OK so, I've seen some people claiming BM Naruto surpasses all other Hokage's. This is possibly true except for when it comes to the 1st Hokage. BM Naruto cannot defeat Hashirama Senju. This is why:
'Hashirama Senju is considered by many as the most powerful shinobi of his time. He was greatly respected by most shinobi during his lifetime, such that Tobi claimed Hashirama was the one person whom he respected the most as well as detested. His prowess and abilities were so great that he was able to not only fight on equal footing with Madara Uchiha despite his power of Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan and having the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox at his side, but even gained victory in the end and survived the battle.'
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Hashirama did not use Kurama against Madara at ANY POINT in the battle. He simply wrestled it away from Madara and his wife sealed it inside of her. People think she then actively aided him in battle; no, she aided him because the 9 tails was locked away and couldn't be use by Madara. SIMPLE.
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Hashirama won against EMS Madara who had Kurama under his control. Dont forget this is Kurama with double the chakra (Yin chakra not sealed at the time). Hashirama controlled 7 tailed beasts at a point in time. 7. Base Naruto (no Kurama basically)< Madara. If Hashirama won, how on earth would Naruto beat him?
Hashirama can just suppress Kurama's chakra and a major source of Naruto's stamina and power is no longer available to him. Hence, BM and KM are rendered useless. Remember that necklace Tsunade passed down to Naruto which could control his Kyuubi chakra? Are you forgetting where it came from? Able to supress Kyuubi's chakra and look how small it is:
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Yamato was able to restrain 4 tailed Naruto with his Wood Release/Mokuton.
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Madara used his Wood Release to attack and kill nearly a whole army section. These Wood Releases' power is a small fraction of the power Hashirama is able to generate. THE MAIN POINT HERE IS THAT HASHIRAMA'S MOKUTON CAN SUPRESS THE KYUUBI'S CHAKRA. Mokuton is the strongest KKG aside from the eye dojutsus. Yamato admitted he was nowhere near the level of Hashirama Senju, and Madara was able to use such a powerful Mokuton technique with his first try. Now imagine how strong Hashirama's mastered version was.
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Look at how many people have fought to get just a tiny bit of Hashirama's DNA. His chakra reserves were immense, and have subsequently allowed other shinobi's to amplify and control various other abilities. An entire Zetsu army was made out of his DNA. Tobi is flippin trying to grow another Hashirama for goodness sake:
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Hashirama also has Bringer of Darkness. Tell me WTF will Naruto do against that?
I'm not hating on Naruto or anything but people need to realise that Hashirama Senju would defeat him everytime.
the only way yamato was able to seal kurama's chakra was because of the jewel but remember that the jewel is destroyed. so how is hashirama going to seal kurama's chakra without that necklace. he doesn't have his wife to seal it in so km and bm is still in play therefore naruto will still be stronger.
Lol Naruto is way faster than Hashirama's wood release.If Hiruzen could kill an edo Hashirama and Tobirama.The only kages who stand a chance against Naruto is Hiruzen and Minato because they have the Death Reaper Seal.Get real bro.And Bringer of Darkness won't work because Naruto is a perfect Jinchuuriki and remember Kurama probably knows alot about Hashiramas techniques also.
And yes Hashirama did take control of Kurama during the fight it states it clearly in the manga.And yes Mito did help Hashirama in the fight vs Madara.
Btw the only reason Hashirama is able to control the fox is because in its regular form it is very large and slow.Meaning that it is easy to wrap around it with Mokuton but while it is inside Naruto it is around the speed of Minato and remember that Hashirama always had that necklace to help him while he was trying to control the fox but now it is broken so his powers would be even lesser against Naruto.
Forgot to mention your error.You said Hashirama sealed the fox into Mito but she sealed it inside herself.
1. hashirama may have taken control over the kyubi when he fought madara WITHOUT RINNEGAN OR MOKUTON
2.if hashirama wrestled the kyubi away it cannot truly be madara+kyubi vs hashirama
3.hashirama can supress kyubi mode and bijuu mode yes , but thats purely bad match up , its nothing to do with strength , so does this mean yamato>BM naruto? no... just no....
4.hashirama didnt seem like a big deal when he was an edo and fought hiruzen , he didnt generate any power with wood style,and RINNEGAN>EMS>DOTON>MS>MOKUTON , so basically wood style as as much of a big deal as you say it is
5.look at how many people have fought over the kyubi and narutos power , people fought over hashiramas DNA to maintain and acquire rinnegan , simple explanation , they dont want his power , they want the sages power
6.bringer of darkness is his brothers jutsu , and genjutsu doesnt work on naruto any more trololol
7. i shall power scale for you
minato was of similar power to the kyubi,the 2nd hokage and 1st hokage fought against hiruzen ,and hiruzen won , then minato was considered stronger than hiruzen , so the food chain of all hokage , sannin and naruto:
tsunade<orochimaru<tobirama<jiraiya<hashirama<hiruzen<minato<naruto
1. It took skill to wrestle it away from Madara. Or do you think it was easy?
2. You talk like he took it away from Madara in the first second of the fight.
3. That is the entire point of the thread......How Hashirama is a bad matchup and so Naruto cannot defeat him.
4. Didn't I say besides the eye dojutsu. Clown.
5. The only one who can use Mokuton naturally......................
6. Once again, you clown, it was his jutsu the anime is wrong U_U
7. Delete your NB account. Fair enough that's your opinion but Where da fuq are you getting this info? The senju brothers were edo, they couldn't fight themselves, they were under control, you DIDN'T see their full power. Hiruzen prime, 'God of Shinobi' < Minato? Clown. Jiraiya > Tobirama? Opinion. Why put that down it has no basis.
Lol Naruto is way faster than Hashirama's wood release.If Hiruzen could kill an edo Hashirama and Tobirama.The only kages who stand a chance against Naruto is Hiruzen and Minato because they have the Death Reaper Seal.Get real bro.And Bringer of Darkness won't work because Naruto is a perfect Jinchuuriki and remember Kurama probably knows alot about Hashiramas techniques also.
the only way yamato was able to seal kurama's chakra was because of the jewel but remember that the jewel is destroyed. so how is hashirama going to seal kurama's chakra without that necklace. he doesn't have his wife to seal it in so km and bm is still in play therefore naruto will still be stronger.
He doesn't need the F*cking necklace to do it, he made it so that other people (that he trusted) were able to supress the Bijuu chakra by using some of his power.
Lol Naruto is way faster than Hashirama's wood release.If Hiruzen could kill an edo Hashirama and Tobirama.The only kages who stand a chance against Naruto is Hiruzen and Minato because they have the Death Reaper Seal.Get real bro.And Bringer of Darkness won't work because Naruto is a perfect Jinchuuriki and remember Kurama probably knows alot about Hashiramas techniques also.
And yes Hashirama did take control of Kurama during the fight it states it clearly in the manga.And yes Mito did help Hashirama in the fight vs Madara.
Btw the only reason Hashirama is able to control the fox is because in its regular form it is very large and slow.Meaning that it is easy to wrap around it with Mokuton but while it is inside Naruto it is around the speed of Minato and remember that Hashirama always had that necklace to help him while he was trying to control the fox but now it is broken so his powers would be even lesser against Naruto.
Forgot to mention your error.You said Hashirama sealed the fox into Mito but she sealed it inside herself.
1. It took skill to wrestle it away from Madara. Or do you think it was easy?
2. You talk like he took it away from Madara in the first second of the fight.
3. That is the entire point of the thread......How Hashirama is a bad matchup and so Naruto cannot defeat him.
4. Didn't I say besides the eye dojutsu. Clown.
5. The only one who can use Mokuton naturally......................
6. Once again, you clown, it was his jutsu the anime is wrong U_U
7. Delete your NB account. Fair enough that's your opinion but Where da fuq are you getting this info? The senju brothers were edo, they couldn't fight themselves, they were under control, you DIDN'T see their full power. Hiruzen prime, 'God of Shinobi' < Minato? Clown. Jiraiya > Tobirama? Opinion. Why put that down it has no basis.
your correct on some points , thanks for calling me names.... how polite you are , telling me to delete my NB account is like me saying leave your house or im coming over there to shoot you... trololol
you are correct in a sense
NARUTO IS STRONGER THAN HASHIRAMA , BUT IS UNABLE TO BEAT HIM DUE TO BAD MATCH UP
He doesn't need the F*cking necklace to do it, he made it so that other people (that he trusted) were able to supress the Bijuu chakra by using some of his power.
However, he would have to catch him in order to supress his powers. Would Mokuton be able to keep up with ridiculous speed of Naruto in chakra mode? I really dont think so.
Are you retarded??? Why would Hiruzen be called God of Shinobi and praised as the strongest Kage to ever live if he was weaker than Hiruzen.Not to mention he was trained by both the First and Second Hokage so im pretty sure he knew alot of their abilities anyway.Kabuto even said he was the strongest and remember Kabuto is a genious.
your correct on some points , thanks for calling me names.... how polite you are , telling me to delete my NB account is like me saying leave your house or im coming over there to shoot you... trololol
you are correct in a sense
NARUTO IS STRONGER THAN HASHIRAMA , BUT IS UNABLE TO BEAT HIM DUE TO BAD MATCH UP
If Hashirama could defeat the beast that is Madara who had a fully charged non cut in half Kurama then there really isn't much else to say. Cept I doubt Hiruzen could do it, that nigga was pissin' his old man diaper and hoping to the gates of heaven Minato would come help during the 9 tails attack with Tobi.
He doesn't need the F*cking necklace to do it, he made it so that other people (that he trusted) were able to supress the Bijuu chakra by using some of his power.
However, he would have to catch him in order to supress his powers. Would Mokuton be able to keep up with ridiculous speed of Naruto in chakra mode? I really dont think so
But Naruto would not be able to use Kurama during the fight. And so what if he's 16, what's that got to do with it. It only shows that he's not ready to challenge Hashirama, he's too young.
If Hashirama could defeat the beast that is Madara who had a fully charged non cut in half Kurama then there really isn't much else to say. Cept I doubt Hiruzen could do it, that nigga was pissin' his old man diaper and hoping to the gates of heaven Minato would come help during the 9 tails attack with Tobi.
I guess there isn't much to say except that Hashirama wood release can control the 9 tails better so he took control of the fox and had Mito as backup,then later in the fight she sealed it inside her self to better assist her husband to fight Madara but in the end Madara fooled them both and got away with Hashirama's DNA.
Check the video I put in the OP. 2mins. He would not be able to dodge a non-edo, non-plot no jutsu Hashirama Mokuton attack. It created the entire hidden leaf forrest for goodness sake.
I guess there isn't much to say except that Hashirama wood release can control the 9 tails better so he took control of the fox and had Mito as backup,then later in the fight she sealed it inside her self to better assist her husband to fight Madara but in the end Madara fooled them both and got away with Hashirama's DNA.
Check the video I put in the OP. 2mins. He would not be able to dodge a non-edo, non-plot no jutsu Hashirama Mokuton attack. It created the entire hidden leaf forrest for goodness sake.
Why not?
Narutos speed in chakra mode >>> Mokutons speed. Not to mention that Naruto can make several KM clones which would complicate the case even more.
Check the video I put in the OP. 2mins. He would not be able to dodge a non-edo, non-plot no jutsu Hashirama Mokuton attack. It created the entire hidden leaf forrest for goodness sake.
I watched the video.If Hiruzen was able to evade the Mokuton long enough to kill Hashirama then why couldn't Naruto???As you can clearly see Hiruzen is extremely slow compared to Naruto which is nearly teleporting everytime he moves.
Because he created the Hidden Forest he is stronger than Naruto???
So tell me how much years did that amazing feat take him?
Yamato rebuilt most of the Hidden Leaf in less than a month after the Pain attack.
