Hashirama is greater than Nagato:
1. Wood release can't be absorbed.
2. Hashirama has more power than that meets the eye: Considered strongest Shinobi ever by the Following:
a. Madara
b. Tobi
c. Kabuto
d. Tsunade
e. Sarotobi
f. Onoki and others..
3. Hashirama's wood release is unique. Only he(except copycats) was able to use this technique. The Scale Madara used was comparable with that of Hashirama for which to defend Naruto had to use all his Chakra + that of Kurama.
4. Hashirama dealt with Madara and Kyuubi at the same time. He knows almost all about EMS power and how to counter it. After seeing Rinnegan, he will definitely be conscious about it being Rinnegan and will be prepared for anything..
5. Nagato has never fought against Mukton user, every thing Hashirama does will be new to Nagato and His only option will be to use Sinra tensei, again and again.
6. Both their chakra level are high. Meaning that person who is careful and uses all power properly wins. Hashirama will have Advantage here.
7. His bringer of light, clones are still quite superb.
8. He is experienced enough to know that being near to Ninja's with eye power is dangerous. How could he have survived from Susanoo of Madara, The same way he will counter from being touched which might be the only way Nagato has of Defeating Hashirama..
Hashirama is greater than Nagato:
1. Wood release can't be absorbed.
2. Hashirama has more power than that meets the eye: Considered strongest Shinobi ever by the Following:
a. Madara
b. Tobi
c. Kabuto
d. Tsunade
e. Sarotobi
f. Onoki and others..
3. Hashirama's wood release is unique. Only he(except copycats) was able to use this technique. The Scale Madara used was comparable with that of Hashirama for which to defend Naruto had to use all his Chakra + that of Kurama.
4. Hashirama dealt with Madara and Kyuubi at the same time. He knows almost all about EMS power and how to counter it. After seeing Rinnegan, he will definitely be conscious about it being Rinnegan and will be prepared for anything..
5. Nagato has never fought against Mukton user, every thing Hashirama does will be new to Nagato and His only option will be to use Sinra tensei, again and again.
6. Both their chakra level are high. Meaning that person who is careful and uses all power properly wins. Hashirama will have Advantage here.
7. His bringer of light, clones are still quite superb.
8. He is experienced enough to know that being near to Ninja's with eye power is dangerous. How could he have survived from Susanoo of Madara, The same way he will counter from being touched which might be the only way Nagato has of Defeating Hashirama..
1. Him being able to absorb the wood is debatable but he's shown clearly to absorb the oil on top of jiriya's chakra so the wood wouldn't be much of a stretch.
2. That's an opinon.
3. I agree Hashirama's wood release is unique and Madara is currently being used so we can get a good idea with what Hashirama can do. I wouldn't bother with chakra levels since they've both been shown to have a huge amount and Naruto's clone just downed 2 kages and was already low on chakra so him using all he had to stop it was a given.
4. I agree he'll be wary of the rinnengan since he has no knowledge, but I don't think he can be completely be prepared for it. Naruto had a lot of knowledge 3 times against the six paths, Nagato and Madara but still struggled a lot even with a load of help. The first fought to the death against a rinnengan user he got destroyed even with the help of Ma and Pa.
5. I agree but everything will be new to both parties. Wood style is more obvious than what rinnengan could do.
6. We just know they both have a lot of chakra, Hashirama doesn't have an advantage here. So that point isn't necessary.
7. yeah.
8. I agree he's good but, fighting susano is one thing and rinnengan is another.
A>B>C logic doesn't work in Naruto. I'm not even going to go into detail why 6 paths > Naruto but the fight was over for him when deva path had him pinned, lectured him and killed Hinata in front of him if he wanted to Naruto would have been long dead. Naruto had a lot of help and talk no jutsu, not to mention paths being in Nagato > 6 paths stated somewhere in the manga.
Who knows? For now I agree with you, but the problem is we don't even know half of what Hashirama can do so it's hard to decide who's strongest.
Just like the way how alot of people say Madara had Fire and was superior to Hashirama's Wood but the problem is Hashirama can also do Water and Earth to create Wood.
Hashirama could create forests in a instant, so I don't see the problem why he just can't keep spamming Wood over and over? I mean you say if he creates a forest Nagato will blow it away which is true but Hashirama can make a new one easily
Nagato > Hashirama for now...
@Minator93 Nice logic, so Hashirama was the leader of the Senju clan, but yet Tobirama was stronger then him? Hehe
Yes Nagato has the Sage's eyes and hashi the body, and what about his uzumaki linage? Uzumakis are close relatives to Senju, perfect example of uzumakis physical vitality= Naruto UZUMAKI and Nagato UZUMAKI
Tobriama knew Hashirama better than anyone else he had s/t that was supposedly greater than FTG further he invented Edo tensei...and if you read the post correctly i've never said Tobirama > Hashirama...i've just said that he has a high chance in beating Hashirama.
Being stronger doesn't necessarily mean that he can't be beaten.
One more thing :
Tsunade is the leader of the leaf village but Naruto is stronger than her.
Yahiko was the leader of akatsuki but Nagato was much more powerful.
Fugaku was the leader of the Uchiha clan but he was no where near Itachi or Shisui.
If you can't comprehend this then don't quote me again.
Tobriama knew Hashirama better than anyone else he had s/t that was supposedly greater than FTG further he invented Edo tensei...and if you read the post correctly i've never said Tobirama > Hashirama...i've just said that he has a high chance in beating Hashirama.
Being stronger doesn't necessarily mean that he can't be beaten.
One more thing :
Tsunade is the leader of the leaf village but Naruto is stronger than her.
Yahiko was the leader of akatsuki but Nagato was much more powerful.
Fugaku was the leader of the Uchiha clan but he was no where near Itachi or Shisui.
If you can't comprehend this then don't quote me again.
4. Prime Hiruzen. [Hype + 1000 genjutsus + Knowledge + RDS] [Has a High Chance or at least takes Hashi down with him]
5. Minato. [Speed + Seals + S/T + RDS] [Has a High Chance or at least takes Hashi down with him]
6. Tobirama Senju. [Edo Tensei + S/T + Knowledge ] [Has Much higher chance than aforementioned two hokages]
7. Nagato. [He's shown his weakness to genjutsus + doesn't have any escape jutsus + failed to tame Kurama which is something that others did, but has butt load of chakra and raw destructive power] [Could beat Hashirama but with extreme difficulty, prolly needs help from his paths and Gedo Mazo as well]
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Edit : I've voted for Hashi because it asks who is stronger?
Nagato has a counter for everything Hashirama can throw at him.
Hashirama is probably going to create a huge forest which shouldn't be too hard to wipe out with shinra tensei which took out konoho and the 3 massive frogs.
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Using his summons and Asura path would cause a significant distraction since Asura path can be used at any range and does quite a bit of damage, whilst his summons are actually quite powerful especially the dog which multiplies.
Ninjutsu wouldn't have an effect on Nagato due to petra path which absorbs all ninjutsu(Harishirama's wood style), not just the chakra. Here he absorbs Jiriya's chakra on top of the chakra.
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Hashirama wasn't know as a genjutsu user, his only feat is bringer of darkness iirc. The 3rd managed to navigate through it. Nagato has shown feats in sensory as well as his link with the rinnengan of other animals/paths so this shouldn't cause any major problems. Even then shouldn't rinnengan give him some resistance to visual genjutsu like the sharrigan does.
Finally tai jutsu. Nagato was capable of handling Bee and Naruto at the same time who have both been shown to show impressive feats. It would also be dangerous to get close due to human path which would lead to Hashirama getting dropped.
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This is all without including gedo maze or chibaki tensei. My point is until we see a lot more of Hashirama he isn't as good as Kabuto makes him out to be, current Madara, Tobi, Kabuto(with edo's), Nagato and potential Bm Naruto can all take him.
In feats I most certainly would agree with U
But I cant believe Nagato would be stronger then Hashirama after the way Kishi (ON purpose btw) portrayed Hashirama in the recent manga
But this is still my opinion tho.
Its not always about feats or accomplishments One did in the manga that makes one stronger
Sometimes U can see THAT by the way a character is led into a story I believe.
