Konoha can beat Pain w/o Naruto
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oh on the manga kishi wrote, deva path and kakashi never said that.
good I missed that part, but still deva didn't say he would get screwed.Really?
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he lose half of his chakra making that clone, I doubt kakashi would beat deva before his chakra runs out.
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TheSupremeKing
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That's a lot of houses flying out of Konoha 0_o
LOL Pain flew like 200 to 300 feet above that's why he succeeded in destroying Hidden Leaf.
It's been a while since I read the manga for the pein invasion, but I just watched the anime for it recently.
Go re watch episode 159 and everything I said will be there. All though it seems like someone already beat me to it and provided a manga link as well.
I already admit I missed the part about kakashi but still pain never said he'd get screwed by that lightning clone if it wasn't for asura path, go reread manga. and it wasn't the clone that destroyed the path, its choza.
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Itachi Namikaze
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Not even close. It amazes me how much Nagato is being underrated and Kakashi and Guy are overrated. Guy would get killed like a punk, just like Kakashi did, and Tsunade got put into a coma.
That post is so bad that you almost deserve an infraction for it.
On thread Konoha could have won if Danzo and Root had joined in, and there had been a unified effort. It would have required many sacrifices, but with more people they could have taken advantage of the 5 second interval of shinra tensei.
l3m0npl3dg3
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- I was talking about the Paths, not Nagato.
- Kakashi almost killed Deva Path with help from Choza and Choji, so i don't see why it's impossible for you.
- And except from Deva Paths, i see konoha being able to deal with the others without so much problems.
Noobastank
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Agreed. If guy and his team were there then it would have been different. guys team [LEE NEJI and HIMSELF..**** tenten] could have killed the preta path and human path before helping kakashi defeat deva path. the other three paths can be taken care of by the rest of konoha imo.
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Itachi Namikaze
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You said Guy and Kakashi. Those two alone have no chance against either the Paths or Nagato.
If you are talking about Konoha and Guy and Kakashi then sure, but Guy and Kakashi by themselves can't take either Nagato or Pain.
P.S. Kakashi almost killed deva, emphasis on almost. He didn't though, he he died, and his death ended up being 100% meaningless as the other paths were revived anyway. That is all Nagato needs to do anyway, is protect that path.
It was not meaningless because he is the one who saw through Devas weakness and without that, Naruto would have been captured for sure.
Alone, Kakashi(without infos at the start) managed to outsmart Deva and Asura Path 2times:
- With the raiton kage bunshin. At that moment, Deva was not on his guard. I think he had good chances to kill him at that time if he wanted. Anyway for Asura Path it was almost over at that time since he could get him with the raikiri he had prepared.
- The second time is when he did made a plan with the help of Choza and Choji. There again he could have killed Deva.
That shows that he could have deal with them alone even without infos, so with infos before, he could make a better plan to win this. And don't forget he didn't even used kamui at that time. I don't see what Deva Path or Asura Path could do against that. And if Kakashi needs help he could get support from Gai and Tsunade(better support than Choza and Choji).
With infos, they will know before fighting what is the speciality of which Pain, and will make a good strategy to fight them.
Gai could deal with Gakido, and the one who revives other(who is the weakest Pain).
Tsunade could handle animal Path and the other one who takes souls.
That's why i think the 3of them could beat Pains if they have infos before.
I think you're the one who overestimate Pain or underrate Kakashi, Gai, and Tsunade.
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Henchman24
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Guy, Kakashi, Lee, Tsunade, Sakura, Shikamaru, Choji, and Neji would still lose against the Six Paths of Pain. They lack the required strength to defeat the summons of the animal path and deal with Deva path at the same time. Deva path makes taijutsu useless. Preta path will absorb any ninjutsu. Animal path will keep most of the other shinobi too busy. If in the event that any one of the six paths are taken down, the naraka path will recover them. Asura path could just rain down bombs. Naruto only won that fight because Kurama took control forcing Pain to use his most powerful techniques.
noPain noPeace
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I say it would be a tie without Naruto even with all of Konoha. The fight that "Nagato" put up against Naruto's dissolving seal shows his power. Add the planetary devastation, along with reviving all of the Leaf, he had an immense amount of chakra left to accomplish such a feat. So the best Konoha could do is kill him and have maybe a survivor or 2 (maybe a few). Plus Konan was ready to jump in!!!
Naraka path would get his ass beat by Hiashi. If he's noob enough to lose to Konohamaru, he has no chance against the strongest Hyuuga. Preta path's fat ass was running away from Kiba and his mother because it can't handle taijutsu and if Lee took off his weights to chase it down or open gates, he's dead meat too. I strongly believe Kakashi and Gai could handle Asura and Deva path. With those four paths taken care of, a number of shinobi could deal with the human path and after they could gang up on animal realm. Animal realms summons aren't unbeatable either. The only one that is a problem is the cerebus summon but the rest were mostly soloed by Jiraiya when he wasn't even in sage mode yet.
Also, what? Naruto was winning that fight thanks to sage mode. The only thing Kyuubi really did was help him break free but in the end Deva path was finished off by a rasengan followed by having the chakra emitters removed, not Naruto in his six tailed state. Don't see how forcing Nagato to use his most powerful technique's is a downside for him. He apparently had enough chakra to revive the dead of Konoha anyway.
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