Why Hashirama > BM Naruto

[White Zetsu]

Check the video I put in the OP. 2mins. He would not be able to dodge a non-edo, non-plot no jutsu Hashirama Mokuton attack. It created the entire hidden leaf forrest for goodness sake.

Oh ya I forgot to mention that Edo gives you more power than when you were alive lol.So from what we've clearly see from Hashirama he isn't so great.Imagine Hiruzen vs Non Edo Hashirama LMAO.

 

[Ryuu..]

Why not?
Narutos speed in chakra mode >>> Mokutons speed. Not to mention that Naruto can make several KM clones which would complicate the case even more.

Then he uses bringer of darkness technique and then uses Mokuton. How can naruto dodge what he can't see?

I watched the video.If Hiruzen was able to evade the Mokuton long enough to kill Hashirama then why couldn't Naruto???As you can clearly see Hiruzen is extremely slow compared to Naruto which is nearly teleporting everytime he moves.

Because he created the Hidden Forest he is stronger than Naruto???
So tell me how much years did that amazing feat take him?
Yamato rebuilt most of the Hidden Leaf in less than a month after the Pain attack.

PLOT-NO-JUTSU. and no, not because he created it he's stronger than Naruto, you're missing the point completely......................It's so big that it cannot be dodged. SIMPLE.

 

[White Zetsu]

Madara is kind of a pansy for bringing the fox in to a 1v1 fight in the first place, even more so for running like a scared little betch. Lmao.

Lol as I said before the fight was only for his DNA and Hashirama still had to bring back up lmao.

Madara probably even killed Hashirama in the end in secret.I mean we have no idea how he died so I wouldn't doubt Madara killed him with Tsukyomi or something and made it look like old age.

 

[Ryuu..]

Oh ya I forgot to mention that Edo gives you more power than when you were alive lol.So from what we've clearly see from Hashirama he isn't so great.Imagine Hiruzen vs Non Edo Hashirama LMAO.

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Where does it say you get more power. THAT WAS OROCHIMARU's EDO TENSEI, NOT KABUTO's. Kabuto COMPLETED IT. ORO's was INCOMPLETE. You CANNOT COMPARE THE TWO.

 

[Turson]

Then he uses bringer of darkness technique and then uses Mokuton. How can naruto dodge what he can't see?

Kyuubi will snap him out of it. Besides, is it really possible to use Genjutsu on target you cant keep up visualy?

 

[White Zetsu]

Then he uses bringer of darkness technique and then uses Mokuton. How can naruto dodge what he can't see?

PLOT-NO-JUTSU. and no, not because he created it he's stronger than Naruto, you're missing the point completely......................It's so big that it cannot be dodged. SIMPLE.

Didn't one of Naruto's clones destroy like a whole battlefield that Madara turned into wood with just a little of the 9 tails power??? Lmao Madara made twice the wood that Edo Hashirama made vs Hiruzen.I think you need to re read the whole manga.


Naruto is a prefect Jinchuuriki immune to genjutsu.Read the manga.


You sir are an Idiot

 

[-Vegeta-]

If(and that's a big if) Hashirama can suppress a perfect jinchuuriki's power then yes he is indeed>Naruto, but otherwise he's not imo.

 

[Ryuu..]

Didn't one of Naruto's clones destroy like a whole battlefield that Madara turned into wood with just a little of the 9 tails power??? Lmao Madara made twice the wood that Edo Hashirama made vs Hiruzen.I think you need to re read the whole manga.

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Madara used Mokuton for the first time. Hashirama Mastered it. You tell me which one is going to be stronger.
Edo Hashirama was under OROCHIMARU's edo tensei. NOT KABUTO's. Kabuto's is COMPLETED AND PERFECTED. Orochimaru's is NOT COMPLETED AND PERFECTED. So those summoned are likely not at their FULL POWER. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? LET ME KNOW PLEASE.....

I think it's all just abit too much for your brain...........

 

[Avani]

Have you paid attention to the fact that Madara was not a jinchuriki but was controlling him with Sharingan.

It was said in the manga more than once that Madara couldn't control Kurama for long. Yes we know Mito didn't participate in fight. She sealed it later on to help Hashirama.. It may have been well after the battle ended or soon after it or whatever. Purpose of sealing was that it cannot be summonned again if inside a jinchuriki and Konoha still get to keep it.

It was proven that Madara couldn't Summon Kyuubi inside a jinchuriki when he failed to do it in his enhanced Edo form even when Kurama decided to lend his chakra to Naruto to resist. I don't really understand what you are trying to prove by mentioning Madara in here. But I doubt if Hashirama could control a kyuubi in Jinchuriki either. If he could it should have been mentioned. May be kishi will let us know if he needs it in the story.

Bringer of darkness casts a genjutsu on the opponant which makes him practicallly. Still keep in mind that it negates sight only, it does not stop the other senses and Naruto doesn't need to see to sense someone in his sage mode. He could sense the chakra of whole village during Pain arc. And in BM it's Kurama who can sense the intent and chakra both.

As for Mokuton- Naruto's chakra himself reacts to Hashirama's tech. Zetsu were turned into trees. It had affected yamato's tech too. We simply have no data what would happen if Hashirama himself tried that on Naruto.

In Vs situations there are no absolutes that the person you are routing for will win everytime. Either party can win under right circumstances. There is no point in making an extra thread to push your opinion which you can use in the versus thread itself.

 

[Ryuu..]

Have you paid attention to the fact that Madara was not a jinchuriki but was controlling him with Sharingan.

It was said in the manga more than once that Madara couldn't control Kurama for long. Yes we know Mito didn't participate in fight. She sealed it later on to help Hashirama.. It may have been well after the battler edned soon after it or whatever. but purpose was that it cannot be summonned again if inside a jinchuriki.

It was proven that Madara couldn't Summon Kyuubi inside a jinchuriki when he failed to do it in his enhaced Edo form even when Kurama decided to lend his chakra to Naruto to resist.

Bringer od darkness casts a genjutsu on the opponant which makes him practicallly. Still keep in mind that it negates sight only, it does not stop the other senses and Naruto doesn't need to see to sense someone in his sage mode. He could sense the chakra of whole village during Pain arc. And in BM it's Kurama who can sense the intent.

In Vs situations there are no absolutes that the person you are routing for will win everytime. Either party can win under right circumstances. There is no point in making an extra thread to push your opinion which you can use in the versus thread itself.

What the? This isn't a versus thread, it's a discussion. I'm using evidence I've gathered to suggest why Hashirama would render BM Naruto useless. This certainly isn't a 'who would win Hashirama or........' type of thread.

I don't understand what the Madara part has to do with it. Hashirama could supress Bijuu chakra - that's got nothing to do with him taking control of it. How he got it from Madara is unknown but not really relevant to what i'm saying.

 

[Wind..]

Yamato was able to restrain 4 tailed Naruto with his Wood

You say that Yamato could restrain the 4 tails, but that was when Naruto didn't have control over him, now that Naruto has control, he cant suppress the chakra and even if he did Naruto could just bring it out again, it would be a lot of work for Hashirama to suppress it, if he could, and then just have Naruto bring out Kurama again.

 

[grenwood]

1. hashirama may have taken control over the kyubi when he fought madara WITHOUT RINNEGAN OR MOKUTON
2.if hashirama wrestled the kyubi away it cannot truly be madara+kyubi vs hashirama
3.hashirama can supress kyubi mode and bijuu mode yes , but thats purely bad match up , its nothing to do with strength , so does this mean yamato>BM naruto? no... just no....
4.hashirama didnt seem like a big deal when he was an edo and fought hiruzen , he didnt generate any power with wood style,and RINNEGAN>EMS>DOTON>MS>MOKUTON , so basically wood style as as much of a big deal as you say it is
5.look at how many people have fought over the kyubi and narutos power , people fought over hashiramas DNA to maintain and acquire rinnegan , simple explanation , they dont want his power , they want the sages power
6.bringer of darkness is his brothers jutsu , and genjutsu doesnt work on naruto any more trololol
7. i shall power scale for you
minato was of similar power to the kyubi,the 2nd hokage and 1st hokage fought against hiruzen ,and hiruzen won , then minato was considered stronger than hiruzen , so the food chain of all hokage , sannin and naruto:
tsunade<orochimaru<tobirama<jiraiya<hashirama<hiruzen<minato<naruto

btw im not a fanboy

that sounds exactly like something a fanboy would say.
but ya i agree with you completely
also hashrama can't suppress a perfect jin, because if he could, that means sasugay can, and we can't have that in the final battle

 

[Shisui Namikaze]

What tsuchi and wind release said.

 

[Ryuu..]

You say that Yamato could restrain the 4 tails, but that was when Naruto didn't have control over him, now that Naruto has control, he cant suppress the chakra and even if he did Naruto could just bring it out again, it would be a lot of work for Hashirama to suppress it, if he could, and then just have Naruto bring out Kurama again.

Yes, and Yamato was nowhere near Hashirama's level. So Naruto's control has gone up, but so has the power of Mokuton because Hashirama is using it and not Yamato. So it still leaves the door open for Hashirama to supress it. And anyway, where did you see it say Kyuubi's chakra cannot be supressed because Naruto has control over it?

@grenwood. What? How does that mean Sasuke can supress it? Where are you getting this information? Last I checked Sasuke didn't have Mokuton so I don't know why you would bring up ANY sharingan abilities in this debate (If that's what you're implying)......

 

[MasterofSenjutsu]

This is all hypothetical. It's very good reasoning, but since Mokuton has never been used against Naruto in BM, we honestly don't know if it would effect it or not. It may but it might not. While Yamato was able to suppress Naruto in Fourth-Tail cloak, Naruto gets exponentially more powerful when he adds a tail. And since I believe that BM would be stronger than if Kurama had simply taken control of Naruto (basically Ninth-Tail cloak), that just adds a whole nother type of power level. It goes without saying that Yamato would not even come close to suppressing Naruto in BM. It seems that the laws of suppressing Kurama's chakra (like Sharingan and Hokage Style) don't apply at all when Naruto is in BM. The reason for that is most likely because of the balance and unity between biju and jinchuuriki. And like it's been stated, I do not believe Bringer of Darkness would be helpful, as genjutsus don't work on perfect jinchuurikis. So from this, I believe that, strong as Hashirama is, he would not be able to suppress it.

 

[Ryuu..]

This is all hypothetical. It's very good reasoning, but since Mokuton has never been used against Naruto in BM, we honestly don't know if it would effect it or not. It may but it might not. While Yamato was able to suppress Naruto in Fourth-Tail cloak, Naruto gets exponentially more powerful when he adds a tail. And since I believe that BM would be stronger than if Kurama had simply taken control of Naruto (basically Ninth-Tail cloak), that just adds a whole nother type of power level. It goes without saying that Yamato would not even come close to suppressing Naruto in BM. It seems that the laws of suppressing Kurama's chakra (like Sharingan and Hokage Style) don't apply at all when Naruto is in BM. The reason for that is most likely because of the balance and unity between biju and jinchuuriki. And like it's been stated, I do not believe Bringer of Darkness would be helpful, as genjutsus don't work on perfect jinchuurikis. So from this, I believe that, strong as Hashirama is, he would not be able to suppress it.

Fair enough, but where does it say perfect jinchiriki's cannot have their Bijuu chakra supressed? Could you tell me please because I have no clue where it says this......................

 

[grenwood]

Yes, and Yamato was nowhere near Hashirama's level. So Naruto's control has gone up, but so has the power of Mokuton because Hashirama is using it and not Yamato. So it still leaves the door open for Hashirama to supress it. And anyway, where did you see it say Kyuubi's chakra cannot be supressed because Naruto has control over it?

@grenwood. What? How does that mean Sasuke can supress it? Where are you getting this information? Last I checked Sasuke didn't have Mokuton so I don't know why you would bring up ANY sharingan abilities in this debate (If that's what you're implying)......

because he can suppress the kyuubi too dumbass. if mokuton can supress it ems sure can

 

[Ambriel]

Haha naruto fanboys dnt like what u are sayin rikudo

 

[MasterofSenjutsu]

Fair enough, but where does it say perfect jinchiriki's cannot have their Bijuu chakra supressed? Could you tell me please because I have no clue where it says this......................

It doesn't really say that, but it could be an implication. When Sasuke was facing Bee, he attempted to use a genjutsu. It didn't work because Bee stated that since he was sharing a mind, and one was clear, he couldn't be trapped into a genjutsu. That's not it word for word, but it says something like that.

 

[Ryuu..]

It doesn't really say that, but it could be an implication. When Sasuke was facing Bee, he attempted to use a genjutsu. It didn't work because Bee stated that since he was sharing a mind, and one was clear, he couldn't be trapped into a genjutsu. That's not it word for word, but it says something like that.

Mokuton is not a genjutsu though.