Tobi can't phase through Shinra Tensei, Banshō Ten'in, and Chibaku Tensei

[Shin Zangetsu]

How do you know Tobi was floating? It was a manga. As I've said before, Tobi can control gravity only on the ground. Tobi can phase through the ground and move freely under the Earth which is the power of gravity. BUT Tobi can not do that in the air. If Tobi could do it then he would be able to float and fly wherever.

Why in the world would you say he could only control gravity when he's on the ground and not in the air? Explain it in detail because you're not making sense. Gravity is gravity regardless of where you are. And once again no he wouldn't be able to fly wherever. Floating =/= and it's inconvenient. It implies lack of control and moving about on the ground is much better.

 

[Kristjan]

Tobi is NOT ABLE to phase through Shinra Tensei, Banshō Ten'in, and Chibaku Tensei

You got some proof to backup your statement

 

[neowisdom]

Why in the world would you say he could only control gravity when he's on the ground and not in the air? Explain it in detail because you're not making sense. Gravity is gravity regardless of where you are. And once again no he wouldn't be able to fly wherever. Floating =/= and it's inconvenient. It implies lack of control and moving about on the ground is much better.

Think of it this way, when Tobi is intangible he will phase through the ground. Without gravity control Tobi would fall to the core of the Earth. BUT Tobi can control gravity while his feet are on the ground. SO Tobi will then use his gravity control to move underground freely (left, right, up, down). If Tobi can use that gravity control in the air then he would be able to float and fly in any direction while intangible.

My logic is that during the Konan fight Tobi did not fly into the water to avoid Konan's exploding tags and since he's underwater Konan's paper ability would be less effective and Tobi could teleport away. Tobi did not fly into the water and teleport away during the Konan fight so my conclusion is that Tobi can't control gravity above ground.

 

[neowisdom]

You got some proof to backup your statement

That's funny. You should read my other posts. :flaw:

 

[Yanto]

That's funny. You should read my other posts. :flaw:

those weren't proof

 

[mat2720]

Ok im sorry dude i take back what i said about u admitting your wrong... yur taking it to far now... if u make a thread your meant to actually consider other people being right -_- ur the one who asked our opinions u have to at least give them some thought instead of sticking to what u think is right -_-

 

[neowisdom]

those weren't proof

You should read my first post. I edited some things to make it easier to understand.

 

[neowisdom]

Ok im sorry dude i take back what i said about u admitting your wrong... yur taking it to far now... if u make a thread your meant to actually consider other people being right -_- ur the one who asked our opinions u have to at least give them some thought instead of sticking to what u think is right -_-

I consider everything people say before posting. I know that I could be wrong but so far the evidence I see says that Tobi can't control gravity above ground. In the Konan fight, if someone can explain to me why Tobi didn't just fly and phase through the water and escape the exploding tags then I will admit that I'm wrong. Until then, I will stick to my opinion that Tobi can't control gravity above ground and so he's vulnerable to Shinra Tensei, Banshō Ten'in, and Chibaku Tensei.

 

[LEAU92]

actually i have to disagree with this, when you de-materialize yourself it means you eliminate any sort of solid matter in your body, almost as if you werent actually there, thing is tobi still maintains solid form which confuses me.. Shinra Tensei and Bansho Tenin work like magnets, push and pull.. In order for a magnet to work it needs to push and pull solid matter (by solid matter i mean anything with shape or form)..

People describe Tobi's technique with the word 'intangible'

dictionary definition
Unable to be touched or grasped; not having physical presence

if something is intangible it doesnt have any physical presence therefore it can't be affected by anything (because its not actually there).

 

[neowisdom]

actually i have to disagree with this, when you de-materialize yourself it means you eliminate any sort of solid matter in your body, almost as if you werent actually there, thing is tobi still maintains solid form which confuses me.. Shinra Tensei and Bansho Tenin work like magnets, push and pull.. In order for a magnet to work it needs to push and pull solid matter (by solid matter i mean anything with shape or form)..

People describe Tobi's technique with the word 'intangible'

dictionary definition
Unable to be touched or grasped; not having physical presence

if something is intangible it doesnt have any physical presence therefore it can't be affected by anything (because its not actually there).

I think Shinra Tensei and Banshō Ten'in work more like the user is the planet and they can either condense the gravity and push it for an attack (Shinra Tensei) or just pull stuff in like a normal planet (Banshō Ten'in). Tobi's presence was still affected by gravity during the Konan fight when he was falling while intantible in the middle of the water.

 

[Retsu]

actually i have to disagree with this, when you de-materialize yourself it means you eliminate any sort of solid matter in your body, almost as if you werent actually there, thing is tobi still maintains solid form which confuses me.. Shinra Tensei and Bansho Tenin work like magnets, push and pull.. In order for a magnet to work it needs to push and pull solid matter (by solid matter i mean anything with shape or form)..

People describe Tobi's technique with the word 'intangible'

dictionary definition
Unable to be touched or grasped; not having physical presence

if something is intangible it doesnt have any physical presence therefore it can't be affected by anything (because its not actually there).

Dunno, deva path is gravitational pull, it may or may not work, but seeing as when he's intangible, he doesn't float off the earth, I'd say it has a strong possibility of grasping him anyways

 

[LEAU92]

I think Shinra Tensei and Banshō Ten'in work more like the user is the planet and they can either condense the gravity and push it for an attack (Shinra Tensei) or just pull stuff in like a normal planet (Banshō Ten'in). Tobi's presence was still affected by gravity during the Konan fight when he was falling while intantible in the middle of the water.

hmmmm, if this was the case, then i wouldve thought nagato would have done something about tobi a long time ago, but im thinkn nagato knows that he's no match for tobi.. Everyone knows that in order for you to even stand a chance against him is to know that your techniques are solid enough to work on him.. if you dont however, it means your attacks are futile.. since nagato didnt do anything to stop him, im thinkn he knew his techniques were useless..

 

[arv993]

Summons can attack.

yea ok tobi is so slow that he can't teleport away from summons. ur underrating the speed of his teleportation

 

[neowisdom]

hmmmm, if this was the case, then i wouldve thought nagato would have done something about tobi a long time ago, but im thinkn nagato knows that he's no match for tobi.. Everyone knows that in order for you to even stand a chance against him is to know that your techniques are solid enough to work on him.. if you dont however, it means your attacks are futile.. since nagato didnt do anything to stop him, im thinkn he knew his techniques were useless..

There was no reason for Nagato to fight Tobi at the time. They were on the same side. Nagato only turned on Tobi after he met Naruto. Nagato died right after turning against Tobi so they could never fight.

 

[neowisdom]

yea ok tobi is so slow that he can't teleport away from summons. ur underrating the speed of his teleportation

I'm just saying it's a possibility assuming that the summons used are fast enough to attack Tobi. You can't just simply assume that Tobi can teleport faster than all summons.

 

[naruto005]

possible, +rep

 

[mat2720]

I consider everything people say before posting. I know that I could be wrong but so far the evidence I see says that Tobi can't control gravity above ground. In the Konan fight, if someone can explain to me why Tobi didn't just fly and phase through the water and escape the exploding tags then I will admit that I'm wrong. Until then, I will stick to my opinion that Tobi can't control gravity above ground and so he's vulnerable to Shinra Tensei, Banshō Ten'in, and Chibaku Tensei.

But u have absolutely no proof at all XD all u have is speculation and guess work, and a page in the manga which u think backs up your theory but actually confuses it more. And everything people posts on here u shrug your shoulders and mumble on about how your right.

FACE IT you are wrong, the majority of the people who have posted here think the same. People like you who have things stuck into their head are pointless even trying to reason with -_-

 

[LEAU92]

There was no reason for Nagato to fight Tobi at the time. They were on the same side. Tobi said himself that Nagato agreed with the Eye of the Moon Plan. Nagato only turned on Tobi after he met Naruto. Nagato died right after turning against Tobi so they could never fight.

If nagato knew he was stronger than him then he wouldn't be taking orders from him, he would've taken charge from the very start

 

[Baka Sennin]

The fact that Tobi can't manipulate gravity itself doesn't mean that attacks using gravity will affect him per se. He can obviously avoid ct by warping as soon as the pull starts. You do make an interesting point about shinra tensei and bansho tenin, specifically bansho tenin, as that directly simulates gravity whereas shinra tensei is more of a shockwave, which i think can be phased through.

Anyway, to sum up Tobi's space/time intangibility, he sends his body to another dimension. meaning that there's no part of him in the physical realm, and as such can't be affected by physical attacks or ninjutsu. Personally, I think that Tobi has some sort of anchor outside his body that keeps him connected with the physical realm, so he's immune to all sorts of attacks unless that anchor is destroyed.

 

[mat2720]

If nagato knew he was stronger than him then he wouldn't be taking orders from him, he would've taken charge from the very start

Actually i dont even remember tobi telling nagato about the moon of the eye plan, what i remember him agreeing to was the plan for making money, stealing the tailed beasts, and then creating a weapon to hire out to the ninja villages to gain peace through fear. Once again this dude is trying to justify what he doesnt know -_-