Hiruzen Sarutobi: "The GOD of shinobi" arguments

[iknowwhotobiis]

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Do you realize that Iruka is not a real person and is a person written up by Kishi who put those words in his mouth to tell us who the strongest Hokage was. So instead of saying I don't believe Iruka because he is a teacher is stupid because your saying that you do not believe the creator.

are you retarded or what?1

 

[iamdsixth]

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THIS IS OVER. I am going to end this dear God once and for all. Anything anybody says otherwise is a silly logicless fanboy.

My opinion is fanboyless I base it solely on the fact that the third has been called the greatest hokage by more than one character in the series (Oro was one of them and also dubbed him the "God of shinobi" - Ya know Oro, the guy who most consider the most intelligent person in the entire series, AND ORO was alive during the first Hokage so..... ya...)

Hiruzen took on partial first kage, second kage, and oro who was easily kage level. All three of them combined at the age of 69 HAH.

The fact that we never say his prime is a terrible tragedy. However it is simply fool to say that he was not strong because we never saw him in his prime DOES NOT ****ING MEAN he wasn't as he is described - I mean for God sakes we never truly saw the SO6P ever, does that mean he was not powerful?
Yet personally I thought taking on Oro when nobody could even come close to their level was a Godly act in itself, again not to mention he was 69. If you go by that logic, then the SO6P would be nothing because technically all we have heard are people speak of how powerful he was, EVEN THOUGH we ALL SAW him do something epic anyways.

IF ANY OF THIS IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU SILLY FANBOYS, THEN LET THIS BE THE FINAL NAIL IN YOUR LOGIC FAIL COFFIN - Kishi HIMSELF stated that Hiruzen was the most powerful Hokage yet/of his time.

THERE IS NO MORE, NO MORE ARGUMENT NO MORE DISPUTE, NOTHING.

I am not a fanboy of hiruzen, I think he should have chose another successor long before he hit that age. But I am just callin it like i sees it, not listening to silly threads started by other fanboys.
It's.... over.

Correction, we have never seen an official and canon fight of Hashirama and Madara. Only a non-canon OVA from Generations. Additionally, with all the evidence I provided in my previous posts, it does clearly show his superiority and ability to fend off two edo-tensei Kages, and Orochimaru. Also, as I stated before, he went easy on Orochimaru out of pity, and had a hard time unleashing his full potential out of pure respect for the past Kages. You are correct, he was not in his prime, if he would have been, with the lack of pity, he would of wrecked Orochimaru. Even with his (possibly) weaker disposition, he still held back, costing him his life.

Oh my God.Obviously you did not read my post before writing down a reply.Look again and I will quote myself ,,
-"we actually gauge both characters by how powerful their opponents are"Nobody said anything about Madara and Hashirama's actual battle.
To make it even clear for you if you still dont understand, WE GET AN IDEA OF HOW STRONG HASHIRAMA IS BY WITNESSING UCHIHA MADARA's CAPABILITIES IN THE RECENT CHAPTERS. If you still dont get,,let me try this.IF I HAD A DRAG CAR THAT IS CAPABLE OF RUNNING 10 SECOND PASSES AND I LOST TO ANOTHER CAR,WOULD YOU NOT GET AN IDEA OF HOW FAST THE OTHER CAR I LOST TO IS? Yes! right!! The other car i lost to should be running less than 10seconds.Is it not an idea?Same concept with Madara Uchiha. Now that we have witnessed his capabilities in battle,we have an idea of what capabilities the shinobi that beat him who is Hashirama. I suggest you read first before you post.I am assuming all you read was Hashirama Vs. Madara and totaly missed the point on it was just used to get an "IDEA"of how strong Hashirama is.Nothing more nothing less.

 

[narutownsyouall]

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are you retarded or what?1

Wow really. You should really watch what you say. And Hiruzen beats Hashirama by feats. Kabuto said that there are no longer Shinobi on Hashirama's level "No longer" not never were Which means there are a few meaning Hiruzen since he was stated to be the strongest Hokage. Literally this was in writing from Kishi. So stop saying dumb things and take in mind that every character is written by the same person.

 

[MadaraHashirama]

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Look at what kabuto has said, No one can yet surpass the first hokage. So stop saying that hiruzen can defeat him.
And for the people saying hiruzen sealed them both. They were imperfect edo's you scumbags! Both of them aren't using any strong techinques when they 3 fought so stop overrating hiruzen too much fanboys :sy:

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Now Look at madara said to them. So this means that eventhough the 5 kages combined their power are nowhere near hashirama, so that means hashirama is stronger that hiruzen.

my post says it all.
So if anyone still argues with me, you're just a simple fanboy who overrates hiruzen too much that you're giving him powers that he will never have

When did Kabuto say that?

Let me clear up the reason why both Tobirama and Hashirama looked like sh*t in that battle even though it didn't last long and Hiruzen was caught, I believe they had to use to much effort for an old man (they used like 3 Jutsus, both combined)
First off let me begin with simply saying the plot was alot different back then, back then it was a Ninja anime, now it's some sort of crossing between Ninja and Saiyans with power levels really unstable, Kishimoto didn't make Hashirama that strong back then, he didn't thought about Rinnegan, he hadn't thought about Tobirama being able to use S/T Ninjutsu, everything was alot different back then, Kishimoto doesn't even know what he wants himself.
Secondly Hashirama couldn't create forests or anything, and for some reason he couldn't create trees in a instant like he's said to do, or basically how he could do. I find that strange, perhaps it's because of the plot changing and the powerlevels increasing?
There was a barrier which prevented Hashirama from using his Mokuton on a full scale, Hashirama also couldn't do Mokuton Clones back then because Kishimoto didn't thought of it yet, because the plot and powerlevels are so much different right now.

All in all, the barrier prevented Hashirama from using his Mokuton on a full scale, powerlevels and plot was alot different back then basically meaning alot of powers and techniques have been added into the Manga which some of them were given to Hashirama and Tobirama.

 

[iknowwhotobiis]

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Wow really. You should really watch what you say. And Hiruzen beats Hashirama by feats. Kabuto said that there are no longer Shinobi on Hashirama's level "No longer" not never were Which means there are a few meaning Hiruzen since he was stated to be the strongest Hokage. Literally this was in writing from Kishi. So stop saying dumb things and take in mind that every character is written by the same person.

dude read this over and over (the quotation below) until you see how retarded it was. or read the other guy reply...

Do you realize that Iruka is not a real person and is a person written up by Kishi who put those words in his mouth to tell us who the strongest Hokage was. So instead of saying I don't believe Iruka because he is a teacher is stupid because your saying that you do not believe the creator.

if you still dont understand i will help you out. Kishi did create naruto but he writes things from the characters point of view?! How long have you been reading this manga?! sometimes i dont even know what to say. you must be trollin for sure

 

[narutownsyouall]

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dude read this over and over (the quotation below) until you see how retarded it was. or read the other guy reply...

I do not need to have Kiba's sense of smell to sniff out your trolling BWHAHA! dood seriously stop crying because somebody called you out on your steez! :|

 

[iknowwhotobiis]

Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

When did Kabuto say that?

Let me clear up the reason why both Tobirama and Hashirama looked like sh*t in that battle even though it didn't last long and Hiruzen was caught, I believe they had to use to much effort for an old man (they used like 3 Jutsus, both combined)
First off let me begin with simply saying the plot was alot different back then, back then it was a Ninja anime, now it's some sort of crossing between Ninja and Saiyans with power levels really unstable, Kishimoto didn't make Hashirama that strong back then, he didn't thought about Rinnegan, he hadn't thought about Tobirama being able to use S/T Ninjutsu, everything was alot different back then, Kishimoto doesn't even know what he wants himself.
Secondly Hashirama couldn't create forests or anything, and for some reason he couldn't create trees in a instant like he's said to do, or basically how he could do. I find that strange, perhaps it's because of the plot changing and the powerlevels increasing?
There was a barrier which prevented Hashirama from using his Mokuton on a full scale, Hashirama also couldn't do Mokuton Clones back then because Kishimoto didn't thought of it yet, because the plot and powerlevels are so much different right now.

All in all, the barrier prevented Hashirama from using his Mokuton on a full scale, powerlevels and plot was alot different back then basically meaning alot of powers and techniques have been added into the Manga which some of them were given to Hashirama and Tobirama.

yo bro are you kishi?! if not delete your lies and apologize

@narutownsyouall

just read again to see how bad your statement was. it seems you still need some time to understand it.

 

[MadaraHashirama]

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yo bro are you kishi?! if not delete your lies and apologize

@narutownsyouall

just read again to see how bad your statement was. it seems you still need some time to understand it.

Because Kishi planned everything from the start, every chapter, every power, every character he planned from the start

 

[iknowwhotobiis]

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Because Kishi planned everything from the start, every chapter, every power, every character he planned from the start

are you kishi tho?! or has he told you he had no idea about the rinn in part 1? can you do us a favor and ask him the top 10 strongest shinobis so we can end this right now?! it would be helpful.

 

[bmnaruto]

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Wow really. You should really watch what you say. And Hiruzen beats Hashirama by feats. Kabuto said that there are no longer Shinobi on Hashirama's level "No longer" not never were Which means there are a few meaning Hiruzen since he was stated to be the strongest Hokage. Literally this was in writing from Kishi. So stop saying dumb things and take in mind that every character is written by the same person.

You didn't read my post do you? You're a fanboy i can see it.
"No longer" means that in when hashirama passed away no shinobi's surpassed him. not even hiruzen. Who said that hiruzen was the strongest hokage? Iruka? for god damn sake, "He's the only one who said that" cite other shinobi's that says hiruzen is the strongest. you are dumb

 

[MickNerks]

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I like it how you ignore the rest of my post.
Yes it does say it was "perfected" by orochimaru but it doesn't mean it’s was perfect when he fought Hizuren, or do you think orochimaru's its better then kabuto's, obviously not! (go read page 19 chapter 489, Kabuto says his Edo Tensei surprasses his previous users)

Like I said before if it was a perfect then explain why the 1st and 2nd didn't use their best techniques.

If he perfected it then its perfect.. When kabuto said his surpass the previous use he was talking about the face that he allow his to keep there personality so they can fight as they would if they were alive.. But thats the only diffrence, oro still perfected it.. and at the time the only thing that was known about the first was that he had wood release, but we didnt know to wat extent or what he could do with it, and the same for tobimara all we knew was that he was a master at water jutsus and they showed both of them using what we knew they had and hiruzen still countered it..

 

[bmnaruto]

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If he perfected it then its perfect.. When kabuto said his surpass the previous use he was talking about the face that he allow his to keep there personality so they can fight as they would if they were alive.. But thats the only diffrence, oro still perfected it.. and at the time the only thing that was known about the first was that he had wood release, but we didnt know to wat extent or what he could do with it, and the same for tobimara all we knew was that he was a master at water jutsus and they showed both of them using what we knew they had and hiruzen still countered it..

Kabuto didn't say that edo was perfected when oro fought with hiruzen. He perfected that edo after that.

 

[iknowwhotobiis]

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If he perfected it then its perfect.. When kabuto said his surpass the previous use he was talking about the face that he allow his to keep there personality so they can fight as they would if they were alive.. But thats the only diffrence, oro still perfected it.. and at the time the only thing that was known about the first was that he had wood release, but we didnt know to wat extent or what he could do with it, and the same for tobimara all we knew was that he was a master at water jutsus and they showed both of them using what we knew they had and hiruzen still countered it..

yo bro there is something beyond perfection.. i had no idea what is it called?! or the kunai with a special seal is not considered part of the edo tensei?

 

[MadaraHashirama]

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are you kishi tho?! or has he told you he had no idea about the rinn in part 1? can you do us a favor and ask him the top 10 strongest shinobis so we can end this right now?! it would be helpful.

That explains exactly why the first design of the Rinnegan was Grey and Pink-ish coloured and later on it turned out to be purple.

 

[iknowwhotobiis]

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That explains exactly why the first design of the Rinnegan was Grey and Pink-ish coloured and later on it turned out to be purple.

LOL what is your point?! He has changed his mind about things in naruto, sure he has probably every second even while he is drawing. But to go as far as stating he had no idea about x and y in part 1 is just foolish. Unless you are kishi

 

[bmnaruto]

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When did Kabuto say that?

Let me clear up the reason why both Tobirama and Hashirama looked like sh*t in that battle even though it didn't last long and Hiruzen was caught, I believe they had to use to much effort for an old man (they used like 3 Jutsus, both combined)
First off let me begin with simply saying the plot was alot different back then, back then it was a Ninja anime, now it's some sort of crossing between Ninja and Saiyans with power levels really unstable, Kishimoto didn't make Hashirama that strong back then, he didn't thought about Rinnegan, he hadn't thought about Tobirama being able to use S/T Ninjutsu, everything was alot different back then, Kishimoto doesn't even know what he wants himself.
Secondly Hashirama couldn't create forests or anything, and for some reason he couldn't create trees in a instant like he's said to do, or basically how he could do. I find that strange, perhaps it's because of the plot changing and the powerlevels increasing?
There was a barrier which prevented Hashirama from using his Mokuton on a full scale, Hashirama also couldn't do Mokuton Clones back then because Kishimoto didn't thought of it yet, because the plot and powerlevels are so much different right now.

All in all, the barrier prevented Hashirama from using his Mokuton on a full scale, powerlevels and plot was alot different back then basically meaning alot of powers and techniques have been added into the Manga which some of them were given to Hashirama and Tobirama.

Re-read my post, there's a picture( Ithink)
Barrier? He can evenly use some of his world tree jutsu. You are not kishi bro so stop acting like you are :sy:

 

[MadaraHashirama]

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LOL what is your point?! He has changed his mind about things in naruto, sure he has probably every second even while he is drawing. But to go as far as stating he had no idea about x and y in part 1 is just foolish. Unless you are kishi

Yes, because Hashirama was using his flowers and Mokuton Clones and Tobirama was using his S/T Ninjutsu.
In Part 1 speed of Handseals did matter, Taijutsu and Kenjutsu (Kunais and Shurikens included) happend way more often, that also includes strategies, now it's standing still spamming meteors (some fights are still good but it happens alot less). It reminds me more of DBZ then Ninjas.

 

[iamdsixth]

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Because Kishi planned everything from the start, every chapter, every power, every character he planned from the start

No dis respect intended but sometimes I think he changes them,,
for example, claiming something indestructible then changes the statement later on after it was destroyed, rendering the byakugan with a complete 360 degree vision then adding a blind spot later on, Tobi was Madara and now who knows??lol, .. Sharingan evolving to Rinnegan,it was stated on the old data book that the final form was the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and was just recently changed after Madara was revealed to evolve his...im sure there is a few more details that were changed while the manga was running.. correct me if Im wrong,,just my opinion.. Good day

 

[iknowwhotobiis]

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Yes, because Hashirama was using his flowers and Mokuton Clones and Tobirama was using his S/T Ninjutsu.
In Part 1 speed of Handseals did matter, Taijutsu and Kenjutsu (Kunais and Shurikens included) happend way more often, that also includes strategies, now it's standing still spamming meteors (some fights are still good but it happens alot less). It reminds me more of DBZ then Ninjas.

so you are kishi?!

if you are not, have you read about the part kabuto said if the edo tensei user does not know the summoned ninja, he cannot use them at their full potential?!

This is was explained when he left deidara with his personality because he has no idea wtf does art is a bang means and all his bang moves

 

[shreben]

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hashirama looks more stronger from so far what we have read in manga