Base Naruto Jonin lvl ??

[Monkeysageof6paths]

base naruto... in terms of power, base naruto = jounin lv, in terms of battle experience, tactic and analyze skills= chuunin. But in some cases, he can really show that hes able to oversmart hes enemy.

i agree

 

[Monkeysageof6paths]

Well for the first time on a thread , everybody is agreeing xd

 

[Monkeysageof6paths]

without being in sage mode at the very least he is a middle classed jounin... he still has a basic rasenshuriken tho so he could be very close to beating kakashi

Kakashi WITHOUT sharingan

 

[vikrant rapta]

he can just use one element nd he cannot make a rasengan of which he should be an expert of without a kage bunshin

 

[Monkeysageof6paths]

he can just use one element nd he cannot make a rasengan of which he should be an expert of without a kage bunshin

so ? what's your point ?

 

[silmarill]

His a chuunin lvl with 1 S rank tech

The guy is slow,ave tai, no gen, and only 1 element how can he be jounin level in base.

go read the thread like a man and come back instead of posting nonsense

 

[Monkeysageof6paths]

go read the thread like a man and come back instead of posting nonsense

yea no sh*t

 

[fastrthnwind]

Lee, easily. When Neji was a Chuunin, he could have. If they choose to develop their skills and become well-rounded, they can easily block and dodge simple hand-to-hand combat techniques from an already tired opponent.

I'll give Naruto.....a Low-Mid Jonin-Level base. He isn't as good as Kakashi or Gai.



As for the Kakuzu argument.....Kakuzu was not only tired by this point, but his attention was also split amongst Kakashi and Yamato, the more obvious threats-- As well as Naruto. If Naruto was a Jonin-Level Nin, he should be able to stand toe-to-toe with Kakuzu, atleast for a little while with Shikamaru's help. Even with Shikamaru and Naruto vs Kakuzu, they wouldn't have a chance of lasting as long as Kakashi did alone; Naruto had only one way to fight Kakuzu at any point, including when he had the masks out.....All or nothing. Kill him quickly or it's over and he's going to take Kurama from me. I'll put him on....Aoba's level. That's a good spot I think.



Naruto was in SM when he swooped Sakura.

It's not like I'm downgrading him, I'm just not upgrading him either. He isn't particularly intelligent in the manner of analyzing the battle, but he does use Kage Bunshin EXTREMELY WELL. He has good stamina as well. His taijutsu, ninjutsu, and genjutsu are all lacking in his base, and he has bad speed which makes his ONLY ninjutsu, the Rasengan and it's variants, next to useless. Again, I'm not saying he's bad, I'm just saying he isn't GREAT outside of SM, KCM, and BM. He obtained these techniques for a reason, and that's why he uses them.

When I say lacking, I mean lacking. He can't be considered an S-Jounin while only being able to dodge taijutsu attacks from Tendo. Sorry, dodging isn't winning, it's losing.

As for Ninjutsu, he specializes in close range. He neither has the speed to close the gap nor does he have the strength to make them honor it. Not to mention he can't toss that nasty Shuriken of his outside of SM/KCM/BM. Also, it's not like he has the speed to hit people with it. I already explained my reasoning for the Kakuzu outcome, I'm not open for discussion on that one; So don't bring it up.

Genjutsu he just fails; No explanation needed.

Overall, it's not as if he's bad, he is simply MEDIOCRE. Hence Aoba's rank. Not Anbu Leader material by any means like Kakashi or Gai, but certainly not horrid like Ebisu. He is certainly incomplete in his skillset. Too many holes for me to comfortably say he's Elite. Hope this clears things up a little. I'll be revising my post with some minor changes because I'm too tired to think clearly. Come back at a later time and check it if you value my opinion.

Thank you for mentioning this. People weren't seeing that I wasn't trying to bring naruto down, but explain that his base skills are mostly average. Overall he is like most ordinary ninja but with exceptional stamina, an s-rank jutsu, and is also clever with the use of his shadow clones.

 

[godsmack]

S-rank are experienced jonin level shinobi AND Kage level



, but when he first went to go see kakashi and sakura he went in sage mode

Then he was even slower than he could have been, cuz when sage mode ends the user experiences exaustion.

 

[ghost nappa]

If u ask me, he seems to be a very strong chunin, or a very low lvl jonin. Well if kakashi made jonin for inventing chidori, I guess rasenshuriken has to count for something. Jonin it is.

 

[Easyfathom]

Low jounin I would say... But a yes to your question

 

[TobisPawn]

Yeah, Jounin.

 

[killer1]

he defeated kakuzu in nm he is high level jounin

 

[Hyuga22]

i agree if not jounin then at LEAST chunin lvl

 

[Monkeysageof6paths]

he defeated kakuzu in nm he is high level jounin

it's not because he defeated an s rank character with a single s rank tech makes him a high jonin xd ,

 

[Monkeysageof6paths]

Oh and BTW , Naruto is tronger than Kakashi in term of POWER

 

[Exaar]

it's not because he defeated an s rank character with a single s rank tech makes him a high jonin xd ,

To be Fair Kakashi did do Some damage to him + he was Already in his "Final form" When naruto started at attack.

If Fresh Naruto went up against a Fresh Kakuzu with Zero info on each other, Naruto would of been dominated.

 

[Monkeysageof6paths]

To be Fair Kakashi did do Some damage to him + he was Already in his "Final form" When naruto started at attack.

If Fresh Naruto went up against a Fresh Kakuzu with Zero info on each other, Naruto would of been dominated.

I know xd he would've been dead before he could've said dattebayo xd

 

[Monkeysageof6paths]

without being in sage mode at the very least he is a middle classed jounin... he still has a basic rasenshuriken tho so he could be very close to beating kakashi

idont think soo

 

[Monkeysageof6paths]

Well i guess this was a good thread after all xd , any opinions ?