[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 582 Discussion and 583 Predictions
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I think izanami fails that's y itachi's eyes didn't get closed. Kishi's showing flashblack of kabuto. Does this means he will die soon???????????
An OK chapter.
People always complain. But the story needs to go on, the plot must develop further, and for that stories must be told, pasts revealed and explanations given.
Some of you guys were wondering why Itachi had to protect Sasuke with Susanoo, when he is big enough to use one himself xd . Well, that's what big brothers do, protecting your little brother is something you do on impulse, without thinking. That, or Sasuke wasn't seeing that attack coming and Itachi had to save his ass. But again - that's what big brothers are for.
It was good to see that Kabuto was also just a little innocent child at some point. One thing that I like about this manga, is that it shows that nobody becomes evil out of the blue. There is always a reason, something tragic that forces the person on taking the wrong path.
People always complain. But the story needs to go on, the plot must develop further, and for that stories must be told, pasts revealed and explanations given.
Some of you guys were wondering why Itachi had to protect Sasuke with Susanoo, when he is big enough to use one himself xd . Well, that's what big brothers do, protecting your little brother is something you do on impulse, without thinking. That, or Sasuke wasn't seeing that attack coming and Itachi had to save his ass. But again - that's what big brothers are for.
It was good to see that Kabuto was also just a little innocent child at some point. One thing that I like about this manga, is that it shows that nobody becomes evil out of the blue. There is always a reason, something tragic that forces the person on taking the wrong path.
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Do you people really hate the chapter that much? To call it the worst in the history of the manga and all that garbage? Because if that is the case with you, you're a sad excuse of a reader. I understand we're all entitled to our opinions. I understand that a lot of us don't like flashbacks. I understand nothing actually happened in terms of moving the plot forward. But you know something? Something did happen to the plot itself. A hole in it's history got filled. People are saying that we already knew about Kabuto's past and everything, but for the love of Kishimoto read into what the mangaka is saying with everything that happens. See what's on a page and deduce what it actually means and stands for. We knew about Kabuto's past; we didn't know what exactly he wanted out of life as a child. We didn't know about any special people he once had. We didn't know who he wanted to become. Now we all should.
Kabuto wanted to be someone. In the flashback, at that point in his life, he was some nameless kid who knew nothing. Who no one needed. Who was nothing and had no place in the world. He didn't even really know who he was as a person. But he knew who he wanted to be. He wanted to be someone important, someone that another person needed. He had this vision of the person that he wanted to be - he wanted to be someone who was necessary to another person. You people are going on and on about how lame you think the chapter is, but read it first. Interpret for yourself what Kishimoto is saying. Open your heart to the idea of the chapter and think outside the panels, so to speak.
Me? Reading this chapter, even though I couldn't say it earlier, made me think of Kabuto as a child. It made me think of who he wanted to be at that point in time. I likened him to Jay Gatsby from The Great Gatsby, because I had to read it recently. For those who don't know, Jay Gatsby was someone in the novel who started out poor and with ultimately nothing but his parents. But he had this dream, this vision of himself and who he wanted to be. He wanted the perfect life - wealth, a reputation, and the perfect wife. He was so unsatisfied with his early life and his past that he even changed his name because he decided that his true identity wasn't good enough for who he wanted to become. Kabuto is kind of the same way right now. He had this vision of who he wanted to be and, in a sense, he's become that person, because the war is partially in his hands and he's important to it's outcome. But at this point I don't think he still has the same desired idea of himself. He's been so... corrupted by himself and outside forces that he's forgotten his original dream.
By the end of The Great Gatsby, Jay Gatsby reclaimed the girl of his dreams and then lost her again. And he ended up dead by the end of the novel. His dream? His American dream - the theme of the book? Was not completed and was, ultimately, not achieved. The difference between Gatsby and Kabuto is that Gatsby's dream never changed. The vision of who he wanted to be was never altered. Kabuto, however, has changed drastically. He is as important as he ever wanted to be, but I can guarentee to you that as a child he didn't want to be this monstrous... person. He didn't want to be... a semi-dictator, I want to call him, even though that's not what he is. He's corrupted, horribly so, and at this point he's forgotten exactly what he originally wanted. He wanted to be important and needed by other people who he could call special to him. Now, he's needed because he's in control of the Edo Tensei and is leading the war indirectly. He's forgotten what he wanted originally, his actual dream, due to years of being used and used and used. Now, it's the last thing on his mind. Because the world has made him change. No one is born evil. To some degree Kishi may someday show us the original goals and dreams of even Tobi, the main villain in the series right now. And I want to see that - even if it's ten chapters of pure FLASHBACKS.
My point is: this chapter is all about character development. I know a lot of people don't like it, but you should learn to accept it. The characters and their relationships and deeper... personas, let's call it, make the story more than anything else. Tell me: Naruto versus Sasuke is the most anticipated fight of the series for most of us. Now, you action lovers: what would be better? Sasuke and Naruto fighting when they've always been enemies or fighting after having once been best friends whose bond was tested by time, betrayal, change and ultimately corruption from outside forces? Exactly. The latter. Kishimoto takes so long to set up scenes like this and doesn't jump so head first into the action because he has to set up things for the characters to make the plot and, when they finally come, the fights, better. Madara and Hashirama: if we were never told about their past the very concept of their fight wouldn't be so thrilling for we readers.
You can have all the opinions you want, but please don't just read the chapter and decide you dislike it; it gets boring when all you're saying is that it sucks and ten million other people are, too, doesn't it? Look deeper into the chapters at what Kishimoto wants you to see and make the connections he wants you to make, if only vaguely. Then you'll have more to discuss and a wider view of the content of the manga itself. And, hey, you just might like the chapters more - even ones like these, to those saying it sucks.
I'd dare to say that you, good sir, are actually getting a +rep for that, kukapowpow.
Kabuto wanted to be someone. In the flashback, at that point in his life, he was some nameless kid who knew nothing. Who no one needed. Who was nothing and had no place in the world. He didn't even really know who he was as a person. But he knew who he wanted to be. He wanted to be someone important, someone that another person needed. He had this vision of the person that he wanted to be - he wanted to be someone who was necessary to another person. You people are going on and on about how lame you think the chapter is, but read it first. Interpret for yourself what Kishimoto is saying. Open your heart to the idea of the chapter and think outside the panels, so to speak.
Me? Reading this chapter, even though I couldn't say it earlier, made me think of Kabuto as a child. It made me think of who he wanted to be at that point in time. I likened him to Jay Gatsby from The Great Gatsby, because I had to read it recently. For those who don't know, Jay Gatsby was someone in the novel who started out poor and with ultimately nothing but his parents. But he had this dream, this vision of himself and who he wanted to be. He wanted the perfect life - wealth, a reputation, and the perfect wife. He was so unsatisfied with his early life and his past that he even changed his name because he decided that his true identity wasn't good enough for who he wanted to become. Kabuto is kind of the same way right now. He had this vision of who he wanted to be and, in a sense, he's become that person, because the war is partially in his hands and he's important to it's outcome. But at this point I don't think he still has the same desired idea of himself. He's been so... corrupted by himself and outside forces that he's forgotten his original dream.
By the end of The Great Gatsby, Jay Gatsby reclaimed the girl of his dreams and then lost her again. And he ended up dead by the end of the novel. His dream? His American dream - the theme of the book? Was not completed and was, ultimately, not achieved. The difference between Gatsby and Kabuto is that Gatsby's dream never changed. The vision of who he wanted to be was never altered. Kabuto, however, has changed drastically. He is as important as he ever wanted to be, but I can guarentee to you that as a child he didn't want to be this monstrous... person. He didn't want to be... a semi-dictator, I want to call him, even though that's not what he is. He's corrupted, horribly so, and at this point he's forgotten exactly what he originally wanted. He wanted to be important and needed by other people who he could call special to him. Now, he's needed because he's in control of the Edo Tensei and is leading the war indirectly. He's forgotten what he wanted originally, his actual dream, due to years of being used and used and used. Now, it's the last thing on his mind. Because the world has made him change. No one is born evil. To some degree Kishi may someday show us the original goals and dreams of even Tobi, the main villain in the series right now. And I want to see that - even if it's ten chapters of pure FLASHBACKS.
My point is: this chapter is all about character development. I know a lot of people don't like it, but you should learn to accept it. The characters and their relationships and deeper... personas, let's call it, make the story more than anything else. Tell me: Naruto versus Sasuke is the most anticipated fight of the series for most of us. Now, you action lovers: what would be better? Sasuke and Naruto fighting when they've always been enemies or fighting after having once been best friends whose bond was tested by time, betrayal, change and ultimately corruption from outside forces? Exactly. The latter. Kishimoto takes so long to set up scenes like this and doesn't jump so head first into the action because he has to set up things for the characters to make the plot and, when they finally come, the fights, better. Madara and Hashirama: if we were never told about their past the very concept of their fight wouldn't be so thrilling for we readers.
You can have all the opinions you want, but please don't just read the chapter and decide you dislike it; it gets boring when all you're saying is that it sucks and ten million other people are, too, doesn't it? Look deeper into the chapters at what Kishimoto wants you to see and make the connections he wants you to make, if only vaguely. Then you'll have more to discuss and a wider view of the content of the manga itself. And, hey, you just might like the chapters more - even ones like these, to those saying it sucks.
THERE YOU GO, THIS GUY GETS IT. I gave my first post on this topic earlier, with MY OPINION, and he came back and didn't say, "THIS CHAPTER SUCKS AND YOU'RE STUPID FOR THINKING IT'S OK." Or anything. He brought his own ideas to the table for discussion.what if thats izanami?
itachi changed kabuto's destiny, kabuto's will... so he will rediscover himself and maybe he will change his way/side...
just an idea..
I'd dare to say that you, good sir, are actually getting a +rep for that, kukapowpow.
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Lordlloyd7
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It didnt suck to bad. I kinda wanted to know kabutos back story anyway. It better not last long though.
I think everyone can agree that even the biggest villain in the world was once an innocent child. But what was the point of repeating this same story again??An OK chapter.
People always complain. But the story needs to go on, the plot must develop further, and for that stories must be told, pasts revealed and explanations given.
Some of you guys were wondering why Itachi had to protect Sasuke with Susanoo, when he is big enough to use one himself xd . Well, that's what big brothers do, protecting your little brother is something you do on impulse, without thinking. That, or Sasuke wasn't seeing that attack coming and Itachi had to save his ass. But again - that's what big brothers are for.
It was good to see that Kabuto was also just a little innocent child at some point. One thing that I like about this manga, is that it shows that nobody becomes evil out of the blue. There is always a reason, something tragic that forces the person on taking the wrong path.
Oro was once good but the death of his parents made him want to find a way to bring people back from the dead and learn all just and became evil. Nagato was good but then the death of his parents and friends made him become obsessed with him having to bring pain for change.
Now the same with Kabuto. And we are tired we know he was an orphan of war that had no country or parents, it is understood, the only thing that he lacks is that he has no purpose to him. He hasnt described anything about what he wants. Oro wanted power, Nagato wanted to cause Pain for peace, And Kabuto?? so we just wasted 17 pages and one week explaining nothing about what he wanted other then what becoming something because he is nothing. Maybe this is too abstract for me to understand, or maybe its just a boring character that has been stretched too far through the manga and should have been gone. In any case mentioning Itachi say he is going to use Izanami and then ....was already bad.
Oh let me make a prediction! the girl who gave him his glasses dies and that changes him because he wasnt strong enough to protect her and she was killed by someone he trusted so now he trusts any one.....
So since he is nothing im going to call him the Worst Character in Naruto.
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Kabuto is the great Gatsby i get it now.......It was so profound.....Nagato was profound, Oro losing his parents and getting all the jutsus to bring them back to life was profound.
Kabuto is just a repeat of the same theme. We are all young and pure until somehting happens in our formation that leads us into evil. In kabuto's case the girl that gave him his glasses will die end of story.
I dont care about Kabuto's past because it is so predictable. I want to know something a lot darker. That maybe Kabuto was evil from the start, and always was completely disturbed, because the other kind of badguy si completely repeated through the manga over and over again, and add Sasuke to that. He is pure but he might get tainted.
I'm Over it
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I think the background of Kabuto was great but bad timing. It would have had a greater effect if given like at his moment of death not right after revealing a new technique.
Great backstory but bad timing.
One thing I would like to know is when and where did this "war" happen? Can anyone guess for me when this was happened? It might help shed some light as to what happened and some of his history. I will reread the manga again to try to figure it out.
Great backstory but bad timing.
One thing I would like to know is when and where did this "war" happen? Can anyone guess for me when this was happened? It might help shed some light as to what happened and some of his history. I will reread the manga again to try to figure it out.
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dude... I admit that flashbacks in the story are needed and I undestand the plot needs to be developed and all that but even u have to admit that this chapter sucked because his flash back went nowhere....we should have learned more than he doesnt have manners....personally I think there are sum flashbacks that would have been better
FLASHBACKS
How itachi got izanamitobi OBVIOUSLY
itachi tells sasuke the truth before izagnami
at least show something about the person whose name is the title...
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So another one bites the dust! Kishi's trademark: the dreaded backstory! If I'm a character in Naruto, I'd refuse to think about my past so that I can live!!
Anyway, it's time for Kabuto to go anyway. What I would like to see is Kabuto to mistakenly give the information on the Edo Tensei and then the next scene you see is Itachi and Kabuto in the cave alone just standing there, which would of course mean that Kabuto was sucked into Itachi's tsukuyomi from the very first moment (reminiscent of Itachi's battle with Deidara! Now that would be yet another sign that Itachi is just the baddest shinobi on the planet!! (right next to the 4th!!)
Anyway, it's time for Kabuto to go anyway. What I would like to see is Kabuto to mistakenly give the information on the Edo Tensei and then the next scene you see is Itachi and Kabuto in the cave alone just standing there, which would of course mean that Kabuto was sucked into Itachi's tsukuyomi from the very first moment (reminiscent of Itachi's battle with Deidara! Now that would be yet another sign that Itachi is just the baddest shinobi on the planet!! (right next to the 4th!!)
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