Minato really was the greatest ninja ever.
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As I said before, based on what Jiraiya said and Tsunade agreed to, and the fact that A said that he was someone who he believed "would never be surpassed", I don't think it's a stretch in any sense to say Minato was one of the strongest ninja to ever live. Not the greatest perhaps, but pretty damn close.
Baka Sennin
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Hashirama isn't stronger than Minato. Hashirama>EMS Madara, who got owned pretty early by a wiped out naruto clone and gaara. that said, he's still top 10 shinobi, but not the strongest hokage.
Minato was set as the gold standard for konoha for all the series. that's corraborated by pretty much everyone in the series, Third Hokage, Anko, Kakashi, Jiraiya,Tsunade, A, Bee. If A says that he thought Minato would never be surpassed, that says something, he rarely gives complements especially to rivals.
plus, his intelligence is up there with the best. he figured out tobi in a few seconds, devised a plan to beat him and implemented it in a few seconds, and then made a plan to beat the kyuubi now and tobi in the future in another minute, and it is working. It's funny how necron says itachi is better and smarter, when his plan which he had much more time to make crashed and burned horribly.
anyway, in my top 10 minato would be something like 5 or 6, given Naruto's current development and sasuke will likely be similarly strong.excluding the so6p and sons of course, they were not ninja.
1.Tobi with bijuu
2. Madara with rinnegan and mokuton
3. BM Naruto/probably ems sasuke
4. Hiruzen
5. Minato
6. Nagato
7. Hashirama
8. Itachi
9. 2nd Generation Kage
10. Third Raikage
Minato was set as the gold standard for konoha for all the series. that's corraborated by pretty much everyone in the series, Third Hokage, Anko, Kakashi, Jiraiya,Tsunade, A, Bee. If A says that he thought Minato would never be surpassed, that says something, he rarely gives complements especially to rivals.
plus, his intelligence is up there with the best. he figured out tobi in a few seconds, devised a plan to beat him and implemented it in a few seconds, and then made a plan to beat the kyuubi now and tobi in the future in another minute, and it is working. It's funny how necron says itachi is better and smarter, when his plan which he had much more time to make crashed and burned horribly.
anyway, in my top 10 minato would be something like 5 or 6, given Naruto's current development and sasuke will likely be similarly strong.excluding the so6p and sons of course, they were not ninja.
1.Tobi with bijuu
2. Madara with rinnegan and mokuton
3. BM Naruto/probably ems sasuke
4. Hiruzen
5. Minato
6. Nagato
7. Hashirama
8. Itachi
9. 2nd Generation Kage
10. Third Raikage
apple pie of doom
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One of the greatest yes.
But so far he has'nt shown any way of getting past a Susanoo defense.
I'd recon a skilled user like Madara or Itachi could kill him without too much effort.
Also, Hashirama and Madara are said to be the strongest ninja out there.
Sure, the 4th is great, but all he has is speed and teleportation, nothing else.
But so far he has'nt shown any way of getting past a Susanoo defense.
I'd recon a skilled user like Madara or Itachi could kill him without too much effort.
Also, Hashirama and Madara are said to be the strongest ninja out there.
Sure, the 4th is great, but all he has is speed and teleportation, nothing else.
Kurama2012
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dude you really no nothing of the 4th he was a genius as he can decipher technique within seconds of seeing it just once as he did with tobi and kakashi's chidori. and no one can surpass him but naruto stated by kakashi and raikage and even jiraiya said he was a shinobi that only came round once a decade and if he is so crap as a kage why does kishi only ever refers to him as pure awesome so yeah he is one if not the greatest ninja ever
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Actually Kakashi's chidori was based on Rasengan developed (but never completed) by Minato. Also people saying stuff doesn't make it true, Kakashi isn't aware of EVERY shinobi nor was Jiraiya.
Oh and please stop puttin the so6p on top of the list - he's nothing but a legend and we can't gauge his power from that. Was he strong? was he just the first to ever try it? was he more like a priest? we DONT know.
Just like how we don't know how Minato would do against anyone else, we can guess and base our opinion on it but it will never be proven.
So like stated before. Great? yes, greatest? no
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According to Jiraiya, Minato was one of the most gifted shinobi who ever lived. Anko Mitarashi, in discussion with the Third Hokage about Orochimaru's immense strength and his threat to the village, stated that she wished the Fourth had been alive to face him. During the Third Great Shinobi War, flee-on-sight orders were given to enemy shinobi should they ever see him appear on the battlefield. Minato was also capable of countering the Nine-Tails' attacks to the point Tobi needed to step in to face him directly. After their battle, Tobi was forced to retreat due to his injured against Minato. He even Minato and stated he was worthy of the title of the Fourth Hokage. His abilities were so far advanced that even theFourth Raikage thought that no one would be able to surpass him. Minato's abilities were so advanced that even at a young age he was able to single handedly rescue Kushina from three Kumogakure ninja.
Like Tobirama Senju, Minato could also detect the presence of people within an area by simply placing his finger on the ground.He had rather large chakra reserves as he was able to perform various techniques on a large scale without noticeable exhaustion including countering the Nine-Tails' immense Tailed Beast Ball. Minato's fighting style often excluded time consuming hand seals that give enemies an opening so he mainly relies on his two original techniques: theFlying Thunder God Techniqueand the Rasengan.
One of Minato's trademark attributes was his immense speed and instantaneous reflexes. As a testament to his speed, Ccompared Minato's reflexes to the Fourth Raikage's own even when he was using his Lightning Release Armour, though the Raikage admitted that Minato was faster than he was. Even without using his Flying Thunder God Technique, Minato was fast enough to catch an infant Naruto mid-fall to prevent him from being stabbed by Tobi.He could also respond to Tobi'sSpaceโTime Migration technique quickly enough to escape it. He is often referred to throughout the series as the fastest shinobi who ever lived, with the speed of the currently fastest living shinobi often being compared to his own, such as A in his Lightning Release Armour or Naruto in hisNine-Tails Chakra Mode. When fighting, he often employed hisunique kunai, wielding them proficiently and taking advantage of their particular form, which made them even more suitable for close range combat than standard kunai. Using this type of kunai, he was able to nearly sever one of theEight-Tails' tentacles when Bmoved to save his brother from Minato's counter attack despite having nearly no leverage, showing a high amount of strength.
Minato spent three years creating the Rasengan by observing theTailed Beast Ball. It is the highest level of shape transformation and does not require hand signs to be performed. Instead using a concentration of spinning chakra in the form of a sphere in the user's palm, which inflicts immense damage to its target on contact. As its creator, Minato had great mastery over the Rasengan, able to form it with one hand and his standard version being slightly larger than the Rasengan used by other characters. The lack of elaborate preparations needed for the Rasengan gave Minato an advantage over other technique users in battle; in his fight with Tobi, he is able to form a Rasengan right after throwing amarked kunai at his opponent, allowing him to land a devastating blow at Tobi immediately after performing theFlying Thunder God Technique. He had intended to combine the Rasengan with his own nature transformation, but the task was too difficult to complete before his untimely death.
Minato was famous for his unique spaceโtime technique, theFlying Thunder God Technique, which essentially allowed him to teleport to any location with the use of special seals. The technique earned him the moniker of Konoha's "Yellow Flash", due to the untraceable movements Minato had when using this technique. By throwing kunai that had the sealattached to them behind enemy lines, Minato could wipe out an entire platoon in the blink of an eye. Minato could teleport to his special kunai even as it travelled through the air. He was also capable of applying the seal to solid surfaces with his bare hand, allowing him to tag opponents and give himself an easy way to track and reach them. He also incorporated this seal formula into Kushina's seal so he could always come to her aid.
For defensive use, Minato was capable of implementing spaceโtime barriers to counter large attacks such as a Tailed Beast Ball, sending the blast to a distant area away from the village. He was even able to teleport the Nine-Tails, albeit at the cost of a large portion of his chakra due to the beast's immense size.
Minato was very knowledgeable in fลซinjutsu, partially due to Kushina teaching him some of the Uzumaki clan's unique sealing techniques when in the anime it is mentioned that her mother taught him sealing techniques. He knew the full capabilities of the Dead Demon Consuming Seal and was aware that he could not completely seal all of the Nine-Tails' chakra within himself. Minato could alsoremove an opponent's ability to use the Summoning Technique.
The greatest example of his prowess with fลซinjutsu is the seal used on Naruto, placing twoFour Symbols Seal to create theEight Trigrams Sealing Style, which would allow small amounts of the Nine-Tails' chakra to leak out and naturally mix with Naruto's own. Minato also sealed some of Kushina's and his own chakra within Naruto so that they could see him when he was older and assist him in dealing with the beast.
In his youth, Jiraiya taught Minato how to use theSummoning Technique to summon toads. He was able to summon Gamabunta and was one of the few people that Gamabunta would willingly cooperate with. He could use theSummoning: Food Cart Destroyer Technique for a devastating surprise attack that could even pin powerful large targets like the Nine-Tails.
Minato was shown to be very intuitive and clever from a young age. Of the many ninja sent out to save Kushina from her Kumogakure kidnappers, Minato was the only one to notice the trail of hair she was leaving. After seeing a technique once, he could correctly deduce the basic mechanics behind it, such as the strengths and weaknesses ofKakashi's Chidori. During difficult events, he was still capable of maintaining his composure, assessing the situation, and devising appropriate plans of action.
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According to Jiraiya, Minato was one of the most gifted shinobi who ever lived. Anko Mitarashi, in discussion with the Third Hokage about Orochimaru's immense strength and his threat to the village, stated that she wished the Fourth had been alive to face him. During the Third Great Shinobi War, flee-on-sight orders were given to enemy shinobi should they ever see him appear on the battlefield. Minato was also capable of countering the Nine-Tails' attacks to the point Tobi needed to step in to face him directly. After their battle, Tobi was forced to retreat due to his injured against Minato. He even Minato and stated he was worthy of the title of the Fourth Hokage. His abilities were so far advanced that even theFourth Raikage thought that no one would be able to surpass him. Minato's abilities were so advanced that even at a young age he was able to single handedly rescue Kushina from three Kumogakure ninja.
Like Tobirama Senju, Minato could also detect the presence of people within an area by simply placing his finger on the ground.He had rather large chakra reserves as he was able to perform various techniques on a large scale without noticeable exhaustion including countering the Nine-Tails' immense Tailed Beast Ball. Minato's fighting style often excluded time consuming hand seals that give enemies an opening so he mainly relies on his two original techniques: theFlying Thunder God Techniqueand the Rasengan.
One of Minato's trademark attributes was his immense speed and instantaneous reflexes. As a testament to his speed, Ccompared Minato's reflexes to the Fourth Raikage's own even when he was using his Lightning Release Armour, though the Raikage admitted that Minato was faster than he was. Even without using his Flying Thunder God Technique, Minato was fast enough to catch an infant Naruto mid-fall to prevent him from being stabbed by Tobi.He could also respond to Tobi'sSpaceโTime Migration technique quickly enough to escape it. He is often referred to throughout the series as the fastest shinobi who ever lived, with the speed of the currently fastest living shinobi often being compared to his own, such as A in his Lightning Release Armour or Naruto in hisNine-Tails Chakra Mode. When fighting, he often employed hisunique kunai, wielding them proficiently and taking advantage of their particular form, which made them even more suitable for close range combat than standard kunai. Using this type of kunai, he was able to nearly sever one of theEight-Tails' tentacles when Bmoved to save his brother from Minato's counter attack despite having nearly no leverage, showing a high amount of strength.
Minato spent three years creating the Rasengan by observing theTailed Beast Ball. It is the highest level of shape transformation and does not require hand signs to be performed. Instead using a concentration of spinning chakra in the form of a sphere in the user's palm, which inflicts immense damage to its target on contact. As its creator, Minato had great mastery over the Rasengan, able to form it with one hand and his standard version being slightly larger than the Rasengan used by other characters. The lack of elaborate preparations needed for the Rasengan gave Minato an advantage over other technique users in battle; in his fight with Tobi, he is able to form a Rasengan right after throwing amarked kunai at his opponent, allowing him to land a devastating blow at Tobi immediately after performing theFlying Thunder God Technique. He had intended to combine the Rasengan with his own nature transformation, but the task was too difficult to complete before his untimely death.
Minato was famous for his unique spaceโtime technique, theFlying Thunder God Technique, which essentially allowed him to teleport to any location with the use of special seals. The technique earned him the moniker of Konoha's "Yellow Flash", due to the untraceable movements Minato had when using this technique. By throwing kunai that had the sealattached to them behind enemy lines, Minato could wipe out an entire platoon in the blink of an eye. Minato could teleport to his special kunai even as it travelled through the air. He was also capable of applying the seal to solid surfaces with his bare hand, allowing him to tag opponents and give himself an easy way to track and reach them. He also incorporated this seal formula into Kushina's seal so he could always come to her aid.
For defensive use, Minato was capable of implementing spaceโtime barriers to counter large attacks such as a Tailed Beast Ball, sending the blast to a distant area away from the village. He was even able to teleport the Nine-Tails, albeit at the cost of a large portion of his chakra due to the beast's immense size.
Minato was very knowledgeable in fลซinjutsu, partially due to Kushina teaching him some of the Uzumaki clan's unique sealing techniques when in the anime it is mentioned that her mother taught him sealing techniques. He knew the full capabilities of the Dead Demon Consuming Seal and was aware that he could not completely seal all of the Nine-Tails' chakra within himself. Minato could alsoremove an opponent's ability to use the Summoning Technique.
The greatest example of his prowess with fลซinjutsu is the seal used on Naruto, placing twoFour Symbols Seal to create theEight Trigrams Sealing Style, which would allow small amounts of the Nine-Tails' chakra to leak out and naturally mix with Naruto's own. Minato also sealed some of Kushina's and his own chakra within Naruto so that they could see him when he was older and assist him in dealing with the beast.
In his youth, Jiraiya taught Minato how to use theSummoning Technique to summon toads. He was able to summon Gamabunta and was one of the few people that Gamabunta would willingly cooperate with. He could use theSummoning: Food Cart Destroyer Technique for a devastating surprise attack that could even pin powerful large targets like the Nine-Tails.
Minato was shown to be very intuitive and clever from a young age. Of the many ninja sent out to save Kushina from her Kumogakure kidnappers, Minato was the only one to notice the trail of hair she was leaving. After seeing a technique once, he could correctly deduce the basic mechanics behind it, such as the strengths and weaknesses ofKakashi's Chidori. During difficult events, he was still capable of maintaining his composure, assessing the situation, and devising appropriate plans of action.
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Whiteknight
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Minato's high speed plus his thunder god jutsu and his ability to use a wide variety of incredibly advanced seals does put him pretty high up the list. Naruto's 8-trigrams seal is discussed as being one of the best and the most versatile of all the jinchuuriki seals. The death god seal he used was also pretty fantastically powerful (though obviously has drawbacks).
He was able to stand up to the fox using his space/time barrier technique, teleportation technique, summoning technique and sealing techniques. He was able to move faster than the fourth raikage, something that KM Naruto could barely do and only after several tries.
On top of that, Minato did develop the rasengan, one of the most powerful and versatile close-range ninjutsus. He also developed the thunder god technique that was so powerful that it single-handedly won a world war.
If Minato is not the greatest ninja in recent history (obviously I think we would all agree that the SO6P was greater), he is definitely very close to the top. I have trouble thinking about too many ninja who would be able to defeat Minato in 1-on-1 battle.
spike00spiegel
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who can handle TBB ? not many and he can defeat almost anynone with the death reaper seal, but the greatest doesn't mean necessarily the strongest.
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To whomever said Minato didn't complete Rasengan? Sort of. He completed just Rasengan, but he wasn't able to fully add his Nature to it like Naruto before he died.
We have 2 Sannin and the 4th Raikage stating he was one of history's strongest and on the verge of become the best, I think they trump any thoughts contradicting that. He was a man without limits, apparently.
The only Hokage more powerful the Minato was Hiruzen in his prime according to those in-Universe and the DBs. Hiruzen was the God of Shinobi, so it's kind of not to be weaker than he. And considering Minato died in about his mid-twenties (he was younger than Kakashi at 30 according to the Fire Daimyo's assistants), Minato would have had plenty of time left to fully realize the potential he had.
Saying that Minato couldn't beat Madara or something (as if you could know that), and saying that by effect he couldn't beat Hashirama is a folly. That's like saying Jiraiya was weaker than Orochimaru because he got hurt trying to stop 4-Tailed Naruto, when there is a HUGE difference in their abilities and intentions while fighting him.
We have 2 Sannin and the 4th Raikage stating he was one of history's strongest and on the verge of become the best, I think they trump any thoughts contradicting that. He was a man without limits, apparently.
The only Hokage more powerful the Minato was Hiruzen in his prime according to those in-Universe and the DBs. Hiruzen was the God of Shinobi, so it's kind of not to be weaker than he. And considering Minato died in about his mid-twenties (he was younger than Kakashi at 30 according to the Fire Daimyo's assistants), Minato would have had plenty of time left to fully realize the potential he had.
Saying that Minato couldn't beat Madara or something (as if you could know that), and saying that by effect he couldn't beat Hashirama is a folly. That's like saying Jiraiya was weaker than Orochimaru because he got hurt trying to stop 4-Tailed Naruto, when there is a HUGE difference in their abilities and intentions while fighting him.
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For the record, Minato did not finish off Tobi because his first priority as the Hokage is to protect the village, which is what he needed to do against the 9 Tails, and he also needed to protect his family. Had those obstacles not been in the way I am fairly sure he could have put a stop to Tobi right then and there...
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I usually agree with all the posts you create, but how can you say Hiruzen is stronger than Minato? From all the feats I have seen from the 3rd and the 4th I would say the 4th would hands down beat the 3rd hokage. Until I see Hiruzen when he was young ("in his prime"), then I might change my mind but until then there is no way you can say he is stronger than the 4th.
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Madara - yes, the madara who always couldn't defeat the first hokage. The madara who relied on other powers to get what he wanted. He wanted the power of the nine tail demon fox to defeat first hokage and instead he got defeated by the first hokage. He killed his brother to get EMS and after getting EMS, he fought against first hokage again and again without being able to defeat the first hokage. After he got outplayed by the first hokage, his own clansmen wanted him out of the uchiha clan. He got control of the nine tail demon fox so that he can defeat the first hokage but he couldn't.
One person only seeks more power to defeat somebody. Madara always sought more power to defeat the first hokage and even though he accomplished to get as much as he wanted, he still wasn't able to defeat the first hokage.
He needed external help to get stronger.
Let's see what madara's power are atm, Susano, genjutsu, amaterasu, rinnegan, meteorite, EMS, so on.
All those powers utilizes extreme amount of chakra and yes EMS might probably give you eternal vision while being able to utilize deities (susano) but it doesn't give you endless chakra.
He wasn't even able to control the nine tail demon fox for too long.
His speed is terrible compare to Minato. The speed of every single attack madara has is slow. The meteorite we have seen so far has a very wide range but it's extremely slow. The wood attack madara performed against clone naruto was also slow. His susano is also slow. Madara movements were also slow. This is comparing the speed between minato and madara.
Itachi- Yes I agree with you that itachi is genius. But minato is also as genius as him. The fact that Minato became the hokage of the village without having loyal blood gives him a lot of credit.
First hokage's brother became the hokage. The third hokage were related by blood to the first hokage. Tsunade was related by blood to the first hokage. This was a dynasty that only someone with the blood of the first hokage were able to become the hokage. Minato who wasn't recognized or admired by anyone shut everyone's mouth. Becoming the youngest and most recognized ninja not only by konoha but by everyone else in the ninja world. He ended the third great ninja war. All commanders in the war were afraid of him. Cloud hidden village, rock hidden village, all were frightened by him. He was the only who was able to stop the Raikage from continuing doing damage to konoha. Minato was the one who stopped Tobi a master mind from destroying konoha and plans. He delayed his plans for more than 16 years. He was the creator of jutsus. I have only heard of someone who created jutsus like minato did and that's the sage of the six path. He purposely placed the nine tail demon fox inside naruto. He knew he would be able to control and he knew the nine tail demon fox wasn't evil. The reason minato knew the nine tail demon fox wasn't evil is because he never treated him with remorse or hate. He created rasengan for his own son. His own son wasn't even born and he already had in mind to put the nine tail demon fox into naruto so that naruto could be able to do the tail bomb beast.
Now tell me in detail why you believe madara is the greatest? and minato isn't genius?
In a very short live Minato was able to accomplish greater things than anyone did only bested by the sage of the six path
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