Hashirama vs Itachi and Sasuke

[GenKiDama]

Like we're seeing now, Madara use rarely genjutsus. Itachi is an expert in genjutsu. His tsukiyomi can't be countered. Hashirama maybe fought against other Uchiwas, but he has never fought against Itachi.

don't really need genjutsu when you are immortal..

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

Talking bout ems madara renningan madara would step all over the first hokage...sasuke Probly is stronger younger generation surpasses the old.

I agree with you on the first part however for the last bit, its not always the case. Older people are considered 'wise' for a reason too you knwo? Nd there is also a reason why madara is considered the 'leader of uchiha.' Itachi-san also refered to him as his mentor nd teacher.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

I agree with you on the first part however for the last bit, its not always the case. Older people are considered 'wise' for a reason too you knwo? Nd there is also a reason why madara is considered the 'leader of uchiha.' Itachi-san also refered to him as his mentor nd teacher.

Madara was the leader becuz he got the ms an waste strongest. MInato called j-man he sensei as well but I think minato wins naruto calls kakashi sensei as well but we kno naruto is stronger. Just cuz they wer once ur teacher don't mean nonthing an that was Tobi not madara

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Hashirama could just spam Wood clones to fight Itachi and personally deal with sasuke and hold down susanoo with mokuton.

Lol he is not madara don't let that wood clone thing go to ur head...spam wood than Wat I said stands he will be out of chakara once itachi steps up to fight.

 

[iMicLykTyson]

Uchiha bros take this reason? How does Hirashima fair against susano and it's attacks, Izanagi, the fact that some people think clones can hold itachi is laughable, Stating that Hirashima diverts totsuka is baseless. Hirashima is with no doubt a great ninja but fighting against 2 MS users without any dojustu of is own is too much IMO

 

[Killer Vision]

hashirama take this.

 

[shogun973]

True. But I doubt he'd make eye contact. And he has some powerful Genjutsu too.

the manga shows them staring at each other numerous times...plus eye contact is not needed for genjutsu with itachi

 

[TobisPawn]

the manga shows them staring at each other numerous times...plus eye contact is not needed for genjutsu with itachi

Itachi's Genjutsu without eye contact isn't all that great.

 

[Frikid]

hashirama

because he had tooo much knowledge about sharingan and uchiha and at that time, many people had awaken MS like madara and izuna so...
hashi and tobirama might have found a way to counter it

 

[TobisPawn]

hashirama

because he had tooo much knowledge about sharingan and uchiha and at that time, many people had awaken MS like madara and izuna so...
hashi and tobirama might have found a way to counter it

I think only Madara and Izuna had MS.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

You're basically just leaning on amaterasu and susano'o weapons. We have already seen that mokuton can divert susano'o weapons like the arrows

mokuton also burns when hit with sasukes ems amaterasu projectiles. why shouldnt i lean on amat? its ****ing powerful.

Nd since when is madara weaker than sauske?? Stuck up sasuek fanboy if you ask me

i go by facts and feats. so sorry if sasukes better in all departments except experience. in terms of all shown abilities, sasukes superior. great dragon fire and amaterasu + hawk summon is bad news for a wood element user

. Hashirama can do it easily

the thing is...hes up against EMS which spams MS techs to their hearts content without fear of going blind. so what if he diverts attention to one arrow? he will soon have a hail of chidori senbon/amaterasu shuriken/susano arrows coming for him as well

Totsuka, for example, will be intercepted by branches so it starts absorbing them.

totsuka cut yamata's heads off without fear of sealing them. it only seals souls

As for amaterasu, it can be blocked by medium-speed techs like Gaara's sand,

gaara's sand blocked kagutsuchi. not the regular 'point and shoot" amat.

If it does burn Hashirama's wood he can just make more... and more... and more
so what? with sasuke's skil he can also use it defensively. so hashirama can make what he wants but eventually amaterasu shurikens will reach him. especially since hes being attacked from behind by itachis point and shoot amat as well.

But we can easily make assumptions

i dont deal in assumptions especially talking about someone who either has not fought at all or had pathetic showings

Itachi is smarter than Madara but not by much. You can't say Madara was stupid

yes i can. all hes done since getting resurrected is spam techniques and talk shit. sasuke would have killed them all by now if he had madara's power.

Itachi and Sasuke's abilities are not very different from Madara's at all

how do you know? their susano's different. their genjutsu is 99% likely to be different. their ranged attacks are different. itachi and sasuke both have very powerful ranged attacks to penetrate wood defences

Madara has much more better abilities nd skills than sasuke

sorry no. no evidence of that. only reason hes fighting the kages so well is mokuton and rinnegan. we've barely seen his EMS

also has the rinnegan; considered the most powerful dojutsu. Nd its considered the most powerful for a reason.

i know that. but he didnt have rinnegan vs hashirama and hashiramas never seen rinnegan

Madara would literally slay sauske with his kenjutsu alone.

sasukes kenjutsu kept up with bee's. and sasuke defeated a thousand fodders, without killing any of them and without getting a single scratch on him. madara said that around a hundred fodders was "too much"

Hashirama could just spam Wood clones to fight Itachi

scans of him spamming wood clones. only an enormous chakra supply and excellent control cna make good use of taijuu bunshins

hold down susanoo with mokuton.

how the hell do you do that? especially the full armoured version of itachi's with totsuka

 

[TobisPawn]

mokuton also burns when hit with sasukes ems amaterasu projectiles. why shouldnt i lean on amat? its ****ing powerful.

i go by facts and feats. so sorry if sasukes better in all departments except experience. in terms of all shown abilities, sasukes superior. great dragon fire and amaterasu + hawk summon is bad news for a wood element user

the thing is...hes up against EMS which spams MS techs to their hearts content without fear of going blind. so what if he diverts attention to one arrow? he will soon have a hail of chidori senbon/amaterasu shuriken/susano arrows coming for him as well

totsuka cut yamata's heads off without fear of sealing them. it only seals souls

gaara's sand blocked kagutsuchi. not the regular 'point and shoot" amat.

If it does burn Hashirama's wood he can just make more... and more... and more
so what? with sasuke's skil he can also use it defensively. so hashirama can make what he wants but eventually amaterasu shurikens will reach him. especially since hes being attacked from behind by itachis point and shoot amat as well.

i dont deal in assumptions especially talking about someone who either has not fought at all or had pathetic showings

yes i can. all hes done since getting resurrected is spam techniques and talk shit. sasuke would have killed them all by now if he had madara's power.

how do you know? their susano's different. their genjutsu is 99% likely to be different. their ranged attacks are different. itachi and sasuke both have very powerful ranged attacks to penetrate wood defences

sorry no. no evidence of that. only reason hes fighting the kages so well is mokuton and rinnegan. we've barely seen his EMS

i know that. but he didnt have rinnegan vs hashirama and hashiramas never seen rinnegan

sasukes kenjutsu kept up with bee's. and sasuke defeated a thousand fodders, without killing any of them and without getting a single scratch on him. madara said that around a hundred fodders was "too much"

scans of him spamming wood clones. only an enormous chakra supply and excellent control cna make good use of taijuu bunshins

how the hell do you do that? especially the full armoured version of itachi's with totsuka

People overrate Hashirama a lot here. :/ I personally think that the Uchiha Bros would be able to beat Hashirama, but most consider him a god now.

 

[naruttebayo]

my mind says uchiha bro
my heart says hashirama

i usually go with my heart <3

 

[TobisPawn]

my mind says uchiha bro
my heart says hashirama

i usually go with my heart <3

Haha wow

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

Madara was the leader becuz he got the ms an waste strongest. MInato called j-man he sensei as well but I think minato wins naruto calls kakashi sensei as well but we kno naruto is stronger. Just cuz they wer once ur teacher don't mean nonthing an that was Tobi not madara

Like i said, its not always the case. I don't completely disagree with you cause your right even though naruto believed kakashi to be his sensei, naruto did surpass kakashi but as for sauske, he has a long way to go. Just because of all the hate he has built up nd carried. His skills are still no where near madara's. Madara hasn't even reached his peak with the kage nd back when sasuke was against the kage, firstly he faced them seperately(starting with raikage, confronted by gaara, mei nd onoki. Madara is facing them all at the sme time. Nd besides some of the kage didn't even attack sauske during the summit, danzo escaped nd gaara didn;t want a fight. Naruto nd sasuke are both overrated if you ask me. Look at their age to begin with.

 

[obscoral]

hashi stomps sasuke hard
while ita tsukuyomis him into oblivion

end thread /

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

firstly he faced them seperately(starting with raikage, confronted by gaara, mei nd onoki. Madara is facing them all at the sme time.

your comparing a novice MS sasuke yet to unlock kagutsuchi mastery/complete armour susano/susano arrows to super godlike rinnegan/ems madara with unlimited power and mokuton made to be better than he ever was in life

 

[Enton]

Those who suggest Hashirama could defeat both Itachi and Sasuke are clutching at straws.

 

[Ultimatevirus]

irachi and sasuke midd difficulty

 

[Midday]

People here are only using baseless assumptions to support Hashirama. Uchia bros take this. I would argue that they're better than ems Madara since his feats at that stage have been far from impressive, but i'll asssume he has a little more and is on a similar level. Both Itachi susanoo is better due to the weapons and i'll give Madara the benefit of the doubt and say his susanoo is around sasuke's level when complete.

Also Hashirama didn't curb stomp Madara, it was a fight to the death and he won with High difficulty. As I said before Itachi and Sasuke are around that level and together they would beat him.