Hashirama vs Itachi and Sasuke

[narutownsyouall]

I doubt EMS Madara > MS Itachi and EMS Sasuke together.

first of all that is a huge difference in abilities.

Second. this is Hashirama not Madara.

 

[TobisPawn]

first of all that is a huge difference in abilities.

Second. this is Hashirama not Madara.

I was just clarifying something. And no, EMS Madara can't be that much better than either Itachi or Sasuke.

And if EMS Madara with Kurama stolen from him is barely < Hashirama, why wouldn't Itachi w/Tsukuyomi and Spiritual weapons and Sasuke w/Blaze Release be > than Hashirama?

 

[Joki]

I was just clarifying something. And no, EMS Madara can't be that much better than either Itachi or Sasuke.

And if EMS Madara with Kurama stolen from him is barely < Hashirama, why wouldn't Itachi w/Tsukuyomi and Spiritual weapons and Sasuke w/Blaze Release be > than Hashirama?

Because Kurama is the nine-tailed beast, the one who craps on the others in terms of power and whose non-charged bijuu dama launched in a second flat dwarf villages. Actually, a bijuu dama launched by KN4 managed to decimate a forest, KN6 did the same to Konoha and made the Hokage faces look like dots.

I don't see EMS Madara(without the ability to control him of course), Itachi, or Sasuke being able to do much of anything to Kurama before they're obliterated. Hashirama here, well he managed to beat Kurama along with EMS Madara at the same time.

When I said EMS Madara crapped on Sasuke and Itachi I meant as singles. Sasuke is practically "Itachi+Sasuke" at this point though, Madara could beat either of them and put up a fight against both of them if not win. He was the top of the top, the one who rivaled this beast Hashirama, he's the 'most powerful Uchiha', I wouldn't put it past him to be able to beat Itachi and Sasuke at once but he's there. With the EMS which is obviously superior to the MS and all giving testament to his power.

So put EMS Madara who already as single characters beats both Itachi and Sasuke, and Kurama who could easily do the same on a team and Hashirama still managed to beat them both. It's a bit of ABC logic though, but Hashirama's techniques are much too hax for Itachi/Sasuke atm.

He simply wraps a gigantic forest around them and puts his sleep-blossoms within it, Sasuke and Itachi go unconscious and that's the end of that.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Itachi-san was referring to the 'real' uchiha madara tht time. Dn't you see madara's face at the bottom of the manga page?

"san"? since when are you japanese? he was referring to tobi who he thinks is real madara and only going off what tobis told him about himself.

would kill sauske through his fuinjutsu's alone

yes because someone who isnt minato has shown uzumaki fuinjutsu...wait..wait no...no he hasnt!

s its not like sasuek has never lost to anyone in his generation. Back in part 1, he almost got ripped to shreds by gaara if wasn't for naruto protecting him nd entering his kyubi state

that was part 1 and pre curse seal. i dont see CS sasuke in part 1 losing to any current rookie besides shikamaru and sakura.

As stated before, sasuke is well overrated for his age compared to madara. Madara awakened his ems like in his 20s

kakashis in his 30s in part 2 yet looks pretty youthful.

He would eventually use up all his abilities in short span of time.

we all know sasuke's redemption will include him returning to konoha.

You think just because the manga didn;t mention it, it would be safe to assume?

yes. because unlike hashirama fanboys i go by what a shinobi has actually done onscreen

If there is any site you think is genuine in providing facts about naruto, mention it.

mangareader.

He made this statement due to the amount of strain he got on his body

no he has no strain as an edo. otherwise 5 kages at once would be TRULY "too much".

If sauske was in madara's situation he would be dead by now.

if sasuke were in madara's position he would not have fought like that. he'd go to chidori spear right away to push away the rasenshuriken or summon a hawk to escape it. he most likely would have gone amaterasu shuriken spam on the lot of them right after entering susano. madara lacks long range versatility in EMS

Madara is supposedly sasuke's role model

no itachi is and possibly juubi. juubi is the hatred vs rikudo's peace. same with naruto peace vs sasuke hatred.

There is a reason why kishi made madara nd sauske the only ones to awaken the ems. In order for sasuke to eventually surpass him

sasuke has a bigger parallel than madara. and thats either elder son or juubi. sasukes power is controlled by how much hate he has whereas madaras power is controlled by how much kabuto gives him.

Partly wrong, madara acquired a portion of hashirama's DNA during their confrontation in order to use wood release.

exactly so he probably has almost all of it NOW. but back then it probably wasnt even enough to use wood release to a great extent. tobi claims to have it but we've seen no wood release from him.

His rinnegan abilities are exceptionally good

we havent seen him use it with proper skill like nagato would

More like susano arrow nd amaterasu shurikens vs susano blades, yasaka magatama, as well as some rinnegan techs like fujutsu kyuin nd tenjiku etc. By the way madara also has the "ability to spam susano without getting tired or blind."

i never said he didnt. anyway this is pointless because madaras not in this fight

Do you not take in the fact that Fire style will not do much considering that Hashirama has soiton?

scans?

Amatarasu only burns what it was focused on so it is not going to help much

sasuke burned a ten story bijuu and itachi burned a whole forest.

considering he is the only one who has ever done it

doesnt mean hes the only one who can attempt it.

He was sick for the most of the series.

proof?

EMS beats MS in every way

if thats so then why does everyone insist itachi > sasuke?

Hashirama beat Madara and Kurama

we dont know how or what actually happened. it could all just be pure luck. or it didnt happen the way people say it did like minato's infamous "tobi saw through everything i did"

I doubt if the Uchiha Bros can handle Kabuto, they will ever be able to handle Hashirama

they are handling kabuto with izanami

Hashirama found a way to separate Sasuke from Itachi, and take care of them 1 by 1.

easier said than done and he will be facing a fight on two fronts if he does that. attacked from front and behind

Hashirama is VERY experienced against Uchiha

so was danzo

Unbelievable defensive technique

more unbelievable than sasukes enton + susano and itachi's totsuka + yata?

chakra enhanced forests that casually dwarf meteors

scans of hashirama doing this?

Hashirama already beat EMS Madara who casually shits on Itachi and Sasuke

1. we dont know how or what precisely happened. was it luck? did hashirama have help? did kurama turn on his enslaver once freed from madara? in which case it was actually madara vs kurama hashirama mito and the village.
and since when can madara alone take on even sasuke let alone both uchiha bros? as i said madaras ems feats suck.

Kurama was also against him. You know, the nine-tailed beast whose bijuu dama easily dwarf mountains?

so minatos stronger than kurama because he removed him from tobis control? dont be so quick to think hashirama physically took the thing on.

Hashirama here, well he managed to beat Kurama

no he didnt. he freed it from madara's control and took him over with hokage style 60 year old seal, and his necklace. this is not proof of power. he just happened to uniquely be able to suppress a bijuu. useless in a fight with humans. gaara controlling sand does not make him stronger than someone who doesnt.

Madara could beat either of them

no he cant

was the top of the top, the one who rivaled this beast Hashirama, he's the 'most powerful Uchiha',

was. all this is past tense. ems madaras time has long passed. new uchihas are the strongest ones now.

With the EMS which is obviously superior to the MS and all giving testament to his power.

effectively itachi does have EMS right now as an edo tensei.

He simply wraps a gigantic forest around them

sasuke burns it to a crisp with amaterasu sword and great dragon fire. dragon fire if you remember was so hot it scorched the sky enough for kirin to come raining down on itachis face. itachi slices through the flower forest with totsuka swords incredible reach and power. totsuka hits hashirama and seals him and thats the end of that.

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

"san"? since when are you japanese? he was referring to tobi who he thinks is real madara and only going off what tobis told him about himself.

I am japanese nd my name is omiya. No, if he was talking bout tobi then why was madara's face shown at the bottom of the manga page? Do you think kishi is stupid along with itachi?

yes because someone who isnt minato has shown uzumaki fuinjutsu...wait..wait no...no he hasnt!

Hashirama also speacialized in fuinjutsu as well as mokuton. This was one of the reasons how he managed to beat madara. Pretty much most of the hokage if not all were speacialized in fuinjutsu.

that was part 1 and pre curse seal. i dont see CS sasuke in part 1 losing to any current rookie besides shikamaru and sakura.

He still had a chance against gaara cause lightning(chidori) beats earth(sand).The reason why he didn't face anyone during his CS mode was cause he ran away to tast orochimaru's balls xd This was the whole point of his CS.

kakashis in his 30s in part 2 yet looks pretty youthful.

Yes i know bout kakashi but are you trying to say madara wasn't youthful in his 30s?

we all know sasuke's redemption will include him returning to konoha.

Oh do you, i still dn't see how returning to konoha will bring back his abilities if or when he loses them or somehow he himslef gets eradicated?

yes. because unlike hashirama fanboys i go by what a shinobi has actually done onscreen

Well, i can't say anything more to you bout madara's kenjustu until the chapter gets animated. Only then we will see.

mangareader.

Even i know tht, nd narutobase is almost the sme. I was expecting you to show me something different like maybe something containing the data books?

if sasuke were in madara's position he would not have fought like that. he'd go to chidori spear right away to push away the rasenshuriken or summon a hawk to escape it. he most likely would have gone amaterasu shuriken spam on the lot of them right after entering susano. madara lacks long range versatility in EMS

Depending on the time madara had to dodge the rasenshuriken, he only had enough time to absorb. Sauske has no tech tht absorbs chakra, plus chidori would be useless cause wind stronger than lightning. Therefore sasuke would get mangled jst like kakuzu. Nd FYI, madara is also skillful in long range, as demonstrated through yasaka no magatama nd tenjiku as well as some katon.

no itachi is and possibly juubi. juubi is the hatred vs rikudo's peace. same with naruto peace vs sasuke hatred.

No itachi isn't cause he has different ideals to him as sasuke already mentioned a few times in the manga nd once in the anime ep.142. Plus sasuke doesn;t even no much bout juubi?

no he has no strain as an edo. otherwise 5 kages at once would be TRULY "too much".

I can't say much bout the edo tensei cause i dn't know much bout it but he certainly wasn't saying "too much" to express his concern or how much effort he'll have to put to defeat them. If he had enough of fighting at that moment, then why does he continue to 'play' with the kage now? It wouldn't make sense. Noticing your message i see tht you also agree here.

exactly so he probably has almost all of it NOW. but back then it probably wasnt even enough to use wood release to a great extent. tobi claims to have it but we've seen no wood release from him.

Yah, he has a great amount right now. Tobi has had senju dna integrated into him just like danzo. Danzo was also able to use mokuton but did not cause performing it took a significant toll on his chakra. This was possibly the sme case for tobi nd so even he can only use mokuton but when necessary.

we havent seen him use it with proper skill like nagato would

Thats cause he's not nagato or SO6P who had the rinnegan frm the beginning. Nd like i stated before madara is lacking the paths.

i never said he didnt. anyway this is pointless because madaras not in this fight

Yah, but you suggested this. Exactly, madara is not in this fight but even if he was, sauske would get totally pwned!

 

[Combat]

Sasuke & Itachi

 

[asad70ful]

You have got to remeber that Hashirama has spent practically his whole life fighting the Uchiha up until they started the villige. If anyone has exp. fighting the sharingan or even the ems it would be Hashirama. He was no slouch in the genjustu department either.

this ,i agree to u

 

[Chime]

Until we see what Hashirama is actually capable of... the Uchiha.

 

[blazekev90]

1st Hokage would completely overwhelm them, he wins moderate difficulty.

 

[Joki]

"san"? since when are you japanese? he was referring to tobi who he thinks is real madara and only going off what tobis told him about himself.

yes because someone who isnt minato has shown uzumaki fuinjutsu...wait..wait no...no he hasnt!

that was part 1 and pre curse seal. i dont see CS sasuke in part 1 losing to any current rookie besides shikamaru and sakura.

kakashis in his 30s in part 2 yet looks pretty youthful.

we all know sasuke's redemption will include him returning to konoha.

yes. because unlike hashirama fanboys i go by what a shinobi has actually done onscreen

mangareader.

no he has no strain as an edo. otherwise 5 kages at once would be TRULY "too much".

if sasuke were in madara's position he would not have fought like that. he'd go to chidori spear right away to push away the rasenshuriken or summon a hawk to escape it. he most likely would have gone amaterasu shuriken spam on the lot of them right after entering susano. madara lacks long range versatility in EMS

no itachi is and possibly juubi. juubi is the hatred vs rikudo's peace. same with naruto peace vs sasuke hatred.

sasuke has a bigger parallel than madara. and thats either elder son or juubi. sasukes power is controlled by how much hate he has whereas madaras power is controlled by how much kabuto gives him.

exactly so he probably has almost all of it NOW. but back then it probably wasnt even enough to use wood release to a great extent. tobi claims to have it but we've seen no wood release from him.

we havent seen him use it with proper skill like nagato would

i never said he didnt. anyway this is pointless because madaras not in this fight

scans?

sasuke burned a ten story bijuu and itachi burned a whole forest.

doesnt mean hes the only one who can attempt it.

proof?

if thats so then why does everyone insist itachi > sasuke?

we dont know how or what actually happened. it could all just be pure luck. or it didnt happen the way people say it did like minato's infamous "tobi saw through everything i did"

they are handling kabuto with izanami

easier said than done and he will be facing a fight on two fronts if he does that. attacked from front and behind

so was danzo

more unbelievable than sasukes enton + susano and itachi's totsuka + yata?

scans of hashirama doing this?

1. we dont know how or what precisely happened. was it luck? did hashirama have help? did kurama turn on his enslaver once freed from madara? in which case it was actually madara vs kurama hashirama mito and the village.
and since when can madara alone take on even sasuke let alone both uchiha bros? as i said madaras ems feats suck.

so minatos stronger than kurama because he removed him from tobis control? dont be so quick to think hashirama physically took the thing on.

no he didnt. he freed it from madara's control and took him over with hokage style 60 year old seal, and his necklace. this is not proof of power. he just happened to uniquely be able to suppress a bijuu. useless in a fight with humans. gaara controlling sand does not make him stronger than someone who doesnt.

no he cant

was. all this is past tense. ems madaras time has long passed. new uchihas are the strongest ones now.

effectively itachi does have EMS right now as an edo tensei.

sasuke burns it to a crisp with amaterasu sword and great dragon fire. dragon fire if you remember was so hot it scorched the sky enough for kirin to come raining down on itachis face. itachi slices through the flower forest with totsuka swords incredible reach and power. totsuka hits hashirama and seals him and thats the end of that.

How do you think the VotE was created?

Madara dwarfed a meteor with his forest, they can't do shit. Hashirama's been shown

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to have bound Kurama with his mokuton, don't give me that "oh he just sealed it he never even fought it bla bla".

 

[Wolfang714]

Hashirama beat Madara, who also had Tsukuyomi.

Bullsh*t - I wish Madara had Tsukuyomi, but Mangekyou Sharingan abilties vary from person to person. You don't see Sasuke with Tsukuyomi but instead has Amaterasu and Blaze Release

 

[johnouy]

:noc::noc::noc:the way Madara describe hashirama I don't anybody can beat him

 

[Owarij]

Oh the overation of Hashirama senju once again...I don't understand why NB is the only forum that does this

 

[TobisPawn]

Oh the overation of Hashirama senju once again...I don't understand why NB is the only forum that does this

Yeah. Hashirama was about even with EMS Madara and Kurama (who was later taken from Madara), and I don't see EMS Madara > Itachi AND Sasuke.

 

[Joki]

Yeah. Hashirama was about even with EMS Madara and Kurama (who was later taken from Madara), and I don't see EMS Madara > Itachi AND Sasuke.

EMS Madara maybe not, but you listed Kurama in the sentence before that and completely omitted him in the sentence after..probably for obvious reasons.

 

[Blaze Release]

Contrary to popular beliefs, hashirama would have great difficulty beating either brother. Both against him, the bros are winning

 

[TobisPawn]

EMS Madara maybe not, but you listed Kurama in the sentence before that and completely omitted him in the sentence after..probably for obvious reasons.

Because Hashirama most likely subdued Kurama not too far into the battle.

 

[Joki]

Because Hashirama most likely subdued Kurama not too far into the battle.

He still fought him and survived, I probably can't name ninja on both hands who could survive longer than a few seconds against rampaging Kurama by himself, and let alone EMS Madara at the same time/

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Hashirama beat Madara, who also had Tsukuyomi.

manga scans of madara performing tsukiyomi please

Hashirama also speacialized in fuinjutsu

no he didnt. he hasnt shown a single seal at all. not even once.

This was one of the reasons how he managed to beat madara.

no one knows the reason he won.

Pretty much most of the hokage if not all were speacialized in fuinjutsu.

wrong. only minato was as kushina taught him uzumaki seals and he created death god seal

lightning(chidori) beats earth(sand).

sand is classified as wind nature

The reason why he didn't face anyone during his CS mode was cause he ran away

yet he stood and confronted naruto and beat him. the strongest of the retrieval squad

. I was expecting you to show me something different like maybe something containing the data books?

databooks are outdated and inconsistent

cause wind stronger than lightning

so asumas blades could overpower kirin? get real. its about the strength of the jutsu, not what one is weaker or stronger against

Thats cause he's not nagato or SO6P who had the rinnegan frm the beginning. Nd like i stated before madara is lacking the paths.

exactly

Madara dwarfed a meteor with his forest, they can't do shit.

his forest meaning not hashirama's. no proof hashirama could ever do what madaras doing. VOTE was most likely created by earth style jutsus from hashirama moving the earth around like even jirobo can.

Hashirama's been shown on-screen to have bound Kurama with his mokuton

no he hasnt

I probably can't name ninja on both hands who could survive longer than a few seconds against rampaging Kurama by himself,

because they werent born with the lucky ability to suppress bijuus without having to fight them and hashirama was not by himself.

"oh he just sealed it he never even fought it bla bla".

restraining and suppressing isnt fighting. unless you want to praise 4th kazekage for suppressing ichibi

 

[quazzar]

Contrary to popular beliefs, hashirama would have great difficulty beating either brother. Both against him, the bros are winning

yes..i agree .