hashirama was not that strong? sage of six paths? madara
a sharingan owned oro too. your point? deidara is pretty much the opposite of what it means to be weak. hes insane. sasuke was just the worst matchup for him
itachi was alot younger/stronger and diedara was alot younger and weaker. stop using that fight as proof of anything
sasuke had raiton. thats the only reason he survived
by your logic sasuke can beat naruto now because he did it at VOTE
again because sasuke is his perfect counter, not because hes actually inferior to people who that sasuke cannot beat
no. it was a sparring session and deidara was trying to be recruited, not killed.
sasukes just as smart as itachi. and itachi has no raiton to notice that the bombs can be defeated somehow
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