Hashirama vs Itachi and Sasuke

[Joki]

Hiruzen does not know all the jutsu in the leaf, stop talking bs

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Talking BS?

Lol proof hashirama fights without eye contact?
yea thought so

Proof of a page where Itachi specifically countered Hashirama's wood? Thought so.

Great , once again, which is going to activate fasteR? tsukyomi or him using handseals then casting bringer of darkness?

The latter, Tsukuyomi will never activate because Hashirama won't look into his eyes

Not to mention itachi has heaven and earth genjutsu reversal, smh

Yeah he tries that when he's dead, nothing happens.

 

[TobisPawn]

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Talking BS?
Proof of a page where Itachi specifically countered Hashirama's wood? Thought so.

The latter, Tsukuyomi will never activate because Hashirama won't look into his eyes

Yeah he tries that when he's dead, nothing happens.

Realize this is a 2 on 1. Sasuke can be attacking Hashirama. And if Hashirama doesn't use his eyes, he'll easily be hit by an Amaterasu, or stabbed by the Sword of Totsuka.

 

[Owarij]

Proof of a page where Itachi specifically countered Hashirama's wood? Thought so.

Once again, which comes out faster? tsukyomi or handseals and moukouton?

and susanno can more than counter it btw

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Talking BS?

oH GOD, He links the page and still doesn't realize what oro is saying..

You do see that orochimaru is speaking in past tense? not only that but he said all EXISTING konoha jutsu? meaning only of the ninja who was alive at that specific time?

Orochimaru never said "You ARE called professor for knowing all the jutsu in the leaf"
^that's an entire different thing..

He Said you WERE called professor for knowing all existing jutsu in the leaf"

/siogh

The latter, Tsukuyomi will never activate because Hashirama won't look into his eyes

Good job proving that? In another thread you once told me not to use speculation?

well fact is you do not know how hashirama countered madara's eyes.. you have no idea..
Not to mention if he isn't looking at their eyes, tell me how he's going to dodge amaterasu again?
:O oh!

 

[TobisPawn]

Once again, which comes out faster? tsukyomi or handseals and moukouton?

and susanno can more than counter it btw


oH GOD, He links the page and still doesn't realize what oro is saying..

You do see that orochimaru is speaking in past tense? not only that but he said all EXISTING konoha jutsu? meaning only of the ninja who was alive at that specific time?

Orochimaru never said "You ARE called professor for knowing all the jutsu in the leaf"
^that's an entire different thing..

He Said you WERE called professor for knowing all existing jutsu in the leaf"

/siogh


Good job proving that? In another thread you once told me not to use speculation?

well fact is you do not know how hashirama countered madara's eyes.. you have no idea..
Not to mention if he isn't looking at their eyes, tell me how he's going to dodge amaterasu again?
:O oh!

Pretty much this.

 

[TheSages456]

hashirama wins. susano will be restrained by mokuton. amaterasu is blocked by wood walls or if hashirama gets hit by amaterasu, he could sprout wood from his body to remove the flames. hashirama was fighting uchihas all his life and he knows not to look into an uchihas eyes.

 

[Owarij]

hashirama wins. susano will be restrained by mokuton. amaterasu is blocked by wood walls or if hashirama gets hit by amaterasu, he could sprout wood from his body to remove the flames. hashirama was fighting uchihas all his life and he knows not to look into an uchihas eyes.

You can't have both ways... If he's not looking at their eyes, he isn't going to be blocking amaterasu with wood walls is he?

Unless you're going to tell me he's a sensor?

 

[TobisPawn]

hashirama wins. susano will be restrained by mokuton. amaterasu is blocked by wood walls or if hashirama gets hit by amaterasu, he could sprout wood from his body to remove the flames. hashirama was fighting uchihas all his life and he knows not to look into an uchihas eyes.

The thing is, these are 2 MS wielding Uchihas (a rare sight even back then), one with Enton and one with Spiritual Weapons and Tsukuyomi.

If Mokuton tries binding Sasuke, he uses Enton spikes to burn all the wood away, and then he frees Itachi. And If Hashirama won't be making eye contact, an Amaterasu will hit him easily. Sprouting wood will stop the flames, but not heal the damage already made. You can't beat 2 MS users without making eye contact.

And if Hashirama hits B.O.D, they can turn on Susanoo or make Amaterasu rings around them.

 

[TheSages456]

The thing is, these are 2 MS wielding Uchihas (a rare sight even back then), one with Enton and one with Spiritual Weapons and Tsukuyomi.

If Mokuton tries binding Sasuke, he uses Enton spikes to burn all the wood away, and then he frees Itachi. And If Hashirama won't be making eye contact, an Amaterasu will hit him easily. Sprouting wood will stop the flames, but not heal the damage already made.

amaterasu wouldnt burn the wood that quick. amaterasu has no force behind it so it will take a little while. hashirama will heal any damage done to him from amaterasu.

 

[origin29]

Realize this is a 2 on 1. Sasuke can be attacking Hashirama. And if Hashirama doesn't use his eyes, he'll easily be hit by an Amaterasu, or stabbed by the Sword of Totsuka.

people keep saying hashi fought the uchiha for a long time, which is true, but it is very unlikely he ever saw the totsuka blade, and the yata mirror could block all moukton. then there is sasuke. 2 vs. 1 is is very hard.

 

[Joki]

Once again, which comes out faster? tsukyomi or handseals and moukouton?

and susanno can more than counter it btw

Neither comes faster. Mokuton goes faster, because Tsukuyomi is ineffective. Okay, they're buried under a gigantic forest with pollen spraying in every direction and if they breathe it they die. What they gonna do? Can't use Susano'o when unconscious btw.

oH GOD, He links the page and still doesn't realize what oro is saying..

You do see that orochimaru is speaking in past tense? not only that but he said all EXISTING konoha jutsu? meaning only of the ninja who was alive at that specific time?

Orochimaru never said "You ARE called professor for knowing all the jutsu in the leaf"
^that's an entire different thing..

He Said you WERE called professor for knowing all existing jutsu in the leaf"

/siogh

Uhhh how is that relevant at all?

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Here's another link for your enjoyment. The reason we brought up Hiruzen was because I said he didn't even attempt to break Hashirama's genjutsu, he knew it was impossible even for him, the "God of Shinobi", the one who knew all the jutsu in the leaf past or present, the strongest of all the kages even in his old age. Guy didn't even attempt to break Hashirama's genjutsu, that was its relevance.

One handseals much faster than it takes to activate MS assuming Hashirama would ever look into Itachi's eyes after beating EMS Madara down. He puts him under 10,000 tons of forest, GG.

Good job proving that? In another thread you once told me not to use speculation?

well fact is you do not know how hashirama countered madara's eyes.. you have no idea..
Not to mention if he isn't looking at their eyes, tell me how he's going to dodge amaterasu again?
:O oh!

I see how it works around here, basically anything that agrees with you is perfectly fine to speculate and disregard things off screen etc to your liking, but when it comes the opposite the person your debating with is absolutely forbid that and can't use common sense in debates. Yeah, I guess Sakura beats the Rikudo Sage as well because we haven't seen an on-screen panel of him fighting.

Dodge Amaterasu, simple, there's 10,000 tons of a giant forest twice the size of a meteor between Itachi(and Sasuke, although you guys were saying Itachi could solo) and Hashirama. How's he gonna hit him with Ammy?

 

[TobisPawn]

Neither comes faster. Mokuton goes faster, because Tsukuyomi is ineffective. Okay, they're buried under a gigantic forest with pollen spraying in every direction and if they breathe it they die. What they gonna do? Can't use Susano'o when unconscious btw.
Uhhh how is that relevant at all?

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Here's another link for your enjoyment. The reason we brought up Hiruzen was because I said he didn't even attempt to break Hashirama's genjutsu, he knew it was impossible even for him, the "God of Shinobi", the one who knew all the jutsu in the leaf past or present, the strongest of all the kages even in his old age. Guy didn't even attempt to break Hashirama's genjutsu, that was its relevance.

One handseals much faster than it takes to activate MS assuming Hashirama would ever look into Itachi's eyes after beating EMS Madara down. He puts him under 10,000 tons of forest, GG.

I see how it works around here, basically anything that agrees with you is perfectly fine to speculate and disregard things off screen etc to your liking, but when it comes the opposite the person your debating with is absolutely forbid that and can't use common sense in debates. Yeah, I guess Sakura beats the Rikudo Sage as well because we haven't seen an on-screen panel of him fighting.

Dodge Amaterasu, simple, there's 10,000 tons of a giant forest twice the size of a meteor between Itachi(and Sasuke, although you guys were saying Itachi could solo) and Hashirama. How's he gonna hit him with Ammy?

Read my last 2 posts, you're not quoting them or replying to them.

 

[Drakengard]

I dunno it seems rather close. Wood Release sprouting from below their Susano'o could really mess them up and possibly catch them off guard (being intelligence does not mean that they cannot fall to surprise attacks). If we base his abilities on what Yamato can do but on a higher level, Hashirama can make huge water-falls out of flat land, totally level down the land they're on (for a good visual example see what Jirobo did last chapter and multiply that a bit - yes Yamato also did a version of it), possible fissures, and all that snaz just by using his 2 elements.

Wood Release gives him the benefits of healing beyond Tsunade's regular abilities, and a complete mastery of wood release. I say mastery instead of naming loads of jutsu because there's a difference: he obviously has more than what's shown if he can expand his jutsu from pollen-baring flowers, a forest, wood clones... the list goes on.

The only way I can see him losing realistically is if his knowledge on the Uchiha is less than I assume it is (given that he fought an entire war against them though..). Of course he could also be cocky/show pity and that may lead to his downfall.

EDIT: To explain further, making sure not to keep eye contact is the basic rule when fighting Uchiha. Imagine if Hashirama wasn't able to grasp that simple concept? Realistically, could he have survived all his fights against Madara's susano'o and fail to beat the Uchiha brothers'?

 

[Owarij]

One handseals much faster than it takes to activate MS assuming Hashirama would ever look into Itachi's eyes after beating EMS Madara down. He puts him under 10,000 tons of forest, GG.

Wtf? are you talking about? Handseals are nowhere as fast as activating ms, it's done in a second or less....

Handseals take a few seconds

Sage as well because we haven't seen an on-screen panel of him fighting.

Dodge Amaterasu, simple, there's 10,000 tons of a giant forest twice the size of a meteor between Itachi(and Sasuke, although you guys were saying Itachi could solo) and Hashirama. How's he gonna hit him with Ammy?

Urm no there isn't, Tsukyomi would be used, If he isn't looking at his eyes, then amaterasu WILL hit him...
This is in the beggining of the fight.. do remember

Neither comes faster. Mokuton goes faster, because Tsukuyomi is ineffective.

Sure it is kiddo



I love how he randomly moves from the beggining of the fight, to flower world somehow being used /sigh

If we base his abilities on what Yamato can do but on a higher level, Hashirama can make huge water

Don't do that, don't ever do that, Yamato is his own person, who never even lived in hashirama's times, ofc he doesn't know his jutsu

 

[Joki]

Realize this is a 2 on 1. Sasuke can be attacking Hashirama. And if Hashirama doesn't use his eyes, he'll easily be hit by an Amaterasu, or stabbed by the Sword of Totsuka.

I'm aware, but you're missing the whole 'hax' of the situation: Hashirama literally has a forest at his disposal at will, and pollen that if you breathe it makes you go unconscious. Wood clones, that as hard to defeat as they are, if Itachi and Sasuke ever do defeat him, it'll replicate the same situation as Madara destroying the other 5 Kage. Sasuke, and Itachi's teamwork might be "useful" how you say but Hashirama can simply cover them under infinite amounts of wood.

The thing is, these are 2 MS wielding Uchihas (a rare sight even back then), one with Enton and one with Spiritual Weapons and Tsukuyomi.

If Mokuton tries binding Sasuke, he uses Enton spikes to burn all the wood away, and then he frees Itachi. And If Hashirama won't be making eye contact, an Amaterasu will hit him easily. Sprouting wood will stop the flames, but not heal the damage already made. You can't beat 2 MS users without making eye contact.

And if Hashirama hits B.O.D, they can turn on Susanoo or make Amaterasu rings around them.

You act like it's that simple, but it's not simple "binding", if there's an entire forest under his control coming up fron under their susano'o and in every direction around them it's not as simple as 1 Enton, it will just spread and kill Itachi and Sasuke as well. He also can't free Sasuke, something similar happened when Kabuto pierced him with Muki Tensei. When Hashirama releases his pollen jutsu they really have no answer for it.

Read my last 2 posts, you're not quoting them or replying to them.

Alright, done(hope those were the 2 you wanted me to reply to lol if not just say the word).

Wtf? are you talking about? Handseals are nowhere as fast as activating ms, it's done in a second or less....

Handseals take a few seconds

So's the 'handseal', he's not making a handseal he just slaps his hands together. A lot simpler than his eye shifting from MS, the pressure building up as seen against Nagato, and assuming Hashirama is blindly staring into his eyes like an idiot who fought an EMS user.

Urm no there isn't, Tsukyomi would be used, If he isn't looking at his eyes, then amaterasu WILL hit him...
This is in the beggining of the fight.. do remember

You think Amaterasu can be used before Mokuton springs from the ground in a wall to defend against it? Try again

Sure it is kiddo



I love how he randomly moves from the beggining of the fight, to flower world somehow being used /sigh


Don't do that, don't ever do that, Yamato is his own person, who never even lived in hashirama's times, ofc he doesn't know his jutsu

Uh yeah, pretty simple technique here, I guess he won't use it in this fight since Itachi and Sasuke have no answer for it, and they obviously can't lose here because Owarij doesn't want them to, so he won't use it. What's their answer to the flower world and a forest surrounding them?

I don't know what you guys are talking abotu with Yamato but Hashirama does have a KG which is Earth+Water so he does have water, but I'm not talking about that just thought I'd let you know

What Drakengard says pretty much says it like it is, Hashirama's just too hax

 

[Owarij]

You think Amaterasu can be used before Mokuton springs from the ground in a wall to defend against it? Try again

DEFEND AGAINST WHAT HE CAN'T SEE COMING?

is he a ****ing psychic?

tell me? does HE know Itachi's and sasuke's abilities?

i'm just about done debating with you, you are completely retarded

sorry to say, but hopeless, NONE of your points make any sense, you almost no NOTHING about the naruto manga, it's pitiful, horribly pitiful

 

[TheSages456]

DEFEND AGAINST WHAT HE CAN'T SEE COMING?

is he a ****ing psychic?

tell me? does HE know Itachi's and sasuke's abilities?

i'm just about done debating with you, you are completely retarded

sorry to say, but hopeless, NONE of your points make any sense, you almost no NOTHING about the naruto manga, it's pitiful, horribly pitiful

because blood dripping down someones face isnt obvious.

 

[Owarij]

because blood dripping down someones face isnt obvious.

Oh so now you're accepting he's going to be loooking in his eyes?
Good , lets counter tsukyomi

 

[Joki]

DEFEND AGAINST WHAT HE CAN'T SEE COMING?

is he a ****ing psychic?

tell me? does HE know Itachi's and sasuke's abilities?

i'm just about done debating with you, you are completely retarded

sorry to say, but hopeless, NONE of your points make any sense, you almost no NOTHING about the naruto manga, it's pitiful, horribly pitiful

What this guy said: also I direct you to the fight where Nagato felt the pressure of Amaterasu building and its preparation time.

because blood dripping down someones face isnt obvious.

 

[TheSages456]

Oh so now you're accepting he's going to be loooking in his eyes?
Good , lets counter tsukyomi

i didnt say he would look into their eyes. he is looking at the bottom half of their face. hashirama can still counter amaterasu without looking in their eyes. he could just sprout wood from the part of his body thats on fire then heal himself from any damage.

 

[Joki]

Oh so now you're accepting he's going to be loooking in his eyes?
Good , lets counter tsukyomi

See blood? Look away. Simple. Hey, guess what, blood takes a second and it always fals before MS jutsu, simple way to counter it assumin gHashirama does look in his eyes.

So now why are you claiming Tsukuyomi can be countered this same way in other thread where you have to change your opinion, then here act like it's invincible? You have to have 1 opinion, not making too much sense here sir

Also this guy knows what he's talking about :

i didnt say he would look into their eyes. he is looking at the bottom half of their face. hashirama can still counter amaterasu without looking in their eyes. he could just sprout wood from the part of his body thats on fire then heal himself from any damage.