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True love gives,it dose not demand taking.Hinata gives freely and ask for nothing more than acknowledgment in returned, Sakura just takes and takes. Naruto is more like His mother in temper,speech and character, Hinata is more like Minato the quiet type and now both are evolving their personalities more and more but Sakura still is the same,She has yet to mature in Her view of the way things are and are becoming. Theirs Reasons why Kishi is developing Hinata's personality more and more and leaving Sakura behind in Her personality development. You may not like it, but you can't change it either. All you can do is accept what you can't change, you can only change what is in your re power to change.

You need to pay more attention. Yes Sakura has faults, but she does not just take. She's given more showing of love to Naruto than what Hinata has.

Hinata spent most of the manga silently "giving" to Naruto. Save from the little "proud failure" speech in part one, then saving him from Pain and the "In his eyes" scene, she hasn't really given him much. In fact, she spent all of Part one and most of part two using Naruto's strength to improve herself because she was too shy to face him directly.

Hinata is nothing like Minato. Despite her faults, Sakura can be pretty mature.

Hinata's personality is developing? Into what? Looks to me like she went from a timid girl who admired a boy and had a goal to improve herself for herself and to gain her father's aproval to a quiet girl in love with the main character and that's it.
 

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The difference is that Sakura still loves Sasuke for unknown reasons. He tried to killer twice but she sill loves him.

But thats not selfish, plus he tried to kill naruto and kakashi too and they still love him just in a different way then sakura
 

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Naruto "saw through her lie" when she mentioned Sasuke. Before than he looked to have actually believed her. Naruto still believes in the old Team 7, as shown in his flashback.

Hinata only sees the Naruto that's openly shown. She knows nothing of his suffering of being a Kyubi host, for example. It's Sakura that sees closer to Naruto's strength and real character.

It's also Sakura who shows Naruto more appreciation.

Naruto would have lost his mind regardless of who jumped in to save him. Hinata was a friend who got "killed" before his eyes. That's the oly relationship they had.

Although I agree that Hinata doesn't Know Naruto as a person as well as Sakura, you are wrong in assuming she doesn't know his suffering for being the jinchuriki. If you look back at part 1, it was exactly because of his attitude regarding his situation that got Hinata's attention and admiration. All she saw was a kid whom was casted aside by everyone all the time, and still that kid moved on, and improved himself. On the other hand we have Hinata, always been the target of critics from her father and clan about how "weak" she was, and how undeserving she is of being in the main family. Their situations though based on different reasons had a great similarity, for both had to prove their worth thru actions.

On this subject, Sakura is completely clueless, for she never experienced this kind of prejudice. Just remember that until the beginning of part 2, when they went to help Garaa, Sakura didn't even understood the full extent of Naruto's feeling about a fellow Jinchurikii.

On the appreciation issue now, I fail to see how Sakura shows Naruto any appreciation. She goes to kill Sasuke and find herself lacking, only to have Naruto save her. What did she do? Nothing. In part 1 when Naruto saved her from Shukaku/Garaa, what did she do? thanked Sasuke for saving her. If we pay close attention to the first part, Sasuke only gave Naruto any attention because he was as interested as she was in saving Sasuke. But that was then.

Back to the present now, until I few chapters ago I was quite sure Sakura would end up with Naruto. The story had been developing in a nice and steady way that would/could point to that possibility. However, 3 things have shaken my belief.

First of all, as mentioned before, the shinobi that approached Sakura to tell her she was wonderful and all, blah blah, etc, and she is thinking of Sasuke; not Naruto. This was the hell of a hint that Sakura Loves Sasuke, period. It seems nothing will ever change that, no matter how much some of us want it too.

Second, when Naruto showed up in the battlefield to help identify the white zetsus, not only he saved Hinata, but he actually her feeling, and how she was for being unable to stand up on her own. Not only Naruto acknowledge that, but he also took the time to speak to her and to tell her exactly what she needed to hear. At first I thought this was Naruto following Itachi's suggestion, of acknowledging his fellow Shinobis, but than I realized that it might be something else since it was Hinata we are talking about, and he knew her well enough to know what she was feeling.

And Last, but not least, in the last chapter we had all those declarations from the konoha shinobis. I loved Chouji's by the way. As Hinata was expressing her desire to be "by his side", Sakura only mentioned to be there for him along with everyone else. It may seen little, but the wording is quite significative. To be by one's side is to be there for the one, no matter the odds. Hinata didn't say anything regarding her love or feelings for him, though they are present in her tone, but above all, she meant that she would never let go of him (if I compare de words with other sources - bad translations included. :). Yet Sakura is just along for the ride with everyone else.

I won't say it's a fact, for those are my observations and how my view of the situation has shifted. It may be that Kishi intended it this way, only to reverse it again further down the road. Or it may just as well kill everyone and Tobi use the Moon genjutsu on the entire world.

True love gives,it dose not demand taking.Hinata gives freely and ask for nothing more than acknowledgment in returned, Sakura just takes and takes. Naruto is more like His mother in temper,speech and character, Hinata is more like Minato the quiet type and now both are evolving their personalities more and more but Sakura still is the same,She has yet to mature in Her view of the way things are and are becoming. Theirs Reasons why Kishi is developing Hinata's personality more and more and leaving Sakura behind in Her personality development. You may not like it, but you can't change it either. All you can do is accept what you can't change, you can only change what is in your re power to change.

I second that...

/Cheers
 

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I don't have a problem with it I agree with you on the naruhina stuff lol, I was asking why people thought sakuras love for sasuke was selfish.

Sorry about that but the problem with Sakura is She still see Sasuke for what He was and has a blind spot for what He has become and can become,She still thinks theirs going to be a happy ending for Her and Sasuke instead of preparing Herself for a life that may not have any possibility of having Sasuke in it in any form or shape. This obsession of Sasuke is holding back Sakura's development Hinata uses Naruto to inspire Herself to become a stronger person in all She dose, Sakura uses Sasuke as a sailor grabbing the anchor instead of of the life preserver. One makes you sink the other saves you.
 

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Sorry about that but the problem with Sakura is She still see Sasuke for what He was and has a blind spot for what He has become and can become,She still thinks theirs going to be a happy ending for Her and Sasuke instead of preparing Herself for a life that may not have any possibility of having Sasuke in it in any form or shape. This obsession of Sasuke is holding back Sakura's development Hinata uses Naruto to inspire Herself to become a stronger person in all She dose, Sakura uses Sasuke as a sailor grabbing the anchor instead of of the life preserver. One makes you sink the other saves you.

Aahh ya I see were your coming from, im still hoping for a happy ending though :pwease:
 

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You're correct. Hinata did know about Naruto's situation of being casted aside. However, at that time she knew nothing of him being a jinchuriki. She knows now, but hasn't been shown to understand it.

Only Hiashi and Neji was shown giving up and criticing Hinata. No one else of the clan. Hiashi also spent a lot of time trying to improve his daugter, but gave it up as a lose cause. Keep in mind that it was Hinata who gave up first and believed she was underserving before anyone else did. It was cruel for her father to say such unkind words, but as a leader he had no choice to admit his daughter had no will to try harder.

Sakura is at least trying to understand Naruto's situation better.

I'll have to check the chapter where Naruto saved Sakura. I could sworn she thank him, but spent most of the scene silently watching Naruto and Sasuke. When Sasuke told her Naruto saved her from Gaara she didn't believe Sasuke. When Sasuke insisted it was true Sakura smiled.

Sakura loves Sasuke. Yet she's clearly not happy about it.

It's not exactly new that Hinata feels unconfident in her abilities. There was nothing special in that scene.

You make it sound as if Sakura's and everyone else's inner thoughts are selfish. Along for the ride? They were all expressing their desire to be "by his side". The difference is that Hinata wants to stop chasing him and hold hands. I actually favour Sakura's thoughts as opposed to Hinata's. She mentioned to be there for him along with everyone else? Sounds good to me.
 

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Let see Chogi now things Naruto is not stupid, but only a little,Shikamaru thinks Naruto is impatient, Kiba thinks Naruto is His rival,And Sakura thinks Naruto needs everybody's help not Her help, seems their still thinking of Naruto as He was in the past and not of what Naruto is becoming,Only Hinata shows unshackling trust in Naruto holding His own, everybody else see Naruto with past eyes and ignore what He is becoming.
 

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Kiba "tells" him to take care of Madara, Shino "says" he'll fully support Naruto, Choji says he'll back him up (he was also joking about the stupid comment), Shikamaru says for Naruto to wait for him, Ino wants to make sure Naruto's powerful feelings for everyone comes true, Tenten is worried for Guy and Naruto, Sai is complaining about the rain because he can't help Naruto, Lee wants to respond to Naruto's heroic efforts and Sakura wants to fight together.

Yes, they're totally ignoring what Naruto is becoming. They have absolutely no trust in him whatsoever.
 

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what i'm trying to figure out is HOW Hinata managed to get into this thread when it has nothing to do with her. it shows how overrated she actually is..
 

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Kushina is like Naruto...

Hinata is like the 4th... in character only.. look at when Kushina looked at Minato when Minato saw her he would stop talking and froze up...
 

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But thats not selfish, plus he tried to kill naruto and kakashi too and they still love him just in a different way then sakura

Kakashi was getting ready to kill sasuke until naruto stopped him. Naruto said he will beat sasuke or they will die together. Sakura had a chance to kill sasuke but she got scared.
 
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Tangerine, your post is lolz.

You didn't add anything to the discussion based on the manga. You just told us you like sakura more than hinata.. good for you.

Now, back to Naruto!..... Sakura is shown specifically to have been the one who MISUNDERSTANDS Naruto, and while that is kind of like appreciating someone, it is in a way NOT appreciating them because you don't even see the person clearly.

You were completely wrong. Hinata is possible the ONLY classmate who understood Naruto's struggle with the none tails against lonliness and isolation. Sakura was never paying attention and she got it all wrong. If Naruto became involved romanticaly with sakura and not hinata, it would be a mistake. That is how the manga has set it up.
 

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Think of this other than Naruto who would Sasuke love to kill to end team 7? Sakura the Girl who wanted to end Sasuke the Avenger for that what Sasuke thinks of Himself this days as.
 

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Tangerine, your post is lolz.

You didn't add anything to the discussion based on the manga. You just told us you like sakura more than hinata.. good for you.

Now, back to Naruto!..... Sakura is shown specifically to have been the one who MISUNDERSTANDS Naruto, and while that is kind of like appreciating someone, it is in a way NOT appreciating them because you don't even see the person clearly.

You were completely wrong. Hinata is possible the ONLY classmate who understood Naruto's struggle with the none tails against lonliness and isolation. Sakura was never paying attention and she got it all wrong. If Naruto became involved romanticaly with sakura and not hinata, it would be a mistake. That is how the manga has set it up.

I agree, it would seem so awkward to me if narusaku happened plus that thing with shikamaru's dad saying women are gentle to the man they love no matter how tough they are well sakura is definitely not gentle with naruto xd
 
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I agree, it would seem so akward to me plus that thing with shikamaru's dad saying women are gentle to the man they love no matter how tough they are well sakura is definitely not gentle with naruto xd

When he's not being an idiot or perverted...or both, she is. xd
 

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what i'm trying to figure out is HOW Hinata managed to get into this thread when it has nothing to do with her. it shows how overrated she actually is..

Because its a naruhina thread...
 

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Think of this other than Naruto who would Sasuke love to kill to end team 7? Sakura the Girl who wanted to end Sasuke the Avenger for that what Sasuke thinks of Himself this days as.

Hey did you know that kishimoto planned on Hinata not being a ninja. She was supposed to be a nurse and naruto's love interest. Then the editors didn't like the idea. This is when Sakura was created.
 

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True love gives,it dose not demand taking.Hinata gives freely and ask for nothing more than acknowledgment in returned, Sakura just takes and takes.

So you equate true love with sacrifice? A life together should be fulfilling and happy, with give and take on both sides. Naruto loves being around Sakura (how many times has he asked her for a date?) but though he cares for Hinata, we have never seen him try to spend more time with her than he had to. It may change after the war is over, but that pattern appears to be fairly consistent up till now.

Naruto is more like His mother in temper,speech and character, Hinata is more like Minato the quiet type and now both are evolving their personalities more and more but Sakura still is the same

Hinata is nothing like Minato, who was assertive and self confident, and very powerful from early on. I don't see much point in trying to decide on future relationship based on superficial similarities to older characters, but if you want a more valid comparison, then Sakura resembles Tsunade the most, and Naruto is a lot like Jiraya (minus the perv aspect). Hinata reminds me most of Rin (Kakashi's and Obito's teammate).

I am not putting it past Kishimoto to suddenly lead the story in Hinata's favor, but I can't see that this makes much sense when we are entering the concluding arc of the entire saga. I am not trying to put Hinata down or anything, it just does not fit the story, in my opinion (though the only opinion that matters is Kishimoto's)...
 

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So you equate true love with sacrifice? A life together should be fulfilling and happy, with give and take on both sides. Naruto loves being around Sakura (how many times has he asked her for a date?) but though he cares for Hinata, we have never seen him try to spend more time with her than he had to. It may change after the war is over, but that pattern appears to be fairly consistent up till now.



Hinata is nothing like Minato, who was assertive and self confident, and very powerful from early on. I don't see much point in trying to decide on future relationship based on superficial similarities to older characters, but if you want a more valid comparison, then Sakura resembles Tsunade the most, and Naruto is a lot like Jiraya (minus the perv aspect). Hinata reminds me most of Rin (Kakashi's and Obito's teammate).

I am not putting it past Kishimoto to suddenly lead the story in Hinata's favor, but I can't see that this makes much sense when we are entering the concluding arc of the entire saga. I am not trying to put Hinata down or anything, it just does not fit the story, in my opinion (though the only opinion that matters is Kishimoto's)...

Naruto and Hinata do the deeds of theirs do the tacking like Minato Sakura tacks the tack but dose not do the walk.
 
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