yeah that's true,but there can't be real science if there is no facts.the fact is that God created things he made it possible for ppl to be able to explain what happened in the past he gave the ppl science....,but there has to be facts.WHAT ARE THOSE FACTS.
[Debate] Does God exist?
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Cassiopeia
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I think this goes back to our debate on "religion" and being saved by works.
even Christ said that many at the day of Judgement would say that they knew Him, but they would be turned away as false people of faith.
even Christ said that many at the day of Judgement would say that they knew Him, but they would be turned away as false people of faith.
I see every religion (and non-religion if you're a good person) is like a path up a mountain. there are different paths, but they all end up at the the same place. If you are devoutly following what you see as right, then I don't see how you would be sent to hell.
Darthlawsuit
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Technically all science is theoretical or it can only observe the effects of a phenomenon but not understand how the phenomenon happens. Wanna tell me what creates gravity? Why do liquids attract to one another? Oh you know atoms? The smallest particle in existence? It has been dis-proven.
So you think I don't necessarily have to believe in God just be a good person. I like that belief if thats what you are implying. I don't believe God would send innocent people that never heard about him to hell.
Cassiopeia
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lmao....a non-believer is way more likely to believe the 2012 crap than i am.....there will be a seven year tribulation period first of all....this is just the start of it all.....God said because his people (hebrew isrealites) have gone after other gods, they will be held captive in a land that is not theirs for 400 years, afterwich HE will bring them up out of their captivity....The so called african americans were brought to james town virginia as CAPTIVES in 1619......400 years from then would be 2019....there is a 7 year gap from 2012 to 2019....so YOU do the math....and yes...like the scriptures state, the jews who say they are jews are NOT jews but they are of the Synagog of satan.....the true hebrews are the so called AFRICAN AMERICANS.....They are under the curses and They have forgotten their identities and true heritage
I think of it more as God would understand if he had been seen in a negative light based on how you were brought up and what you saw, etc etc.
And yeah in my religion (which is Catholicism) there is a dogma called baptism of desire. This means the person striving to know God even if he had never heard of Christianity, or even striving to know his own concept of God and what is right, then he is baptized based on that and is allowed to go to heaven. So if you grew up where you didn't believe in God because of logical reasons, then I believe he would understand. Or if you grew up in a place where no one heard of Christianity but you followed whatever you believed in there you would also be allowed to go to heaven.
Hell is more of a place where people choose to go based on their actions against God and their ultimate willingness not to repent for what they did. This is my belief anyway.
According to Newton's law of gravitation, every single object with mass has a gravitational pull. The larger the object, the greater the gravity. And liquids can attract one another based on the amount of electrons they have.
And I don't know where you are going with the atoms thing, but if you are saying they don't exist, then you are definitely wrong haha
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Cassiopeia
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People have the ball in their court; you must make the choice. Will you put your faith in God or won't you?
We have this time while we are present on this earth to make our choices and be refined.
God does not expect people to be perfect, ever, because he knows our human nature is hard for us to resist and at times control. But, when you put your faith in God, you want to make the right choices. So, it's an endless struggle against the "beast" within, if you will.
The rest We have discussed be4.
We have this time while we are present on this earth to make our choices and be refined.
God does not expect people to be perfect, ever, because he knows our human nature is hard for us to resist and at times control. But, when you put your faith in God, you want to make the right choices. So, it's an endless struggle against the "beast" within, if you will.
The rest We have discussed be4.
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The question itself is flawed. From a Religious aspect the whole concept of faith suggests an uncertainty of God's existence. If people knew that God existed, it wouldn't be faith. So when a religious person claims that God exists, they're simply saying the believe God exists, though they don't know for sure. By calling it "faith" it acknowledges a lack of actually knowing.
From a scientific aspect its impossible to prove or disprove the existence of God through scientific experimentation and therefore science has no ability to address the question of whether or not God exists.
So given on the fundamental basis for both Science and Religion, neither one can answer the question of whether God exists.
So really, the best answer to the question regardless of what your perspective is, is maybe.
From a scientific aspect its impossible to prove or disprove the existence of God through scientific experimentation and therefore science has no ability to address the question of whether or not God exists.
So given on the fundamental basis for both Science and Religion, neither one can answer the question of whether God exists.
So really, the best answer to the question regardless of what your perspective is, is maybe.
Darthlawsuit
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God sends those that follow his will to heaven even if they believe or not. You don't need a book to know his will but you also should not think he does not exist in some shape/form.
Oxygen is an atom <_<;; Hydrogen too. Go learn science.
i dont claim to be christian either because christianity is nothing more than baptised paganism.....all these tradition christians celebrate have nothing to do with God.....infact, they inadvertantly worship the devil in my eyes...the son of man was NOT born december 25th, the easter bunny and easter egg crap is homage to padan fertility gods, the sabbath (7th day of rest) is NOT sunday (the first day of the week) and in going to church on SUNDAY MORNING they pay homage and actually worship an egyptian sun god....lucifer is the SON OF THE MORNING....any true believer knows that christianity is NOT the way....they have changed Gods laws and decieved people on a massive scale...once again the scriptures state, there is a way that SEEMS right, but in the end it leads to death....and the scripture also talks about a STRONG DELUSION that will fool even the ELECT....Christianity is no doubt that delusion.... i read my word everyday and i stopped going to church at the age of 13..i am 20 years old now
Cassiopeia
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yes. allot of truth in that. I understand what you mean.
I don't personally celebrate Easter, I celebrate the Passover,
but, as far as what day you choose to set aside for a "Sabbath" is not a big deal. I only don't attend a church on Sundays because I didn't find a local group /"church" where I agreed with the pastor or where I was getting the real message and not some watered down "politically correct" one.
Christianity has its holidays on the same day and relating to pagan traditions is because when Christianity was being preached to people who were pagan ,the missionaries wanted the pagans to keep their traditions while still being Christian, so that it was syncretic and so they would not totally reject Christianity. So really that argument is invalid since Christmas is just the feast-day of Christ's birth.
As for the lucifer thing, it was never once mentioned in the actual Hebrew bible as the devil's actual name. that name was given to him in Milton's Paradise Lost . So really, all your arguments for Christianity being heresy are invalid.
BTW: Paradise Lost is a fictional book
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