Yes, Yet another Hokage Comparison Thread

[~Uzumaki~]

according to kabuto, and other ninjas of the world

hiruzen > oonoki

you can't possibly know what hiruzen had, when you know only 4 of his thousands of jutsu





1) The hype giving by iruka, a and databooks, about being the strongest hokage, was ONLY based on konoha ninja... how would another village know about the full history of konohas hokage and their power? there are ninjas and people in the village who have lived since the time of the first... and according to kishi, databooks and iruka, hiruzen is still praised as the strongest one


2) the Hype kabuto gave, being the strongest KAGE, was worldwide ... he was considered the strongest of the 5 kages. ( well orochimaru killed the fourth kazekage)

But if at old age he can only use 4 of his thousands of jutsu he was pathetic, there are less chakra tasking, more effective ninjutsu in Konoha, his only, out of 1000 jutsu, his only counter for Mokuton was Enma, his immense amount of ninjutsu must be like Kakashi's superficial amount and the only jutsu actually worth anything are the few he uses. he couldn't even do anything for Anko's cursed seal, Kakashi had Evil Sealing Method, not very vast is he? I'm sorry if I seem really pissed, I am. why? Because hype is all he has, he failed in battle, his agemates Onoki, Chiyo, Hanzo, excelled greatly. I really hate hype, I'm gonna make a thread about hype and why it sucks

 

[Owarij]

But if at old age he can only use 4 of his thousands of jutsu he was pathetic, there are less chakra tasking, more effective ninjutsu in Konoha, his only, out of 1000 jutsu, his only counter for Mokuton was Enma, his immense amount of ninjutsu must be like Kakashi's superficial amount and the only jutsu actually worth anything are the few he uses. he couldn't even do anything for Anko's cursed seal, Kakashi had Evil Sealing Method, not very vast is he? I'm sorry if I seem really pissed, I am. why? Because hype is all he has, he failed in battle, his agemates Onoki, Chiyo, Hanzo, excelled greatly. I really hate hype, I'm gonna make a thread about hype and why it sucks

Put oonoki in his situation and i guarantee oonoki would lose also... once he gets blinded by bringer of darnkess, seeing as he isn't a sensor like muu, he's just gonna get raped by wood

chiyo? sigh , don't even mention her ..she wouldn't last a minute in a fight against 2 hokages

MadaraHashirama you keep using opinion. You keep disregarding what the manga says. Hiruzen an old piece of sh*t? This is why I don't rate any of your responses.

You seem like a Hashirama fanboy, just remembered what your name is.

yea he can't formulate one proper argument without flaming, i'm not even going to respond to him anymore

 

[Blaze Release]

Thread got rather interesting and i very much liked Langaz beastly post

 

[MadaraHashirama]

But yet this is all in the beginning of the Manga, no one knew about Rikudo Sennin, Rinnegan, not even Mangekyou Sharingan was drawn.
Simply, Hiruzen can't win against his own age Age > Hiruzen
I love the fact how Onoki is older then Hiruzen but yet he's the most useful one.
Kabuto said he's the strongest of the 5 KAGES, if you think he's talking about HOkage then use your brain how can he be stronger then 5 HOKAGES while they were only 5 including himself back then? Was he stronger then himself? LOL
He's weaker then his own age, Tobi, Danzo, Onoki proves age doesn't affect that much.
Just your typical old man shit, Iruka states he's the strongest to children so children will respect him because they even said WOW IS HE REALLY THAT STRONG I DON'T BELIEVE YOU BLA BLA. How many times did a character say things like Itachi is invincible, Gaara's sand is the strongest defence, Pain is undefeatable bla bla...
^ There are even more of these statements some people said them in this thread I believe where a character says something about a other character.

 

[Ryuu..]

But yet this is all in the beginning of the Manga, no one knew about Rikudo Sennin, Rinnegan, not even Mangekyou Sharingan was drawn.
Simply, Hiruzen can't win against his own age Age > Hiruzen
I love the fact how Onoki is older then Hiruzen but yet he's the most useful one.
Kabuto said he's the strongest of the 5 KAGES, if you think he's talking about HOkage then use your brain how can he be stronger then 5 HOKAGES while they were only 5 including himself back then? Was he stronger then himself? LOL
He's weaker then his own age, Tobi, Danzo, Onoki proves age doesn't affect that much.
Just your typical old man shit, Iruka states he's the strongest to children so children will respect him because they even said WOW IS HE REALLY THAT STRONG I DON'T BELIEVE YOU BLA BLA. How many times did a character say things like Itachi is invincible, Gaara's sand is the strongest defence, Pain is undefeatable bla bla...
^ There are even more of these statements some people said them in this thread I believe where a character says something about a other character.

But yet you take what Kauto said about Hashirama to be true. Make up your mind, clown.

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

1) read orochimaru's statement over, firstly, he spoke in past tense, meaning hiruzen was at one time able to do it..
and you do know the history of konoha? Those HIDEN techniques can be taught to anyone,. they are not kkg, and they were once taught to everyone .. at one point in the history the clans decided to keep their techs to themselves, and teach them to their sons and daughters etc.... those are not kkg... and wind is not a common element is konoha


gentle fist does not require byakugan... byakugan is just used for the seeing of the chakra points.. Gentle fist is simply letting out chakra in the palm of your hand, that block the chakra points... in esscence , learning gentle fist without having byakugan would be a waste ..


i'm still waiting for any person who was just backing up hashirama, to come list me the ninjas who were on his level that aren't around anymore -_-

Ok, so he could use gentle fist but he can't see the chakra points making it a useless jutsu.

At one point in history he could use the specialty techniques of all the hidden clans because he learn them before the clans decided to keep them in house.

Now explain how he could used every nature element in the leaf without a rinnegan when it was stated in the manga that no shinobi in the history of the world can do that?

Then explain how he could used Itachi MS abilities without having MS and being a Uchiha.I mean, Orochimaru was using the past tense and Itachi gain his MS while Hiruzen was hokage? And what about Shisui Uchiha's Kotoamatsukami which was only in his two eyes which Itachi had one and Danzo had the other.How did Hiruzen pull off this feat of knowing and using Kotoamatsukami without a Shisui MS eye?

Again, it is impossible for Hiruzen to be able to use all the jutsus in the Konoha.That statement can only be describes as hype, which was later contradicted by the manga.

 

[siyo]

lmao exactly what i'm saying, how can you disagree with the author and his manga which he wrote.. he clearly stated these things,

and most of them are so hypocritical , they pick and choose which hype they like, and disregard others, noone would dare say that tenten can beat sakumo.... not after minato called him a genius bla bla, not after random ninja shat bricks when they heard his name...

no they won't say tenten is stronger... but they completely disregard hiruzen's hype why?
"kishi changed his mind"
total and absolute bs..

Exactly.

The problem with this logic is author change their minds,and contradict previous written statement(Star Wars anyone) which Kishi has done.

Edit:And I think a lot of people would say Sasuke is stronger than Sakumo because they don't know anything about the White Fang.If you don't believe me simply make a Sasuke versus White Fang thread and see who wins.

We will know when the author changes his mind either by him directly ruining the credibility of the source or someone else stating the same about another character.

Btw, I said Sakura not Sasuke, lol.Also Hiruzen was also a master clone user so he could use the same method Naruto used to learn rasenshuriken in less than a month.Hiruzen is also much smarter and can take more punishment(look at his clones during the oro fight) than him so his clones would master the techs much quicker.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Put oonoki in his situation and i guarantee oonoki would lose also... once he gets blinded by bringer of darnkess, seeing as he isn't a sensor like muu, he's just gonna get raped by wood

chiyo? sigh , don't even mention her ..she wouldn't last a minute in a fight against 2 hokages





yea he can't formulate one proper argument without flaming, i'm not even going to respond to him anymore

ok. if it was Onoki he would have obliterated Orochimaru before Edo Tensei was performed
he wont get trapped by a barrier since he'd fly out before it was erected
Even if he gets trapped in a barrier he can do this-
perform his heavy weight tech on the two Hokages they can't move or form seals since they'd weight a ton and he can Dust release Orochimaru to oblivion
If it was Chiyo she would poison the two Hokages with gas which can't be avoided since they are in a barrier then control their poisoned and paralysed bodies then seal them with her Chakra surpressing seal which she used on Sasori's body before he removed his heart, this is possible since Oro's Edo are useless and don't even notice when they are tagged with explosive notes and she can do this before tags enter their heads. Don't even get me started on Danzo.
Hiruzen is ALL HYPE. People don't ususally live up to their hype. Look at Madara, if not for Mokuton and Rinnegan he'd have been sealed a long time ago. don't respond to MadaraHashirama, he'll just keep flaming you.

 

[MadaraHashirama]

But yet you take what Kauto said about Hashirama to be true. Make up your mind, clown.

That's an opinion, I never said that, that's what YOU think I said.
It's the other numnuts from these forums who compare Hashirama to Rikudo Sennin, your just that typical guy who start thinking things about that other guy while you don't know anything about him, you don't know anything about me.
You only noticed the Hashirama in my name? Why not the Madara? Ever noticed I dislike Madara ever since he got summoned by Edo Tensei? You're the clown here because I've said multiple times that I dislike Madara, ever since he's summoned all he does it talk and spam Susano'o, but you don't know anything about me, I'm a Hashirama fan for 2 years now, on every Naruto game I've played him just for the fact what hes done so long ago.

The only thing I am saying is if you're going to look into what Kabuto said which was even bullshit, he didn't say HOKAGE he said of KAGES, then look into what Kabuto said about Hashirama NOW.

The thing I always say is just wait till we get a flashback and till Hashirama gets HIS screentime and hype.
Stop shoving your nose everywhere and speculating things about other people especially not me, because out of all the crazy people I've seen on this forum you WERE along with some few other guys the only ones that made sense.
Keep doing what you're doing and keep giving opinions about what YOU think people said, especially against me.

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

Exactly.



We will know when the author changes his mind either by him directly ruining the credibility of the source or someone else stating the same about another character.

Btw, I said Sakura not Sasuke, lol.Also Hiruzen was also a master clone user so he could use the same method Naruto used to learn rasenshuriken in less than a month.Hiruzen is also much smarter and can take more punishment(look at his clones during the oro fight) than him so his clones would master the techs much quicker.

My mistake on the sasuke thing.And I doubt Hiruzen could used the clones the same way naruto did because naruto is an Uzumaki and he has Kurama chakra to pull from.
If we go by the databook ranks, Hiruzen's chakra was no where near the level of naruto which makes me doubt he could pull it off.

 

[Owarij]

Ok, so he could use gentle fist but he can't see the chakra points making it a useless jutsu.

At one point in history he could use the specialty techniques of all the hidden clans because he learn them before the clans decided to keep them in house.

Now explain how he could used every nature element in the leaf without a rinnegan when it was stated in the manga that no shinobi in the history of the world can do that?

Then explain how he could used Itachi MS abilities without having MS and being a Uchiha.I mean, Orochimaru was using the past tense and Itachi gain his MS while Hiruzen was hokage? And what about Shisui Uchiha's Kotoamatsukami which was only in his two eyes which Itachi had one and Danzo had the other.How did Hiruzen pull off this feat of knowing and using Kotoamatsukami without a Shisui MS eye?

Again, it is impossible for Hiruzen to be able to use all the jutsus in the Konoha.That statement can only be describes as hype, which was later contradicted by the manga.

woah? what? EXISTING konoha jutsu
existing meaning operating under a particular time... which means not dead ninja...
so that automatically drops out all past ninja like hashirama etc...and when hiruzen was called professor shishui was probably still a kid.. itachi wasn't even born yet.. i said already orochimaru spoke in past tense... he COULD, now he can't...yea he tried keeping up with jutsu learning (death reaper seal) but at that time he didn't know all the jutsu anymore .. and sharingan isn't actually a jutsu, its a doujutsu, a genetic mutation of the eye.. the things it uses are jutsu - amaterasu etc, molding chakra to create things..

 

[Ryuu..]

That's an opinion, I never said that, that's what YOU think I said.
It's the other numnuts from these forums who compare Hashirama to Rikudo Sennin, your just that typical guy who start thinking things about that other guy while you don't know anything about him, you don't know anything about me.
You only noticed the Hashirama in my name? Why not the Madara? Ever noticed I dislike Madara ever since he got summoned by Edo Tensei? You're the clown here because I've said multiple times that I dislike Madara, ever since he's summoned all he does it talk and spam Susano'o, but you don't know anything about me, I'm a Hashirama fan for 2 years now, on every Naruto game I've played him just for the fact what hes done so long ago.

The only thing I am saying is if you're going to look into what Kabuto said which was even bullshit, he didn't say HOKAGE he said of KAGES, then look into what Kabuto said about Hashirama NOW.

The thing I always say is just wait till we get a flashback and till Hashirama gets HIS screentime and hype.
Stop shoving your nose everywhere and speculating things about other people especially not me, because out of all the crazy people I've seen on this forum you WERE along with some few other guys the only ones that made sense.
Keep doing what you're doing and keep giving opinions about what YOU think people said, especially against me.

*facepalm*

Like I care if Madara is in your name, we're talking about Hashirama not Madara. I brought it up because it points to possible bias on your part when talking about Hiruzen and Hashirama.

We can wait until Hashirama gets his screen time but my point is that until then you should accept Hiruzen as being the strongest. If you're still confused go back and read my thread, it will clear up all your questions

 

[Owarij]

My mistake on the sasuke thing.And I doubt Hiruzen could used the clones the same way naruto did because naruto is an Uzumaki and he has Kurama chakra to pull from.
If we go by the databook ranks, Hiruzen's chakra was no where near the level of naruto which makes me doubt he could pull it off.

in his old age hiruzen had a 3 in stamina, which is comparable to kakashi.. but it was said that his chakra drastically decreased compared to his youth due to old age..

so if his decreased chakra is 3, aka kakashi's level, you can only guess what his prime chakra was


ofc he didn't have as much as naruto :O, naruto with help from kyuubi has almost infinite chakra

 

[Owarij]

ok. if it was Onoki he would have obliterated Orochimaru before Edo Tensei was performed
he wont get trapped by a barrier since he'd fly out before it was erected
Even if he gets trapped in a barrier he can do this-
perform his heavy weight tech on the two Hokages they can't move or form seals since they'd weight a ton and he can Dust release Orochimaru to oblivion
If it was Chiyo she would poison the two Hokages with gas which can't be avoided since they are in a barrier then control their poisoned and paralysed bodies then seal them with her Chakra surpressing seal which she used on Sasori's body before he removed his heart, this is possible since Oro's Edo are useless and don't even notice when they are tagged with explosive notes and she can do this before tags enter their heads. Don't even get me started on Danzo.
Hiruzen is ALL HYPE. People don't ususally live up to their hype. Look at Madara, if not for Mokuton and Rinnegan he'd have been sealed a long time ago. don't respond to MadaraHashirama, he'll just keep flaming you.

only in a fairy tale world would the fights go like that my friend.. only in a fairy tale world..

 

[MadaraHashirama]

*facepalm*

Like I care if Madara is in your name, we're talking about Hashirama not Madara. I brought it up because it points to possible bias on your part when talking about Hiruzen and Hashirama.

We can wait until Hashirama gets his screen time but my point is that until then you should accept Hiruzen as being the strongest. If you're still confused go back and read my thread, it will clear up all your questions

I did read your thread and I've even gave you a +rep for it for the effort which I'm regretting now. In that very post where I said I gave you a +rep which I did, I also did say I still strongly disagree with you and I will never be convinced that Hiruzen is stronger then Hashirama, unless Kishi clearly STATES it NOW while the Hashirama hype OR in a interview, otherwise I won't believe it.
The only Hokage that could be the strongest was Minato, he was so young but yet he was a genius, if he had time to reach his prime and beyond he would've been the strongest and even Jiraiya said so if I remember correctly. <- This I accept without a problem, I just want to believe something if I can see it, I need to see something to believe something. Pretty bothersome but that's how I am.

 

[siyo]

My mistake on the sasuke thing.And I doubt Hiruzen could used the clones the same way naruto did because naruto is an Uzumaki and he has Kurama chakra to pull from.
If we go by the databook ranks, Hiruzen's chakra was no where near the level of naruto which makes me doubt he could pull it off.

NP.Nobody is denying that Naruto is the biggest chakra beast in the manga , but Hiruzen had a large chakra reserve in his prime.His intellect, knowledge, and overall skill would make up for the gap between him and Naruto since he wouldn't waste a movement.

Your are talking about the 69 year old man who was nowhere his youth (although he bested three kage-level fighters).

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[Ryuu..]

I did read your thread and I've even gave you a +rep for it for the effort which I'm regretting now. In that very post where I said I gave you a +rep which I did, I also did say I still strongly disagree with you and I will never be convinced that Hiruzen is stronger then Hashirama, unless Kishi clearly STATES it NOW while the Hashirama hype OR in a interview, otherwise I won't believe it.
The only Hokage that was the strongest was Minato, he was so young but yet he was a genius, if he had time to reach his prime and beyond he would've been the strongest and even Jiraiya said so if I remember correctly. <- This I accept without a problem, I just want to believe something if I can see it, I need to see something to believe something. Pretty bothersome but that's how I am.

Agree with the Minato part about potential.

You can believe what you like but just know that it is not factually correct.

 

[Prince Charles]

legit. +rep

 

[MadaraHashirama]

Agree with the Minato part about potential.

You can believe what you like but just know that it is not factually correct.

Exactly, that's because I've seen what Minato was capable of even in his young age, how bothersome it is that's proof for me what someone is capable of, Minato has proven himself and aslong as we don't see Hiruzen in his prime or what he is capable of I don't believe anything of him being the strongest Hokage because neither have we even known something Hiruzen has done, like how Minato has done great things, like how Hashirama ended the wars, like how Tobirama created Edo Tensei one of the most powerful jutsu's.
And a God is a someone to have created everything, you can't call anyone a God in Naruto because Rikudo Sennin has that title, he created the Ninja World and he founded Ninjutsu <- THAT'S what a God does.

I am a pretty annoying guy to argue against (in your eyes) but that's how I am

 

[~Uzumaki~]

only in a fairy tale world would the fights go like that my friend.. only in a fairy tale world..

they'd certainly do better than Third hokage