Why Tobi can be VERY efficient with the Rinnegan

[Princeton]

Tobi can be better with it than Madara due to his intangibility patching up any of the Rinnegan's weaknesses.

Naw tobi will always be behind madara

 

[9Bijuu]

I'd say that Edo Madara = Tobi in use because immortality and intangibility both patch up any flaws.

As for Nagato, I'd say that Tobi has higher chakra reserves than him. And he's had the Rinnegan before, thus he also has experience with it. I'd say he's better than Nagato with the Rinnegan for sure, for my reasons above. One being Nagato lacking mobility.




Tobi has more Rinnegan feats than Madara.

Tobi has no rinnegan feats, we've seen him control the six paths but let's look at a Madara feat...

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Blows Tobi straight out of the water, easily competes with Nagato. Sorry but Tobi hasn't shown much prowess with the rinnegan yet, he just treats it like it's made for puppets. Also, immortality and infinite chakra is FAR better than temporary intangibility which has beaten at least three times in the manga so far (Minato hit him with rasengan, Konan almost killed him with paper tags, one of Danzo's men hit him with special insects and forced him to cut his arm off).

 

[MrLukyso]

Totally Disagree, why ?
1. Rinnegan is Madaras Kekke genkai, Tobi doesn't have kekke genkai it's same as Kakashi has Sharingan, but he is not an uchiha.
2. Tobi doesn't know all Rinnegan secrets, and specially he doesn't know all the jutsus of Rinnegan.
3. Tobi is using Madaras Rinnegan you think he can do it better than the strongest Uchiha ? - Don't think so.
4. Also Madara has more feats, Madara progressed BEYOND ems and awakened Rinnegan, he knows all the secrets, powers, and weaknesses of it, Tobi doesn't.
5. Madara has best knowlage in all Narutoverse about Uchiha.
6. Gedo Mazo is originally Madaras summon.
7. Madara > Nagato > Tobi.

Let's also don't forget who actually created Tobi and who gave Nagato and Tobi the Rinnegan ? - Ofcourse Madara Uchiha.. I would agree with you if Tobi would have any understanding of it, knowlage, experience.. But he doesn't have any feats or any knowlage, he knows as much as Nagato, NO MORE.

 

[TobisPawn]

Totally Disagree, why ?
1. Rinnegan is Madaras Kekke genkai, Tobi doesn't have kekke genkai it's same as Kakashi has Sharingan, but he is not an uchiha.
2. Tobi doesn't know all Rinnegan secrets, and specially he doesn't know all the jutsus of Rinnegan.
3. Tobi is using Madaras Rinnegan you think he can do it better than the strongest Uchiha ? - Don't think so.
4. Also Madara has more feats, Madara progressed BEYOND ems and awakened Rinnegan, he knows all the secrets, powers, and weaknesses of it, Tobi doesn't.
5. Madara has best knowlage in all Narutoverse about Uchiha.
6. Gedo Mazo is originally Madaras summon.
7. Madara > Nagato > Tobi.

Let's also don't forget who actually created Tobi and who gave Nagato and Tobi the Rinnegan ? - Ofcourse Madara Uchiha.. I would agree with you if Tobi would have any understanding of it, knowlage, experience.. But he doesn't have any feats or any knowlage, he knows as much as Nagato, NO MORE

1. Tobi has the Rinnegan. Therefore he has a kekke genkai...
2. He's the smartest character in the Naruto world. He knows pretty much every secret of the Rinnegan AND Sharingan. Explain his S/T techs.
3. We're not certain if its Madara's Rinnegan. And yes, he can use it better than Madara.
4. Do you know what a feat is? Tobi's controlled 6 bijuus and controlled Gedo Mazo flawlessly. Madara has used Preta Path and summoned a meteor. I'd say they're even in feats.
5. No, Tobi does.
6. Who says? Don't sprout lies.
7. Tobi>Madara>Nagato.


And it has never been stated that Madara created Tobi. Another theory that hasn't been proved. And what the hell? Do you even know how smart Tobi is? Its tough arguing with someone as one-sided as you...


Did you even read my post? I'm talking about why Tobi can be extremely good with the Rinnegan.

Tobi has no rinnegan feats, we've seen him control the six paths but let's look at a Madara feat...

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Blows Tobi straight out of the water, easily competes with Nagato. Sorry but Tobi hasn't shown much prowess with the rinnegan yet, he just treats it like it's made for puppets. Also, immortality and infinite chakra is FAR better than temporary intangibility which has beaten at least three times in the manga so far (Minato hit him with rasengan, Konan almost killed him with paper tags, one of Danzo's men hit him with special insects and forced him to cut his arm off).

You don't get it...

The Rinnegan patches up his intangibility's flaws and his intangibility patches up the Rinnegan's flaws.

 

[9Bijuu]

1. Tobi has the Rinnegan. Therefore he has a kekke genkai...
2. He's the smartest character in the Naruto world. He knows pretty much every secret of the Rinnegan AND Sharingan. Explain his S/T techs.
3. We're not certain if its Madara's Rinnegan. And yes, he can use it better than Madara.
4. Do you know what a feat is? Tobi's controlled 6 bijuus and controlled Gedo Mazo flawlessly. Madara has used Preta Path and summoned a meteor. I'd say they're even in feats.
5. No, Tobi does.
6. Who says? Don't sprout lies.
7. Tobi>Madara>Nagato.


And it has never been stated that Madara created Tobi. Another theory that hasn't been proved. And what the hell? Do you even know how smart Tobi is? Its tough arguing with someone as one-sided as you...


Did you even read my post? I'm talking about why Tobi can be extremely good with the Rinnegan.




You don't get it...

The Rinnegan patches up his intangibility's flaws and his intangibility patches up the Rinnegan's flaws.

It doesn't. Even with his intangibility he gets hit more than the average character and shinra tensei and the other techniques drain his chakra far too quickly for him to use it well.

 

[TobisPawn]

It doesn't. Even with his intangibility he gets hit more than the average character and shinra tensei and the other techniques drain his chakra far too quickly for him to use it well.

Where has it been stated that the Rinnegan techs drain his chakra? And he's been hit twice. More than the average character? He aloud himself to get hit one of those times too.

 

[9Bijuu]

Where has it been stated that the Rinnegan techs drain his chakra? And he's been hit twice. More than the average character? He aloud himself to get hit one of those times too.

He's been hit four times without letting himself get hit - once by Danzo's guard, once by Konan, once by Minato's rasengan, and once by Itachi's implanted amaterasu that was inside of Sasuke. Sorry but his intangibility is being heavily over-estimated here, it's incredible and all but it's not perfect. Also, he agreed with Kakashi on the fact that the reason he wasn't using any path / rinnegan powers was because he had to conserve chakra. Please re-read the Naruto/Tobi fight and Sasuke/Tobi catching up to Danzo after the five kage summit it should make this more clear.

I'm not insulting your idea, he's definitely got potential to be great with the rinnegan but we've seen nothing to indicate that yet other than the fact that he learned how to make the six paths move and use jutsu fairly quickly.

 

[ItachIGOD22]

I'd say that Edo Madara = Tobi in use because immortality and intangibility both patch up any flaws.

As for Nagato, I'd say that Tobi has higher chakra reserves than him. And he's had the Rinnegan before, thus he also has experience with it. I'd say he's better than Nagato with the Rinnegan for sure, for my reasons above. One being Nagato lacking mobility.




Tobi has more Rinnegan feats than Madara.

tobi has more rinnegan feats??? what feats did he show?? controlling his six paths?? besides that tobi has nothing to show more rinnegan skills....while madara show the ninjutsu sucking thing...and the meteorite tech.......and rinnegan is natural to madara it is his sharingan that evolves to rinnegan while i think the rinnegan of tobi is just a gift to him by madara

 

[Beetle]

Totally Disagree, why ?
1. Rinnegan is Madaras Kekke genkai, Tobi doesn't have kekke genkai it's same as Kakashi has Sharingan, but he is not an uchiha.
2. Tobi doesn't know all Rinnegan secrets, and specially he doesn't know all the jutsus of Rinnegan.
3. Tobi is using Madaras Rinnegan you think he can do it better than the strongest Uchiha ? - Don't think so.
4. Also Madara has more feats, Madara progressed BEYOND ems and awakened Rinnegan, he knows all the secrets, powers, and weaknesses of it, Tobi doesn't.
5. Madara has best knowlage in all Narutoverse about Uchiha.
6. Gedo Mazo is originally Madaras summon.
7. Madara > Nagato > Tobi.

Let's also don't forget who actually created Tobi and who gave Nagato and Tobi the Rinnegan ? - Ofcourse Madara Uchiha.. I would agree with you if Tobi would have any understanding of it, knowlage, experience.. But he doesn't have any feats or any knowlage, he knows as much as Nagato, NO MORE.

Where do you get this shit?

1. We don't know who Tobi is, but he keeps his sharingan active every time we've seen it. Sasuke doesn't even do that right now. Therefore it's a safer to assume Tobi is compatible with sharingan, and in turn, rinnegan. Nagato wasn't Uchiha, so I guess he shouldn't have been compatible with Rinnegan?

2. Tobi lead Akatsuki with Pain who showed all the Rinnegan jutsu against Naruto. Zetsu watched the fight and recorded it, so Tobi could see it again as he has suggested. If that's not enough, shortly after he implanted it he was thinking of using human path on Yamato. He's currently using it to control the jinchuuriki bodies. I guess that's not enough for him to know the jutsus of rinnegan?

3. Madara awakened rinnegan shortly before he died. How much time do you think he had to develop it? Nagato is not an Uchiha, yet he used the Rinnegan to its potential, so how does being an Uchiha make the Rinnegan stronger?

4. I guess your right, Tobi doesn't know anything about the Rinnegan's secrets or powers. He's only used it to sync with Gedo Mazo, control the edo-jinchuuriki bodies plus the bijuu, and what I mentioned in #2. This is all assuming he hadn't used or watched closely the Rinnegan in the past, which seems likely if you think about it.

5. Really? Does he know about the powers of Kakashi's or Shisui's Mangekyo Sharingan? Does he know Sasuke can control Amaterasu? Or Itachi's Yata Mirror or Totsuka Sword? Sure Tobi may or may not know about specific Uchiha in the past (as he knew Madara it's likely he would), but it's not practical in a fight currently.

6. Huh? if you can find when Madara even mentioned knowing about Gedo Mazo, or anywhere Gedo Mazo was used in relation to Madara.. I'm all ears.

And to your paragraph at the end.. please explain what the other secrets of the Rinnegan are that Tobi and Madara apparently don't know. Also, even if Tobi was created by Madara, how does that make him weaker with using the Rinnegan? Itachi was created by Fugaku and Mikoto.. is he weaker than them with the Sharingan? Does he know less about the Sharingan than them?

Sure it's possible Madara is better with Rinnegan than Tobi, but there's no logical way to make the assumption at this point.

 

[ReapTermin]

I think that Tobi is actually using the Beast's chakra to enhance his Jutsus. That's my theory. As fo the Rinnegan... it might have been his.

 

[naruto s06p beastmode]

Where do you get this shit?

1. We don't know who Tobi is, but he keeps his sharingan active every time we've seen it. Sasuke doesn't even do that right now. Therefore it's a safer to assume Tobi is compatible with sharingan, and in turn, rinnegan. Nagato wasn't Uchiha, so I guess he shouldn't have been compatible with Rinnegan?

2. Tobi lead Akatsuki with Pain who showed all the Rinnegan jutsu against Naruto. Zetsu watched the fight and recorded it, so Tobi could see it again as he has suggested. If that's not enough, shortly after he implanted it he was thinking of using human path on Yamato. He's currently using it to control the jinchuuriki bodies. I guess that's not enough for him to know the jutsus of rinnegan?

3. Madara awakened rinnegan shortly before he died. How much time do you think he had to develop it? Nagato is not an Uchiha, yet he used the Rinnegan to its potential, so how does being an Uchiha make the Rinnegan stronger?

4. I guess your right, Tobi doesn't know anything about the Rinnegan's secrets or powers. He's only used it to sync with Gedo Mazo, control the edo-jinchuuriki bodies plus the bijuu, and what I mentioned in #2. This is all assuming he hadn't used or watched closely the Rinnegan in the past, which seems likely if you think about it.

5. Really? Does he know about the powers of Kakashi's or Shisui's Mangekyo Sharingan? Does he know Sasuke can control Amaterasu? Or Itachi's Yata Mirror or Totsuka Sword? Sure Tobi may or may not know about specific Uchiha in the past (as he knew Madara it's likely he would), but it's not practical in a fight currently.

6. Huh? if you can find when Madara even mentioned knowing about Gedo Mazo, or anywhere Gedo Mazo was used in relation to Madara.. I'm all ears.

And to your paragraph at the end.. please explain what the other secrets of the Rinnegan are that Tobi and Madara apparently don't know. Also, even if Tobi was created by Madara, how does that make him weaker with using the Rinnegan? Itachi was created by Fugaku and Mikoto.. is he weaker than them with the Sharingan? Does he know less about the Sharingan than them?

Sure it's possible Madara is better with Rinnegan than Tobi, but there's no logical way to make the assumption at this point.

id say tobis sharingan is like kakashis its probably implanted thats why it never fades away because if u seen kakashi always has his headband over his sharingan and in wich case he can let it rest were in tobis case he has the mask on he can easily have more chakra than kakashi to have it on but he does sometimes close his eye or just makes it look were theres no hole in the mask but yes i think its like kakashis

 

[TobisPawn]

He's been hit four times without letting himself get hit - once by Danzo's guard, once by Konan, once by Minato's rasengan, and once by Itachi's implanted amaterasu that was inside of Sasuke. Sorry but his intangibility is being heavily over-estimated here, it's incredible and all but it's not perfect. Also, he agreed with Kakashi on the fact that the reason he wasn't using any path / rinnegan powers was because he had to conserve chakra. Please re-read the Naruto/Tobi fight and Sasuke/Tobi catching up to Danzo after the five kage summit it should make this more clear.

I'm not insulting your idea, he's definitely got potential to be great with the rinnegan but we've seen nothing to indicate that yet other than the fact that he learned how to make the six paths move and use jutsu fairly quickly.

Of course he wouldn't use the Rinnegan techs when he's wasting chakra already controlling the beasts, as he even stated in the manga. Now that they're gone and he can wreak havoc with his Rinnegan techs. Its obvious he can use the Rinnegan techs though. And now he has all the more reason to, seeing that his paths are gone.

As for him getting hit:
1. Minato-->No one could have dodged that. If it was anyone other then Minato, Tobi would have won.
2. Itachi--->He pretty much negated the attack right away. And he wasn't suspecting in, yet he still survived without a scratch. I don't see how this counts as a hit.
3. Konan--->I'll give you that. But it was a a double-edged sword for Konan. She would have died if he took the whole hit. Also Tobi underestimated her. If he was going all out, he would have just dodged the attack.
4. Danzo's guard--->He let himself get hit to absorb him. And he didn't really get hit. More like his arm was poisoned after touching him.

As for your last paragraph, Tobi's also been shown to control Gedo Mazo flawlessly. He's been able to control and surpress 6 Bijuus with minimal chakra drain and fatigue. And he mastered the Rinnegan way faster than Nagato did.

Where do you get this shit?

1. We don't know who Tobi is, but he keeps his sharingan active every time we've seen it. Sasuke doesn't even do that right now. Therefore it's a safer to assume Tobi is compatible with sharingan, and in turn, rinnegan. Nagato wasn't Uchiha, so I guess he shouldn't have been compatible with Rinnegan?

2. Tobi lead Akatsuki with Pain who showed all the Rinnegan jutsu against Naruto. Zetsu watched the fight and recorded it, so Tobi could see it again as he has suggested. If that's not enough, shortly after he implanted it he was thinking of using human path on Yamato. He's currently using it to control the jinchuuriki bodies. I guess that's not enough for him to know the jutsus of rinnegan?

3. Madara awakened rinnegan shortly before he died. How much time do you think he had to develop it? Nagato is not an Uchiha, yet he used the Rinnegan to its potential, so how does being an Uchiha make the Rinnegan stronger?

4. I guess your right, Tobi doesn't know anything about the Rinnegan's secrets or powers. He's only used it to sync with Gedo Mazo, control the edo-jinchuuriki bodies plus the bijuu, and what I mentioned in #2. This is all assuming he hadn't used or watched closely the Rinnegan in the past, which seems likely if you think about it.

5. Really? Does he know about the powers of Kakashi's or Shisui's Mangekyo Sharingan? Does he know Sasuke can control Amaterasu? Or Itachi's Yata Mirror or Totsuka Sword? Sure Tobi may or may not know about specific Uchiha in the past (as he knew Madara it's likely he would), but it's not practical in a fight currently.

6. Huh? if you can find when Madara even mentioned knowing about Gedo Mazo, or anywhere Gedo Mazo was used in relation to Madara.. I'm all ears.

And to your paragraph at the end.. please explain what the other secrets of the Rinnegan are that Tobi and Madara apparently don't know. Also, even if Tobi was created by Madara, how does that make him weaker with using the Rinnegan? Itachi was created by Fugaku and Mikoto.. is he weaker than them with the Sharingan? Does he know less about the Sharingan than them?

Sure it's possible Madara is better with Rinnegan than Tobi, but there's no logical way to make the assumption at this point.

Nice counterargument. I was getting sick of arguing with that guy.

id say tobis sharingan is like kakashis its probably implanted thats why it never fades away because if u seen kakashi always has his headband over his sharingan and in wich case he can let it rest were in tobis case he has the mask on he can easily have more chakra than kakashi to have it on but he does sometimes close his eye or just makes it look were theres no hole in the mask but yes i think its like kakashis

He meant to say that Tobi keeps it activated constantly without chakra drain. Not to mention that he has Genjutsu even with or better than Shisui's, and S/T techs. I'd say he's compatible with the Sharingan.

 

[9Bijuu]

Of course he wouldn't use the Rinnegan techs when he's wasting chakra already controlling the beasts, as he even stated in the manga. Now that they're gone and he can wreak havoc with his Rinnegan techs. Its obvious he can use the Rinnegan techs though. And now he has all the more reason to, seeing that his paths are gone.

As for him getting hit:
1. Minato-->No one could have dodged that. If it was anyone other then Minato, Tobi would have won.
2. Itachi--->He pretty much negated the attack right away. And he wasn't suspecting in, yet he still survived without a scratch. I don't see how this counts as a hit.
3. Konan--->I'll give you that. But it was a a double-edged sword for Konan. She would have died if he took the whole hit. Also Tobi underestimated her. If he was going all out, he would have just dodged the attack.
4. Danzo's guard--->He let himself get hit to absorb him. And he didn't really get hit. More like his arm was poisoned after touching him.

As for your last paragraph, Tobi's also been shown to control Gedo Mazo flawlessly. He's been able to control and surpress 6 Bijuus with minimal chakra drain and fatigue. And he mastered the Rinnegan way faster than Nagato did.



Nice counterargument. I was getting sick of arguing with that guy.




He meant to say that Tobi keeps it activated constantly without chakra drain. Not to mention that he has Genjutsu even with or better than Shisui's, and S/T techs. I'd say he's compatible with the Sharingan.

Minato's attack could've been avoided if his S/T jutsu were as flawless as you make them out to be, two he did negate it but he still didn't dodge it so it is a hit, three, yea, hard to argue with Konan's one truly pro moment, he meant to absorb him but not get hit - he wouldn't just put himself into a situation that would cost him his arm to get an edo-tensei sacrifice. He could've easily let that attack slip through and try again, he didn't expect it.

 

[TobisPawn]

Minato's attack could've been avoided if his S/T jutsu were as flawless as you make them out to be, two he did negate it but he still didn't dodge it so it is a hit, three, yea, hard to argue with Konan's one truly pro moment, he meant to absorb him but not get hit - he wouldn't just put himself into a situation that would cost him his arm to get an edo-tensei sacrifice. He could've easily let that attack slip through and try again, he didn't expect it.

1. I never said Tobi's S/T was flawless. I said that with Shinra Tensei and the other Rinnegan techs along with it, he can patch up the other's weakness. Such as the 5 second reload time with Shinra Tensei. He can go intangible then. If someone exploits his intangibility and is about to hit him, he can use his Deva or Preta path.

2. He only got hit because he didn't see it coming at all. Anyone would get hit by an Amaterasu (except maybe Minato) if they didn't see it coming. And his S/T techs were good enough to negate it anyway. It was a hit, but a fail.

3. Yeah Konan. xd

4 The thing is he let himself get hit; He himself didn't get hit by anyone.

 

[9Bijuu]

1. I never said Tobi's S/T was flawless. I said that with Shinra Tensei and the other Rinnegan techs along with it, he can patch up the other's weakness. Such as the 5 second reload time with Shinra Tensei. He can go intangible then. If someone exploits his intangibility and is about to hit him, he can use his Deva or Preta path.

2. He only got hit because he didn't see it coming at all. Anyone would get hit by an Amaterasu (except maybe Minato) if they didn't see it coming. And his S/T techs were good enough to negate it anyway. It was a hit, but a fail.

3. Yeah Konan. xd

4 The thing is he let himself get hit; He himself didn't get hit by anyone.

I'm busy at the moment so I won't be keeping this up but all I'm saying is while your theory may hold merit eventually Tobi is still too unknown to say for sure and based on manga feats thus far he may not be able to handle the rinnegan as well as he'd like to.

 

[TobisPawn]

I'm busy at the moment so I won't be keeping this up but all I'm saying is while your theory may hold merit eventually Tobi is still too unknown to say for sure and based on manga feats thus far he may not be able to handle the rinnegan as well as he'd like to.

This thread was more meant to say that Tobi HAS the potential, due to stated reasons, to be the best with the Rinnegan. I'm not going to go out and claim that he's the best without any proof though.

 

[naruto s06p beastmode]

ehh kishi needs to show us wat tobi can do with that rinnegan of his sooner or later thats what i think

 

[MrLukyso]

Where do you get this shit?

1. We don't know who Tobi is, but he keeps his sharingan active every time we've seen it. Sasuke doesn't even do that right now. Therefore it's a safer to assume Tobi is compatible with sharingan, and in turn, rinnegan. Nagato wasn't Uchiha, so I guess he shouldn't have been compatible with Rinnegan?

2. Tobi lead Akatsuki with Pain who showed all the Rinnegan jutsu against Naruto. Zetsu watched the fight and recorded it, so Tobi could see it again as he has suggested. If that's not enough, shortly after he implanted it he was thinking of using human path on Yamato. He's currently using it to control the jinchuuriki bodies. I guess that's not enough for him to know the jutsus of rinnegan?

3. Madara awakened rinnegan shortly before he died. How much time do you think he had to develop it? Nagato is not an Uchiha, yet he used the Rinnegan to its potential, so how does being an Uchiha make the Rinnegan stronger?

4. I guess your right, Tobi doesn't know anything about the Rinnegan's secrets or powers. He's only used it to sync with Gedo Mazo, control the edo-jinchuuriki bodies plus the bijuu, and what I mentioned in #2. This is all assuming he hadn't used or watched closely the Rinnegan in the past, which seems likely if you think about it.

5. Really? Does he know about the powers of Kakashi's or Shisui's Mangekyo Sharingan? Does he know Sasuke can control Amaterasu? Or Itachi's Yata Mirror or Totsuka Sword? Sure Tobi may or may not know about specific Uchiha in the past (as he knew Madara it's likely he would), but it's not practical in a fight currently.

6. Huh? if you can find when Madara even mentioned knowing about Gedo Mazo, or anywhere Gedo Mazo was used in relation to Madara.. I'm all ears.

And to your paragraph at the end.. please explain what the other secrets of the Rinnegan are that Tobi and Madara apparently don't know. Also, even if Tobi was created by Madara, how does that make him weaker with using the Rinnegan? Itachi was created by Fugaku and Mikoto.. is he weaker than them with the Sharingan? Does he know less about the Sharingan than them?

Sure it's possible Madara is better with Rinnegan than Tobi, but there's no logical way to make the assumption at this point.

1. And Nagato wasn't able to use Rinnegan to it's full potential.
2. As I said nor tobi or Nagato knows all secrets of Rinnegan, all jutsus and powers and etc.. So It was impossible for Tobi to learn about it from Nagato... Maybe Madara didn't passed down everything he knew ?.
3. For Uchiha like Madara it takes short amount of time to master Rinnegan + he was the most experienced and talented one Uchiha ever, plus he developed it himself and read full Uchiha tablet.. He mastered it perfectly.. Same goes like Kakashi used 20+ years to be used to MS, and sasuke did it in 1year~ and a lot better.. That's the difference between Uchiha and not uchiha in uchiha dojutsu lol..
4. Yes, he knows the same amount as Nagato does, no more. Paths and Gedo mazo are basics of Rinnegan..
5. Ofcourse he knows about Kamui, Uchiha tablet lol ? I wouldn't be surprissed if Madara could do that too, also Yata and Totsuka are legendary weapons, who maybe existed turing his era.
6. Well Tobi's and Nagato's Rinnegan are Madaras Rinnegan, and they both were able to use it - The Original User of the jutsu they possed can use it too, plus he obtained it first, and learned it secrets first so we can easily say it was Madaras summon, just without Bijuus..

Well Madara maybe didn't passed down all the jutsus ? Like Meteor thing or some other jutsus he posses ? You will never know until it's facts, but it's more likely it.. I will say that Tobi is better than Nagato since he mIGHT be Uchiha, but he's nowhere near Madaras level lol.. Madara has more feats and knowlage about it... Nagato has lowest knowlage about it since he's not Uchiha and wasn't able to read UChiha tablet, Madara is Uchiha and read it, Tobi is MAYBE Uchiha and he MAYBE read it.. At any point thats my beliefs, believe what you want, plus Madara and Itachi are both with their Sharingans all the time. :sy:

 

[TobisPawn]

1. And Nagato wasn't able to use Rinnegan to it's full potential.
2. As I said nor tobi or Nagato knows all secrets of Rinnegan, all jutsus and powers and etc.. So It was impossible for Tobi to learn about it from Nagato... Maybe Madara didn't passed down everything he knew ?.
3. For Uchiha like Madara it takes short amount of time to master Rinnegan + he was the most experienced and talented one Uchiha ever, plus he developed it himself and read full Uchiha tablet.. He mastered it perfectly.. Same goes like Kakashi used 20+ years to be used to MS, and sasuke did it in 1year~ and a lot better.. That's the difference between Uchiha and not uchiha in uchiha dojutsu lol..
4. Yes, he knows the same amount as Nagato does, no more. Paths and Gedo mazo are basics of Rinnegan..
5. Ofcourse he knows about Kamui, Uchiha tablet lol ? I wouldn't be surprissed if Madara could do that too, also Yata and Totsuka are legendary weapons, who maybe existed turing his era.
6. Well Tobi's and Nagato's Rinnegan are Madaras Rinnegan, and they both were able to use it - The Original User of the jutsu they possed can use it too, plus he obtained it first, and learned it secrets first so we can easily say it was Madaras summon, just without Bijuus..

Well Madara maybe didn't passed down all the jutsus ? Like Meteor thing or some other jutsus he posses ? You will never know until it's facts, but it's more likely it.. I will say that Tobi is better than Nagato since he mIGHT be Uchiha, but he's nowhere near Madaras level lol.. Madara has more feats and knowlage about it... Nagato has lowest knowlage about it since he's not Uchiha and wasn't able to read UChiha tablet, Madara is Uchiha and read it, Tobi is MAYBE Uchiha and he MAYBE read it.. At any point thats my beliefs, believe what you want, plus Madara and Itachi are both with their Sharingans all the time. :sy:

Just shut up already. You constantly claim that Madara knows "all of the secrets of the Rinnegan" without any proof.

 

[sindi1997]

Tobi has the potential to be the best Rinnegan user we have ever seen.

One of this thread's basis is Tobi claiming that the Rinnegan was already his. That would mean that Tobi already has some experience in using the Rinnegan.

The other basis is that Tobi can use the Rinnegan along with his other techniques, and become pretty much unbeatable.

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First of all, here's further proof that Tobi had the Rinnegan before:

-Its been shown that when implanting an eye that someone has never used before, they need to rest for a few days-weeks. Such as when Tobi implanted Itachi's eyes into Sasuke. Sasuke had to wait a few weeks before removing the cloth around his eyes.

-Tobi implanted the Rinnegan right after getting it, and he didn't need to rest at all or anything like that. He just started using it right away. And he's apparently good with the Rinnegan, noted when Naruto claimed that Tobi's chakra rods were much more powerful compared to Nagato's.

-Anyway, it should be known that Tobi can use all Rinnegan techniques, shown with his knowledge and experience with the Rinnegan already.

Actually no kakashi implaned obito s eye and he used it right away so you are wrong about this part sry