Hiruzen Sarutobi: "The GOD of shinobi" arguments

[MadaraHashirama]

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Re-read my post, there's a picture( Ithink)
Barrier? He can evenly use some of his world tree jutsu. You are not kishi bro so stop acting like you are :sy:

The barrier that Orochimaru's minions created, the barrier that didn't allow anyone to go through from the outside and neither from the inside to go outside, that barrier prevented Hashirama from growing trees on a larger scale

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Notice how none of the trees went through the barrier.
That's my first case cleared up.
You are telling my I am acting like Kishimoto for saying that alot of things have changed (Plot and powerlevels) and how Kishimoto hasn't thought about alot of things back then, 450~ chapters ago, about 8 years~ ago, while you yourself, are making stuff up saying how Kabuto said "No one can surpass Hashirama" or whatever bullcrap you were saying, the picture you THOUGHT you had you basically didn't have.

No dis respect intended but sometimes I think he changes them,,
for example, claiming something indestructible then changes the statement later on after it was destroyed, rendering the byakugan with a complete 360 degree vision then adding a blind spot later on, Tobi was Madara and now who knows??lol, .. Sharingan evolving to Rinnegan,it was stated on the old data book that the final form was the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and was just recently changed after Madara was revealed to evolve his...im sure there is a few more details that were changed while the manga was running.. correct me if Im wrong,,just my opinion.. Good day

Try to find the definition about sarcasm on Wikipedia, go say this to that "iknowwhotobiis" guy because he really believes that.

 

[iknowwhotobiis]

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@ guy above me

he has changed things but you claimed he had no idea about x and y. that is not true unless you are kishi period. But that is irrelevant in the debate at hand. Although the hiruzen is god thingy was stated in part 1, what really matters it is who said it. And it was the academy teacher iruka. So if you follow his words like the bible by all means believe hiruzen > hashi.

 

[MadaraHashirama]

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@ guy above me

he has changed things but you claimed he had no idea about x and y. that is not true unless you are kishi period. But that is irrelevant in the debate at hand. Although the hiruzen is god thingy was stated in part 1, what really matters it is who said it. And it was the academy teacher iruka. So if you follow his words like the bible by all means believe hiruzen > hashi.

I never said anything aside from saying the Plot and powerlevels changed, how for example he high likely didn't know about Rinnegan, its first design was even a different colour and such meaning he "high likely" didn't thought of it before, but actually later on in the manga, it's simply because of the first design of the Rinnegan. If he had, he wouldn't have changed it in the middle of nowhere.
I have never said Hiruzen > Hashirama and I never will unless Kishimoto proves Hiruzen to be worthy that title and show he has a strong KKG or something we have to base of his strength aside from purely hype.

 

[iknowwhotobiis]

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I never said anything aside from saying the Plot and powerlevels changed, how for example he high likely didn't know about Rinnegan, its first design was even a different colour and such meaning he "high likely" didn't thought of it before, but actually later on in the manga, it's simply because of the first design of the Rinnegan. If he had, he wouldn't have changed it in the middle of nowhere.
I have never said Hiruzen > Hashirama and I never will unless Kishimoto proves Hiruzen to be worthy that title and show he has a strong KKG or something we have to base of his strength aside from purely hype.

oh now you are making sense. take a look about what you said before he didn't thought about Rinnegan, he hadn't thought about Tobirama being able to use S/T Ninjutsu, everything was alot different back then, Kishimoto doesn't even know what he wants himself.

now with "high likely" it makes sense

 

[bmnaruto]

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The barrier that Orochimaru's minions created, the barrier that didn't allow anyone to go through from the outside and neither from the inside to go outside, that barrier prevented Hashirama from growing trees on a larger scale

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Notice how none of the trees went through the barrier.
That's my first case cleared up.
You are telling my I am acting like Kishimoto for saying that alot of things have changed (Plot and powerlevels) and how Kishimoto hasn't thought about alot of things back then, 450~ chapters ago, about 8 years~ ago, while you yourself, are making stuff up saying how Kabuto said "No one can surpass Hashirama" or whatever bullcrap you were saying, the picture you THOUGHT you had you basically didn't have.



Try to find the definition about sarcasm on Wikipedia, go say this to that "iknowwhotobiis" guy because he really believes that.

Even though the barrier prevented a large scale of trees do you think that this jutsu is his strongest? better yet use your brain.
I said read the manga so you would know. Kabuto didn't say no one can surpass hashirama. He saild that "No one has yet surpassed Hashirama"
The picture just didn't show up, if it did you're a bs.

 

[MadaraHashirama]

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oh now you are making sense. take a look about what you said before he didn't thought about Rinnegan, he hadn't thought about Tobirama being able to use S/T Ninjutsu, everything was alot different back then, Kishimoto doesn't even know what he wants himself.

now with "high likely" it makes sense

I just made it clear, because if Tobirama could use S/T he would've, to show off the true strength of the previous Hokages, that's one of the reason Kishimoto didn't thought of that before. The Rinnegan part, I really didn't want to bother explaining why I strongly believe Kishimoto didn't think of it earlier, because if you're a actual Naruto fan you should know that the Rinnegan was really weird in comparison to now. Everything alot different was referring to Plot and how battles use to be, real Ninja battles.
It wasn't my point sounding like Kishimoto at all but rather pointing out how everything really was different and how Kishimoto didn't think of alot of things that we have now 300 chapters later. Check out iamdsixth's post:

"No dis respect intended but sometimes I think he changes them,,
for example, claiming something indestructible then changes the statement later on after it was destroyed, rendering the byakugan with a complete 360 degree vision then adding a blind spot later on, Tobi was Madara and now who knows??lol, .. Sharingan evolving to Rinnegan,it was stated on the old data book that the final form was the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and was just recently changed after Madara was revealed to evolve his...im sure there is a few more details that were changed while the manga was running.. correct me if Im wrong,,just my opinion.. Good day"

Pretty much sums up another few things

Even though the barrier prevented a large scale of trees do you think that this jutsu is his strongest? better yet use your brain.
I said read the manga so you would know. Kabuto didn't say no one can surpass hashirama. He saild that "No one has yet surpassed Hashirama"
The picture just didn't show up, if it did you're a bs.

I never said his Jutsu was the strongest I said if the barrier wasn't there he could use the Mokuton at its full potential, creating alot bigger and more trees, on a full scale, which infact is much more dangerous as it can catch and trap you in easier and it can inflict much more damage. In the barrier he could create like 1 tree just giving an example
while if the barrier was much bigger or actually there wasn't a barrier at all he could create a whole forest, which one is more effective?

Now you are seriously making up crap, post the Manga chapter where Kabuto says so

 

[Nadruto]

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It has already been stated that Hiruzen is the strongest hokage in the manga. And Kishimoto has said himself that Hiruzen and Minato shares the spot as the strongest of the dead shinobi in the series. So I don't really see any use in continuing this debate, for me it is clear who is the strongest. Hiruzen Sarutobi ftw!

 

[bmnaruto]

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Go to this site and look what kabuto said.

 

[Wakizashi]

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im going by manga and manga says that hiruzen was the god of shinobi so hiruzen is stronger!!

 

[MadaraHashirama]

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Go to this site and look what kabuto said.

If my eyes are correct then they show me Kabuto saying: "There aren't any ninjas on the same level of The First Hokage Senju Hashirama anymore"

Simply, the Ninjas who were on his level aren't there anymore (they're dead)

Pretty sure you were putting words into Kabuto's mouth.

 

[bmnaruto]

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im going by manga and manga says that hiruzen was the god of shinobi so hiruzen is stronger!!

Being the god of shinobi means that one masters it all. It doesn't make him stronger. Do you think hiruzen can handle tailed beasts + madara?
It is stated in the previous chapters that madara called the 5 kages weak so that makes hiruzen weaker and he also said that they were nothing compared to hashirama and madara in their prime.

 

[bmnaruto]

Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

If my eyes are correct then they show me Kabuto saying: "There aren't any ninjas on the same level of The First Hokage Senju Hashirama anymore"

Simply, the Ninjas who were on his level aren't there anymore (they're dead)

Pretty sure you were putting words into Kabuto's mouth.

But he also said that his strength is a fairytale right? so it means he is very strong. Do you think that hiruzen is at hashirama's level when he was still alive? better think man.

 

[MadaraHashirama]

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But he also said that his strength is a fairytale right? so it means he is very strong. Do you think that hiruzen is at hashirama's level when he was still alive? better think man.

You're trying to make me sound dumb while you are the one making up stuff to support Hashirama. They consider him a fairy tale because of how powerful he was indeed but that doesn't mean he is the strongest of them all, I never said and I never will say that Hiruzen is stronger then Hashirama unless Kishimoto proves so by giving Hiruzen a really powerful KKG/Ability or whatever, just something we can say that'll support Hiruzen's power aside from words.

"I have never said Hiruzen > Hashirama and I never will unless Kishimoto proves Hiruzen to be worthy that title and show he has a strong KKG or something we have to base of his strength aside from purely hype. "

Exactly what I've said before.
Stop putting words into other people's mouth, just because I'm correcting what nonsense you are saying doesn't mean I believe Hiruzen is stronger.:flaw:

 

[iamdsixth]

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Heads up guys! Hashirama's profile had been recently edited. Here is the link:

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Read the abilities area and let me know what you think.Earlier on this thread,I had a question on who in the manga claimed that Hiruzen was the strongest.The obvious answer from you guys is "IRUKA".Thus your claim of Hiruzen to be the strongest of all time. On the link provided ,Madara Uchiha claims Hashirama Senju to be the strongest.(please check link) Now let us be fair to the Sarutobi fans. I did mention about Iruka's claim questionable due to the fact that he never witnessed Hashirama nor Tobirama in battle. But neigther did Madara witness Hiruzen on his prime perform in battle. Now my question is:
Who's word are you going to take?
Iruka Sensei?
or Uchiha Madara? .

 

[iknowwhotobiis]

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Heads up guys! Hashirama's profile had been recently edited. Here is the link:

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Read the abilities area and let me know what you think.Earlier on this thread,I had a question on who in the manga claimed that Hiruzen was the strongest.The obvious answer from you guys is "IRUKA".Thus your claim of Hiruzen to be the strongest of all time. On the link provided ,Madara Uchiha claims Hashirama Senju to be the strongest.(please check link) Now let us be fair to the Sarutobi fans. I did mention about Iruka's claim questionable due to the fact that he never witnessed Hashirama nor Tobirama in battle. But neigther did Madara witness Hiruzen on his prime perform in battle. Now my question is:
Who's word are you going to take?
Iruka Sensei?
or Uchiha Madara? .

that is my point but ffs change the size

 

[iamdsixth]

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that is my point but ffs change the size

Sorry,will do

 

[MasatoUchiha]

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we'll see when Tobi summons Hiruzen.

He can't because he was sealed by the Grim Reaper

 

[Soranokenja]

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Oh my God.Obviously you did not read my post before writing down a reply.Look again and I will quote myself ,,
-"we actually gauge both characters by how powerful their opponents are"Nobody said anything about Madara and Hashirama's actual battle.
To make it even clear for you if you still dont understand, WE GET AN IDEA OF HOW STRONG HASHIRAMA IS BY WITNESSING UCHIHA MADARA's CAPABILITIES IN THE RECENT CHAPTERS. If you still dont get,,let me try this.IF I HAD A DRAG CAR THAT IS CAPABLE OF RUNNING 10 SECOND PASSES AND I LOST TO ANOTHER CAR,WOULD YOU NOT GET AN IDEA OF HOW FAST THE OTHER CAR I LOST TO IS? Yes! right!! The other car i lost to should be running less than 10seconds.Is it not an idea?Same concept with Madara Uchiha. Now that we have witnessed his capabilities in battle,we have an idea of what capabilities the shinobi that beat him who is Hashirama. I suggest you read first before you post.I am assuming all you read was Hashirama Vs. Madara and totaly missed the point on it was just used to get an "IDEA"of how strong Hashirama is.Nothing more nothing less.

You know, I was going to read, but then I saw your overly dramatized font, need for attention, and words of insult. You need to learn how to use respect in your posts if you actually want people to listen to your opinion.

 

[assasinitachi123]

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hiruzen was strong ofcouse... i mean he took head on with shodai and niadime hokage(edo tensei) both at once.....
but the fact that they being orochi's summoning, they were a lil carefree and weak...

Edo Tensie Madara Uchiha said himself that no one present was stronger than hashirama...

If hiruzen was more powerful then everyone would have been after hiruzen's cells not Hashirama's cells.... think of it....
my view..... Hashirama was strongest....

 

[Soranokenja]

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You know, I was going to read, but then I saw your overly dramatized font, need for attention, and words of insult. You are an incomprehensibly inflated egotistical, attention seeking bitch and you need to learn how to use etiquette and respect in your posts if you actually want people to listen to your opinion.

^ I realize this is rude, I don't give etiquette and respect if I don't get.