Nagato > Hashirama

[megallica]

there should be a draw in the voting poll. im convinced that prime nagato will win with difficulty, but madara only has a fraction of hashiramas power, so obviously we have NOT seen hashirama at his strongest. so for now i think the battle is too close to call.

 

[Viewtiful]

there should be a draw in the voting poll. im convinced that prime nagato will win with difficulty, but madara only has a fraction of hashiramas power, so obviously we have NOT seen hashirama at his strongest. so for now i think the battle is too close to call.

If you take a look at Hashirama during and after that battle, you'll see it's obvious that he was being pushed to his limit. After all, you don't have blood coming out of your mouth and gashes on your face if that's otherwise.

 

[megallica]

If you take a look at Hashirama during and after that battle, you'll see it's obvious that he was being pushed to his limit. After all, you don't have blood coming out of your mouth and gashes on your face if that's otherwise.

... yes we all have seen a picture of hashiramas battle with madara.
does it show us any of hashiramas techniques ? no is the answer.

 

[arv993]

Nagato still has the rain technique to sense other people, I wouldn't count him out after a Bringer of Darkness jutsu.

it doesnt allow you to give complete info of attacks and where it comes from, it is a tech that informs pain only when an intruder comes in, it has never been said to sense ninjutsu, weapons and such. If that jutsu was able to give nagato such great sensing abilities and allowed him to use it in a battle as effectively as u believe why would he even use shared vision. its because shared vision actually gives him an accurate way of telling him where his enemies are and what they are doing unlike simple detection jutsu.

Detecting someone is not enough and as i showed in my links when nagato's shared vision is gone his reaction rates are very poor that he can get hit by decently fast techs such as the totsuka.

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as kabuto mentions his lack of mobility is compensated by his shared vision and when thats gone he is in a pretty vulnerable spot and just has to be finished with a quick jutsu. See hashi's main advantage is that unlike itachi who actually has to throw shuriken and take out eyes he uses one simple jutsu and nagato is at his most vulnerable and would simply not have effective attacks or defenses.

 

[iknowwhotobiis]

Even if we don't know the full extent of someone's abilities we can still make judgement on what they're capable of. We don't know all the ninjutsu for a lot of characters, Kakashi is a good example but we know he isn't defeating Madara.

We know his main style is wood style we saw what it can do through Madara and Yamato(obviously on a bigger scale) and Danzo. Madara gave us a good idea of what Hashirama's wood style is like so stop hiding behind that excuse and bring in something new why you think Hashirama is a great as everyone says he is.

Sorry but you are just wrong. We know the extent of Kakashi powers because we have seen him near death vs nagato in which he used everything he got. However, we have not seen Hashi in a serious engagement. Thus making all your assumptions not true. Imagine before the fight between itachi and sasuke you would assume that Itachi would lose to many characters because you were unaware of the existence of susanoo+yata mirror+sealing sword. The same goes to hashi u dont know any of his techniques at all. So stfu plz

 

[Midday]

Kabuto - ( 初代火影千手柱間ほどの忍は も う い な い…人は皆そう言う…　その強さを 聞い た ものは六道仙人と同じくあとぎ 話 だ と ね…今こそ…そのおとぎ話 を 現 実に…！) -> The first Hokage Senjuu Hashirama, there are no Shinobi like him anymore... Everyone agrees on that... As the legend goes, his strenght was comparable to that of Rikudou Sennin... Now... I'll turn that fairytale into reality!

hashirama>nagato

What's the point in that translation, it's just hype. Nagato was also said to actually be the 3rd so6p rather than having power comparable. So hype wise that point doesn't really make much of a difference and doesn't automatically make someone better.

Sorry but you are just wrong. We know the extent of Kakashi powers because we have seen him near death vs nagato in which he used everything he got. However, we have not seen Hashi in a serious engagement. Thus making all your assumptions not true. Imagine before the fight between itachi and sasuke you would assume that Itachi would lose to many characters because you were unaware of the existence of susanoo+yata mirror+sealing sword. The same goes to hashi u dont know any of his techniques at all. So stfu plz

Why do you keep on going on about we don't know his techniques, we're using what we know to compare the two. I'm sure he does have 1 or 2 secret techniques but we can't exactly say that he's better because we don't know what he can do. What we do know is he uses wood style and he probably uses it on a similar scale as Madara.

 

[iknowwhotobiis]

if we analyze characters like that tobirama is fooder for most characters same as third hokage.

 

[Midday]

hahsirama would win IMO
due to bringer of the darkness
what caused nagato to get hit by itachi in the end yes teh blinding of his shared vision caused his reaction time to be low and thus got him killed as seen here

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him being a sensor doesnt mean he can dodge all techs and he couldnt react here as we have seen. And with one tech hashi can make him completely blind he would be completely vulnerable as he was in this state. When ur blind u really would know where to attack or use your powers as effectively.

as kabuto mention here he couldnt dodge that attack due to that and his mobility issue

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as seen here even nagato can be hit with ninjutsu when caught of guard

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and here

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as u can see as soon as hashi uses bringer of darkness nagato is in this vulnerable state and hashi has to deal the final blow and as we have seen nagato wouldnt be able to defend fast enough and wouldnt even know where to attack. All his summons would be useless in this jutsu and hashi can use either mokuton or use his swords as a finishing blow for nagato.

hashi uses nagato biggest weakness against him which is his blinding of shared vision that puts him in the most vulnerable state. An as long as hashi can deliver a swift finishing blow which he certainly can with mokuton or swords hashi would win. and nagato wouldnt know what hit as its the same scenario with itachi but unlike itachi hashi doesnt have to take out eye by eye but just use this one jutsu

That's definitely a possible way for Hashirama to win. But Itachi was/should have been aware of the linked vision of the rinnengan since Naruto mentioned it in the fight. Also Itachi had Naruto and Bee keeping Nagato occupied whilst he did his thing and is Hashirama perceptive enough to come up with a strategy like that whilst being overwhelemed by Nagato and summons.

I'm not to sure if bringer of darkness is that effective the 3rd managed to deal with it without a problem and the rinnengan should have some resistance to visual genjutsu and does it have enough range to capture all his summons because he does spread them out. On top of that how will Hashirama find his chameleon summon?

Also read this bringer of darkness isn't as effective as you're making it out to be.

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[arv993]

That's definitely a possible way for Hashirama to win. But Itachi was/should have been aware of the linked vision of the rinnengan since Naruto mentioned it in the fight. Also Itachi had Naruto and Bee keeping Nagato occupied whilst he did his thing and is Hashirama perceptive enough to come up with a strategy like that whilst being overwhelemed by Nagato and summons.

I'm not to sure if bringer of darkness is that effective the 3rd managed to deal with it without a problem and the rinnengan should have some resistance to visual genjutsu and does it have enough range to capture all his summons because he does spread them out. On top of that how will Hashirama find his chameleon summon?

Also read this bringer of darkness isn't as effective as you're making it out to be.

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rinnegan is not immune to genjutsu and this not even visual or eye genjutsu such as from sharingan. Two u know the reason why third dealt with it beacuse hashi was not moving oro was just toying with him since he knew there was no way he could lose. Its pretty damn effective, hashi just needs to give finishing blow and like i showed in the fight with itachi, naruto,bee once his vision was gone his reaction time was significantly reduced and got hit by something that was not especially fast and we know hashi techs are fast he created a forest in a minute



he doesnt have to perecptive really because its actually quite simple to try genjutsu techs on ppl, he probably used that tech beforehand and if his summons are there he can use it and blind them along with him its one simple jutsu. remember enma was therewith sarutobi and was no help because he too was blind

 

[MadaraHashirama]

Did we know Hashirama was a medical nin? Nope, therefore aslong as we don't know what Hashirama fully can do then there's no reasons to just say this and that because that's all assuming things.
Now Nagato > Hashirama for sure, but you people act as if he won't get more power up boosts, it's the same way people acted before it was said he could medical Jutsus.
Hashirama is the leader of the Senju clan, "Senju Ichizoku" The clan with a thousand skills. Aslong as we don't know what Hashirama is fully capable of and what Jutsus he all had (for example the Scroll of Seals he always uses, the scroll with tons of Kinjutsus like Edo Tensei) it's all just assumption.
Nagato > Hashirama for now obviously.

 

[MarkPaul]

It depends.but nagatonhave the advantage.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

Nagato can counter all of the techniques shown true and Hashirama cant counter all of Nagatos techniques.... Nagato would win but i dont understand why you would rub it in others faces

 

[V1sion]

This shouldn't be new to anyone. Kishi seems to wank hard to anyone who has the Sage's eyes.

 

[Kettei]

Nagato

 

[Unorthodox]

nagato mid diff

 

[Gèckö]

Nagato has the Sages eyes, Hashirama has the sages body.

When will people accept as the manga has states Sages body > Sages Eyes.

I agree

 

[Prince Charles]

how can we say he has a counter for everything when we havent even seen hashirama's fken arsenal or abilities?

 

[kiiroi senk0u]

hashirama is stronger .

 

[Scooby Doo]

I think Hashiramas mokuton can push through deva's defence and cannot be absorbed by preta so I say Shodai.

 

[Retsu]

agreed, Nagato has too much for the first Hokage to handle