[Theory] Tobi: Thread for all Tobi theories and related discussions .

[Ryuu..]

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Now there are many Tobi theories, but with what we know so far, I believe there to be only two which really make sense.

We know;
- It can't be Obito as it doesn't fit the timeline (13 or so yr old Obito fighting Minato? Please........). Also, Obito had the Senju's 'Will of fire' which goes totally against Tobi's plan/personality.
- It can't be Shisui because he too had the will of fire. Also he was around the same age as Itachi and Itachi was just a child the night Naruto was born:

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- It can't be Madara because he's been revived via Edo Tensei.
- No info is known about Kagami Uchiha.
- Fugaku Uchiha is a suspicious character but his particular character/personality/abilities doesn't suggest he could be Tobi.

Theory 1: Tobi is Izuna
Now, this is a very controversial idea, however I know that there are alot of people on Narutobase who feel that this could be the case. Izuna was said to be born with exceptionally strong chakra, even for an Uchiha member. It's Possible that he could've faked his own death in order to trick people into believing he couldn't be Tobi. Madara could've probably lent him some of Hashirama's DNA which could explain why Tobi has survived for so long (why he is just a 'shell' of his former self) and why he can rebuild body parts using white Zetsu (who is also made up of Hashirama DNA)

This could explain why Tobi can handle the Rinnegan, which uses excessive amounts of chakra. Also, consider the possibility that Tobi is going to betray Madara's original plan. I sense in the Manga he has been acting quite irratically and impatiently. He may be tired of being Madara's 'sidekick' and may be ready to seize power himself. It links in with the Idea that Izuna might be fed up of following his brother's orders, which would've been along the lines of "get Nagato to use Rinne Tensei and revive me at a later date".

Some people may say 'why didn't Tobi just use the Rinnegan in the first place; why use Nagato?' Well, it may be that Madara knew entrusting the Rinnegan directly to Tobi would've meant Tobi would be stronger than him and thus Madara would lose a degree of control over him. Tobi only took the rinnegan after Nagato had died (after betraying him and using Rinne Tensei on the leaf when it was supposed to be for Tobi's purposes); He never thought Nagato/Pain could be beaten by any shinobi at the present time.

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Tobi's one goal seems to be the completion of Madara's Moon's eye plan; this could be Izuna showing his commitment to Madara's cause (well he's pretty committed to his brother considering he willingly sacriced his eyes). Interestingly, whilst Madara was rivalled by Hashirama, have you ever considered Izuna was rivalled by Tobirama? This could lead to why he calls himself 'Tobi' and uses S/T jutsu (something the second hokage was famous for). Coincidence? Could the 2 older brothers and the 2 younger brothers all be rivals? Even though they were enemies there is always a high degree of respect between opponents, possibly why Izuna named himself Tobi, after Tobirama Senju.

Theory 2: Tobi is a zetsu clone
Consider what we know about Zetsu:
- He has plant like qualities (Similar to Hashirama's abilities)

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-He can be replicated easily:

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-We can conclude that Zetsu is made up of Hashirama's DNA:

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Now, I believe after the Valley of the end fight, Madara was seriosuly injured and was close to death. Using some of the left over Hashirama DNA, he created Zetsu. Unfortunately, Zetsu was nowhere near the level of power with Hashirama possessed. However, Madara learned of some interesting Zetsu abilities, most notably this one:

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Zetsu used this ability to become a clone of Madara: He became Tobi. This would explain why Tobi is able to combine with zetsu so easily:

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This could explain why Tobi just claims to be no-one and seems so commited to Madara's original plan:

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It could also explain why Tobi says he's a shadow of his former self......The Zetsu clone was never going to be as strong as the original Madara and also this was around 70 years ago; the clone (Tobi) may've weakened considerably over time.

Zetsu cannot copy other Shinobi's KKG, which could explain why he was unable to initally take Madara's Rinnegan; he needed a way of getting around this problem. Alternatively, Tobi was initially unable to use the Rinnegan due to the amount of chakra it sucked; he probably could only use a normal sharingan/byakugan. Luckily for Tobi, he was going to be able to get his hands on many sharingan.........His main aim however was completing Madara's will; finding a new host for his Rinnegan, reviving him and completing Moons eye plan.

 

[Thatoneguy]

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At first i thought you were going to say he was obito, and i was gonna be like :flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw: , but than you said related and I was like. And than i realized this makes me sound like a poorly educated girl, and i was like :sy:

 

[Sasuke2]

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Tobi is Izuna, that's a given.

 

[M4D4R4 UCH1H4]

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it's a pretty well thought theory! good stuff man!!

 

[Pretium]

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Tobi is Izuna, that's a given.

It.... Is??

 

[Sasuke2]

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Yeah, It ain't Obito and you know it.

 

[Pretium]

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Yeah, It ain't Obito and you know it.

Zetsu Or Madara May Have Made Tobi, Or Madara Made Both Of Them, Either Way, I Think Tobi's Sharingan Is Stolen, It Could Be Obito's

 

[Pretium]

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Madara May Have Grown Zetsu Out Of The First's DNA And Tobi Out Of His Own

 

[-Jiraiya-]

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Okay nice point .........see ..if we believe that Izuna willingly gave his eyes to madara ...as said by tobi ....and acquired another set of sharingan eyes to battle ....now he has new eyes ....and he is an ally of madara ....see there's no proof that madara betrayd izuna ...it's all the view point of itachi and tobi ......i guess orochimaru too had some sort of connection with tobi

^ Yep. There is no proof. All we can do is speculate...

How can Tobi ever be obito. Obito was a really nice person and not selfish at all and cared a lot about his comrades and the village. Now look at Tobi. The personalitys really do not match.

Nice theory btw.

^ Thats what I am also thinking. Thank you.

1. When did Obito if he is Tobi, get the chance to attain the rinnegan.

2. He persuaded Yahiko to start the Akatsuki in Amegakure?

^ I said I am not into Obito theory....

Good theory, and it shows that you put some thought into it. You are right that Tobi could be literally anybody (new or old to the series), and it's nice to see a theory that does not involve hair styles or body types (i.e. things that tend to change over time).

^ Thank you.

I made a similar thread about this a long time ago. However, I was speculating that Tobi is a combination of Izunas DNA and the left side of Black Zetsu. Then they found the other sharingan in Obito's corpse and took it for their own use, thus giving Tobi access to the perfect form of Kamui.

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^ We do have Kamui in common which is purely coincidental, but my theory is a advanced Kamui theory.

this is a relly good theory.

^ Thank you.

At first i thought you were going to say he was obito, and i was gonna be like :flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw: , but than you said related and I was like. And than i realized this makes me sound like a poorly educated girl, and i was like :sy:

^ Lol.

it's a pretty well thought theory! good stuff man!!

^ Thank you.

The Only Thing I like was that U SAID That Other dimensions Might be slowing Time +rep

^ Thank you.

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

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i'm with you on this. Tobizuna died in chapter 577
are you kidding me? Izuna theory is dead, 2 facts confirm this
1) first and foremost, Madara knows who Tobi is - HE KNOWS
2) then Madara stated that Izuna died
what more do you need? :sy:

Please think more carefully about this. Madara knows his own brother, so your 1st point is ok. 2nd point he stated that he died which is true Madara has the Rinnegan and used the Outer Path to bring him back. He needed to die in order for this to happen. He also boasts about being able to bring people back from the dead.

^ This

Madara does know who Tobi is. Tobi is following the same plan mentioned by Madara(Moon's eye plan) and Kabuto mentioned him to real Madara as "fake Madara".

Yep Izuna and Madara are working together. Big surprise. Nice one.

I am Kabuto.. his partner/coworker (Kirin's translation)

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Still unsure why this is important. His refers to Tobi. So what?

Do you know OUR plan as well?

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Not in detail but I am on YOUR side..

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Though I am unsure if FAKE MADARA will act as PLANNED

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Three links to the same page.:sy: Still could be Izuna, they are both planning to execute the Infinite Tsukuyomi.

Mankind will be better served sleeping peacefuly in the Infite Tsukuyomi.

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Fantastic, this is a fact, thanks for sharing a page of the manga with me. WHATS YOUR POINT. :sy:

There's something I want to make sure of... It appears you haven't caught the Kyuubi yet.

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Fantastic, this is a fact, thanks for sharing a page of the manga with me. WHATS YOUR POINT. :sy:

Still a part of their plan.

Madara knowns Tobi and he confirmed Izuna's death. Aside from this, Izuna was confirmed dead in Tobi's flashback (lying in a coffin along with other fallen Uchiha's) and he was confirmed to be dead in 3rd databook.

Both brothers wanted revenge. As for your points, :flaw: Madara does know Tobi and he knows his own brother Izuna. He states that he died not that he is dead I don't understand why you cannot understand this. Kakashi died but is not dead. See? It is worded in the past tense. At some point he died. This is all true. He was brought back and is not dead. Stop being so incredibly tarded that you cannot understand this. I NEED SOURCES FOR YOUR DATABOOK. Everything else has been addressed and Tobi could still be Izuna.

 

[WTFninjaAnimals]

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Here is my theory .I think tobI can't be obito cause of his age when tobI fought Minato.and his head was crushed and there was blood so I don't think his eye survive. I think he's really old because of the fight with conan. And I'm start in to think that he is madara because even when he's alone he talks as if he is madara. Also kurama specifically said he was madara. I know madara became an edo so he can't be tobi .but as youve seen in the fight at against the third hokage. The third sealed a part of orochimarus soul. So I think a part of madara died the other became to I.

 

[PositiveEmotions]

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Here is my theory .I think tobI can't be obito cause of his age when tobI fought Minato.and his head was crushed and there was blood so I don't think his eye survive. I think he's really old because of the fight with conan. And I'm start in to think that he is madara because even when he's alone he talks as if he is madara. Also kurama specifically said he was madara. I know madara became an edo so he can't be tobi .but as youve seen in the fight at against the third hokage. The third sealed a part of orochimarus soul. So I think a part of madara died the other became to I.

that fight its still a mistary but people are forgetting the fact that obito knew minatos techniques and also tobi knew his techniques as well it kinda noticiable but as for age wise no one really knows that to me tbh tobi has the same body type as kakashi they look the same age bc during the fight kakashi was a teen and tobi looked like a teen as well and when they announce tobi for the first time he was kind of goofy also obito had goofy moments in the manga but of course i am not saying its 100% sure that is obito but theres a possibility ​

 

[spatha]

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nice idea, however i dont think tobi has shown ems? If he has then i know he didnt earlier in his appearances, just ms. One thing we know about the sharingan, is base level only allows for hightened awareness, and basic genjutsus, while ms allowes for the serious techs (i.e. ameterasu, sussono, tsukuyomi, custom techs, etc.) however another thing we know from watching, is those who use the MS level techs (those i just listed) are inflicted with severe damage to the eye used, or in the case of shisuis, it is blinded for 10 years, and in the case of the tech danzo was using, blinds the eye permanently. Given that anyone who has ever used an MS tech, has been shown to be afflicted with some pain or damage after, we can assume that given how much tobi uses both his jutsu to become non solid and his little warp into his own dimension, i assume its not sharingan, but a S/T jutsu.

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

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nice idea, however i dont think tobi has shown ems? If he has then i know he didnt earlier in his appearances, just ms. One thing we know about the sharingan, is base level only allows for hightened awareness, and basic genjutsus, while ms allowes for the serious techs (i.e. ameterasu, sussono, tsukuyomi, custom techs, etc.) however another thing we know from watching, is those who use the MS level techs (those i just listed) are inflicted with severe damage to the eye used, or in the case of shisuis, it is blinded for 10 years, and in the case of the tech danzo was using, blinds the eye permanently. Given that anyone who has ever used an MS tech, has been shown to be afflicted with some pain or damage after, we can assume that given how much tobi uses both his jutsu to become non solid and his little warp into his own dimension, i assume its not sharingan, but a S/T jutsu.

Izanagi is a regular sharingan technique but a "serious" one. being that he sucks things into his eye I think his S/T is a sharingan technique. The only question is is it a MS technique. He is neither going blind or exchanging eyes, which means if it is MS then he has EMS. Point is, I think it is either not a sharingan technique at all, or it is MS. Or Sharingan but not MS which i don't understand but ok.

 

[M4D4R4 UCH1H4]

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At first i thought you were going to say he was obito, and i was gonna be like :flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw: , but than you said related and I was like. And than i realized this makes me sound like a poorly educated girl, and i was like :sy:

off topic i know! sorry! but this is hilarious!!

 

[z49skin]

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My only thing is that Kakashi uses Kamui (his only S/T ninjutsu) when he has MS on. Tobi uses it on base Sharingan. From your rationale, Kakashi should be able to use S/T ninjutsu with base Sharingan, but I have never seen him use it.

very good point. he was also using it before he han rinnegan so it rules that out. also everyone seems to think tobi has EMS but (unless i've missed something) has anyone ever seen him use MS?

i know he's said he took his bro's eyes but that was when he was pretending to be madara

 

[Just Enjoy This Shit]

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Alright so...First post...I joined this forum STRICTLY to debate Tobi theories..Ive never had this much fun with anime ever hahaha.

But on the real side, Before you Naruexperts flame me I wanna throw in my 2 cents.

I DONT BELIEVE THIS BUT IT SOUNDS LOGICAL
All these "Tobi is Obito" or "Shisui" theories need work, Kagami or Izuna seem to fit the mask better than those two STRICTLY BECAUSE OF TOBI'S AGE and WRINKLES.

Therefore I think its either the Sage's Eldest son
1. look at The eldest's eye design and Tobi's Mask design..(EXACTLY IDENTICAL)

2. Tobi looks even more old than Danzo, the Sage's son would be old as Sh1t obviously.

3. Madara said when he was brought back via ET that "this must have been 'HIS' plan." (I'm assuming he means Tobi) And not according to how Madara wanted to be brought back. Thats not important..what is is that Madara knows and conspires with Tobi ALL THE WAY BACK THEN...Kagami isnt alive...no major Uchihas are except for Izuna and possibly the Sage's son.

4. Sealing and Space Time Jutsu secretly play a major role in this story...and Naruto's "kyuubi like" prison is alot like the "prison of squares" Tobi holds the Aburame and the other guy in for a long A$$ time. Therefore im assuming it is like a place free from time. The Sage's son could have made such a place with his abilities and thus have a lifetime to plan and conspire free from the normal eb and flow of "real" space and time.

Also when he fights Minato, Minato talks about tobi's proficiency in S/T jutsu, and how it surpasses his flying thunder god tech.

6. The Curse of Hate....What spawned the Curse of Hate...SO6P choosing the youngest..Tobi/Eldest son manipulates those to keep HIS hate going.

7. Knowledge...Tobi knows everything..even the "myth" of the Sage's beginnings. How? BECAUSE HE IS THE MOFOS SON.

8. I AM NO ONE. The Sage's son has no specified name. (to my knowledge)
so when Tobi says I am noone he is right. He is Legend...

My Other Theory
Is the "Empty Container"/"shell of his former self Madara theory. "

Alotta LOGICAL theories incorporate this belief, or some type of belief that Madara used his Yin/Yang release or something from the Rinnegan to empty his whatever you wanna call it into the empty container that is Tobi to do his bidding, while Madara's soul and real body reside in the pure world. (OBVIOUSLY THIS IS TRUE HE GOT BROUGHT BACK VIA EDO TENSEI..THAT IS THE UNDERLYING REQUIREMENT)

Now i believe Tobi is supposed to be the "helper" Madara made to fulfill his preparations (such as giving AN UZUMAKI DESCENDANT the Rin, and aquiring Bijuus) untill Nagato could grow up and be bred into this world-mongerer tobi brainwashed loser that brings back Madara.

Such is the way ZETSU was made to help Tobi create his army of Bijuus.
Now obviously Nagato had plans of his own, Just as TOBI might have played Madaras true plan and wants the (dead original's) power.

I believe the "empty container" to be probably Izuna's reanimated corpse, as Izuna had no eyes of his own, and would need the Uchiha massacre to harvest them. (also explains why Tobi hasnt used MS????) This could be logical in the sense that he was brought back via an INCOMPLETE ET performed my NOT a master of it..Therefore his body has flaws, and needs to incorporate parts of Zetsu..extra eyes..etc

(whos to say that Tobirama's ET couldnt revive Kekkei Genkai like Kabuto's)
This IMO explains Tobi's need for Eyes, his manipulation of Itachi, and a myriad of other things.)

This also explains the similarities in Tobi and Tobirama if he was brought back using the 2nds secret tech.

But for 1 of these to be right the other must be wrong
Which leaves me at a sad disconnect cause i want both to end up being true in some Way Shape Form.

Flame now please. Thats just how I see it. He CANT be someone who would have been like 13-16 like Obito or Shisui...

Edit:I didnt want to waste my time sourcing, ive read most of the manga, and watched 99% of the anime minus useless fillers..Don't call me not well versed in the Naruto Universe since this is my first post. Check your ego at the door all you internet warriors.

I NOW USURP THE THRONE AS MASTER OF TOBI THEORIES..CHALLENGES ACCEPTED

 

[Just Enjoy This Shit]

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-Obito- & -Tobi-
both wear orange, have same face structure, some words/sentences they can sound similar

then bam not even the same person

One was like 10 at the time of the Kyuubi attack..
The other is HUNDREDS of years old.

Tobi's Space Time jutsu is super ultra mega imprtant...we will see..
My little theory is he is the

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Eldest Son of the Sage

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He had the precursor to sharingan and rinnegan, which would i would assume, mean he has AMAZING and pretty much unlimited abilities like S/T jutsus, Senju and Uchiha dna, and the hate that manifests itself for generations.

He could warp himself in his little "square dimension" plot for thirty years, come out and do his business, warp back, plot, wait till Nagato gets older, check up, warp back, make Zetsu, warp back, wait, come back when its an army, go back. And only ages when he's in the normal plane of space time. When he is in his little mind world he is seperate from S/T and doesnt age...

If he has y/y release abilites then this is all logical..as he can form and create all he wants.


This makes more sense than that obito or shisui garbage the 11 year olds on this forum call theories.

 

[NaruSage314]

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Reading this stuff, it sounds reasonable to me that Tobi could be a clone that was grown with Hashirama and Madara's DNA, but was not completely the same as Madara, and they both worked together before Madara died, staying alive long enough for Madara to use the rinnegan to read the Uchiha temple wall explaing about the Juubi, using Hashirama and his own DNA to grow a clone to test it out, possibly creating the first Zettsu who was black and white using that bigass Hashirama plant thing at Badguy HQ and then Tobi who was incomplete and possibly deranged (I'll explain this later). Enough time passed for Madara to know about Nagato and make a plan for him since by that time Madara was most likely on the verge of dying, and left Tobi to get things ready for the time when Madara would return.

Tobi probably already had the Sharingan but not the Rinnegan since he had to use and kill his left eye with Izanagi to survive (if he possesed the Rinnegan all along he wouldnt have used that to begin with, probably took Madara's eyes or something he learned from them after Madara died to give Nagato the Rinnegan) and since his right arm was back after it was destroyed by Konan's attack, he obviously can regenerate his body parts thus giving credability to the incomplete Hashirama/Madara clone theory. Once he retrieved Nagato's eyes he was able to put one of them in his left socket, and might be saving the other for something else (I'm pretty sure that he used the black spikes in the jinchiriki's bodies to give them both rinnegan and sharingan) maybe he needs access to a rinnegan eye/eyes to give others the rinnegan, in which case he used Madaras eyes to give it to Nagato somehow (It may be possible that the Uzumaki clan are not only relatives of the Senju, but the Uchiha as well, would explain the straight jump to the Rinnegan for Nagato as the Sage had both the younger bothers and older brothers traits)
The "to become complete" statement and Tobi talking about Nagato betraying him by not using the resurrection ability for him gives good possibility that he wanted him to resurect Madara to make Tobi complete as in Tobi having the full powers of Madara and Hashirama both, although once resurected Madara probably wanted to give himself the full powers of Hashirama and himself not Tobi, which would explain why Kabuto said that Tobi may be changed the plan when he used to Edo Tensei on Madara.

In my personal opinion, I dont think Tobi wants to use the power of the Juubi to make peace, I think he wants to use it to wipe everything out. "This world is completely worthless... there is nothing left in it but misery." This statement gives insight into how he views things, while Madara would word things with the world being full of hatred. The kind of person that Tobi is from what I have seen and read, tells me that he just wants to watch the world burn (which is why I said he is deranged as what most criminally insane people in these stories enjoy destruction, death, and making people suffer, not anyone specific, just any person and anything will do)

 

[Floydical]

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Alright so...First post...I joined this forum STRICTLY to debate Tobi theories..Ive never had this much fun with anime ever hahaha.

But on the real side, Before you Naruexperts flame me I wanna throw in my 2 cents.

I DONT BELIEVE THIS BUT IT SOUNDS LOGICAL
All these "Tobi is Obito" or "Shisui" theories need work, Kagami or Izuna seem to fit the mask better than those two STRICTLY BECAUSE OF TOBI'S AGE and WRINKLES.

Therefore I think its either the Sage's Eldest son
1. look at The eldest's eye design and Tobi's Mask design..(EXACTLY IDENTICAL)

2. Tobi looks even more old than Danzo, the Sage's son would be old as Sh1t obviously.

3. Madara said when he was brought back via ET that "this must have been 'HIS' plan." (I'm assuming he means Tobi) And not according to how Madara wanted to be brought back. Thats not important..what is is that Madara knows and conspires with Tobi ALL THE WAY BACK THEN...Kagami isnt alive...no major Uchihas are except for Izuna and possibly the Sage's son.

4. Sealing and Space Time Jutsu secretly play a major role in this story...and Naruto's "kyuubi like" prison is alot like the "prison of squares" Tobi holds the Aburame and the other guy in for a long A$$ time. Therefore im assuming it is like a place free from time. The Sage's son could have made such a place with his abilities and thus have a lifetime to plan and conspire free from the normal eb and flow of "real" space and time.

Also when he fights Minato, Minato talks about tobi's proficiency in S/T jutsu, and how it surpasses his flying thunder god tech.

6. The Curse of Hate....What spawned the Curse of Hate...SO6P choosing the youngest..Tobi/Eldest son manipulates those to keep HIS hate going.

7. Knowledge...Tobi knows everything..even the "myth" of the Sage's beginnings. How? BECAUSE HE IS THE MOFOS SON.

8. I AM NO ONE. The Sage's son has no specified name. (to my knowledge)
so when Tobi says I am noone he is right. He is Legend...

My Other Theory
Is the "Empty Container"/"shell of his former self Madara theory. "

Alotta LOGICAL theories incorporate this belief, or some type of belief that Madara used his Yin/Yang release or something from the Rinnegan to empty his whatever you wanna call it into the empty container that is Tobi to do his bidding, while Madara's soul and real body reside in the pure world. (OBVIOUSLY THIS IS TRUE HE GOT BROUGHT BACK VIA EDO TENSEI..THAT IS THE UNDERLYING REQUIREMENT)

Now i believe Tobi is supposed to be the "helper" Madara made to fulfill his preparations (such as giving AN UZUMAKI DESCENDANT the Rin, and aquiring Bijuus) untill Nagato could grow up and be bred into this world-mongerer tobi brainwashed loser that brings back Madara.

Such is the way ZETSU was made to help Tobi create his army of Bijuus.
Now obviously Nagato had plans of his own, Just as TOBI might have played Madaras true plan and wants the (dead original's) power.

I believe the "empty container" to be probably Izuna's reanimated corpse, as Izuna had no eyes of his own, and would need the Uchiha massacre to harvest them. (also explains why Tobi hasnt used MS????) This could be logical in the sense that he was brought back via an INCOMPLETE ET performed my NOT a master of it..Therefore his body has flaws, and needs to incorporate parts of Zetsu..extra eyes..etc

(whos to say that Tobirama's ET couldnt revive Kekkei Genkai like Kabuto's)
This IMO explains Tobi's need for Eyes, his manipulation of Itachi, and a myriad of other things.)

This also explains the similarities in Tobi and Tobirama if he was brought back using the 2nds secret tech.

But for 1 of these to be right the other must be wrong
Which leaves me at a sad disconnect cause i want both to end up being true in some Way Shape Form.

Flame now please. Thats just how I see it. He CANT be someone who would have been like 13-16 like Obito or Shisui...

Edit:I didnt want to waste my time sourcing, ive read most of the manga, and watched 99% of the anime minus useless fillers..Don't call me not well versed in the Naruto Universe since this is my first post. Check your ego at the door all you internet warriors.

I NOW USURP THE THRONE AS MASTER OF TOBI THEORIES..CHALLENGES ACCEPTED

Wow nice first post Mr. master xd. First, I want to bring to your attention that the only requirement for edo tensei is for the soul to be in the pure world, not both the body and soul, as you stated. I don't know if this is a mistake on your part, but clearly Torume was brought back with Fuu's body as a sacrifice with Torume's dead body lying just a yard away.

Basically the only reason I'm stating this is to back my main theory, that Tobi is using Madara's dead body. The whereabouts of Madara's actual body are unknown, making it possible that Tobi is using it. Obviously, whoever Tobi is, he's using zetsu/ the first's dna to live longer, but it would make good sense, imo, that he's using Madara's dead body and is weak because of it.

Other than that, I agree with your logic totally, Tobi is basically an unknown person/ soul inhabiting the body of another person. And the only way I can see this being the case without all the naruto fans in the universe having a field day is if he's using Madara's old body. I personally also think that Tobi has no recollection in regard to who he actually was before inahabiting Madara's body. If that's true, it would explain his statement about being no one.