[Debate] Abortion

[Sahin]

I'm against it, and my religion.
Abortion is murder. Everything in life has a reason, every reason has a purpose. Life isn't always good, life gives you also tests which you need to surpass. You can't run away always, especially after murdering your own kid.

 

[MangaPrincessOfPunk]

I'm not even going to join this debate. I'll just sit back and watch as pro-life and pro-choice wage war on each other.

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[KiriyuSenju]

I'm against it, and my religion.
Abortion is murder. Everything in life has a reason, every reason has a purpose. Life isn't always good, life gives you also tests which you need to surpass. You can't run away always, especially after murdering your own kid.

I respect as its a view of religion on that side. Im not religious myself, but to be attached to something that you truelly believe in must be nice, and im sure it gives a sense of comfort especially with all the universe has not given a answer to yet.

But for murder, is wrong. I agree as for the laws here in norway you cannot have abortion after two months. Before that on the other hand, A fetus has not yet devoloped its brain fully, which gives it no feelings, no personality. Its not life before something is living, and a fetus is not devoloped yet to that stage.
I will quote one of my earlier posts. Please take a further look at it. "Now, is a fetus a human being? This seems to be the central question. Well, if a fetus is a human being, how come the census doesn't count them? If a fetus is a human being, how come when there's a miscarriage they don't have a funeral? If a fetus is a human being, how come people say 'we have two children and one on the way' instead of saying 'we have three children?' People say life begins at conception, I say life began about a billion years ago and it's a continuous process. Continuous, just keeps rolling along. Rolling, rolling, rolling along.

See the really hardcore people will tell you life begins at fertilization. Fertilization, when the sperm fertilizes the egg. But even after the egg is fertilized, it's still six or seven days before it reaches the uterus and pregnancy begins, and not every egg makes it that far. Eighty percent of a woman's fertilized eggs are rinsed and flushed out of her body once a month during those delightful few days she has. They wind up on sanitary napkins, and yet they are fertilized eggs. So basically what these anti-abortion people are telling us is that any woman who's had more than more than one period is a serial killer! "

I agree that teenagers and adults whom use abortion as a alternativ to unprotected *** is ridicolous. Its shameful. But females whom has been raped or forced into pregnancy should have the choice.

 

[arnierulezz]

oke, I know how abortion is preformed and I know it's quite horrible
but I agree with allowing abortion, here are my arguments
an unwanted child (with a teenage mom or something like that) will most likely be neglected and live a unhappy life, ruining it for itself and his mom/dad.

disallowing abortion cost A LOT of money to the economy because the amount of poverty is increased and the tax income is decreased

some causes should just be aborted if they have a genetic error or if they have trisomie that will kill them before adulthood or leave them extremely mentally handicapped (as in not being able to do anything on your own, trisomie x and trisomie 21 do not qualify for this) because it's way better that way then let them suffer till they are 6 and let them die painfully.

think about it this way, if you or your girlfriend is raped in a terrible way and you or your girlfriend becomes pregnant, do you really want the child of your rapist.
do you really want to tell your child that his father was a rapist.
do you really want to sacrifice your future because you were raped.
just imagine, you being incredibly smart and going to a university (one of the study's that take about 50 hours per week like advanced chemistry or something like that not some ***** alpha study) if you're pregnant you can't continue your study and you'll have to give it all up.
your chance of being more then mediocre will be gone just because some retard wanted to rape you.

 

[KiriyuSenju]

oke, I know how abortion is preformed and I know it's quite horrible
but I agree with allowing abortion, here are my arguments
an unwanted child (with a teenage mom or something like that) will most likely be neglected and live a unhappy life, ruining it for itself and his mom/dad.

disallowing abortion cost A LOT of money to the economy because the amount of poverty is increased and the tax income is decreased

some causes should just be aborted if they have a genetic error or if they have trisomie that will kill them before adulthood or leave them extremely mentally handicapped (as in not being able to do anything on your own, trisomie x and trisomie 21 do not qualify for this) because it's way better that way then let them suffer till they are 6 and let them die painfully.

think about it this way, if you or your girlfriend is raped in a terrible way and you or your girlfriend becomes pregnant, do you really want the child of your rapist.
do you really want to tell your child that his father was a rapist.
do you really want to sacrifice your future because you were raped.
just imagine, you being incredibly smart and going to a university (one of the study's that take about 50 hours per week like advanced chemistry or something like that not some ***** alpha study) if you're pregnant you can't continue your study and you'll have to give it all up.
your chance of being more then mediocre will be gone just because some retard wanted to rape you.

They are good arguements. And i agree on them.

 

[Ninpou]

If there was no abortion how do you think it would effect the population of the earth?

 

[Dr Strangelove]

I agree with it. I honestly dont think everyone saying whoever does it is a coward should not judge people.

 

[KiriyuSenju]

Everyone has different opinions which is why such discussions like this one is possible. Using unformal arguements like "you are that" or "you are this" is just sad in my opinion. Such arguements are ment to attack a individual and should not be posted in a discussion. No one has the right to judge anyone, much less when they do not know the person. The worst case in my perspectiv is people judging other for having a opinion were they do not agree.

Before 2015 there will be 10 billion people on earth. Its getting crowded. If abortion were not to be allowed the numbers would dramaticly increase. This is allso my own opinion and its a fact. If one agrees with abortion or not the fact is still there.

 

[Mante]

Omg! Check out the poll. Yes exceeded No ​

 

[Nocturne]

49 ppl who ctually agree with the idea are ***** suckers btw...why abortion when u dun want the baby...n why not want the baby n have all year ur ass ****d up...n be a bitch to kill a life...cant give birth??,,,use condoms thn..<.<...such am-mature ppl in here....

 

[KiriyuSenju]

You are talking about being mature. As i said, use formal arguements if you plan to discuss. Judging people by their opinion, is it such a amuzing way to exacerbate other people in the discussion? It just illuminates your own hypocrisy. Maybe if you had observed previous posts you might have a better way to enlighten people of your own opinion.

 

[Ghostofthewind]

If you think abortion is escape for a coward, you're an idiot, I suppose you think birth control is too?

I thought you wanted to debate, not call names.

 

[Sophie Ezra]

i wont say abortion is a cowards way out but i say it is wrong when you get pregnent and do want it, i say it has a right to live i have read that some people call it murder. i say if you dont want it put it up for adoption there are people that cant have kids any way i wont go as far as protesting but i say it is wrong i disagree with it but it is your choice everyone has there own opinion and this is mine it is so wrong

 

[SasukeXUchiha]

Tell that to the twelve-year old that just got raped by her father. Tell her, that she has to risk, her life, her education, her mental state, her everything to give birth to something that was forced upon her.

Either that, or just terminate the pregnancy withing the first trimester.

Abortion at any age has a significant risk of ending in death, but it's even larger when below adult age. So you're telling a 12 year old to abort? You're doing the same as telling her 'You have a really high risk of dying, but if don't die you won't have the baby'. That's BS. The scar is there and it will NEVER leave, abort or not. Having the baby has less risks than performing abortion on such a young body. So why kill a baby? Why kill it? Enough said.

 

[Ghostofthewind]

I asked my teacher about abortion. He told me about his niece who was raped. She was pregnant with a child she didn't want, from a man she hated because of a crime that she was the victim of.

She wanted to make what was bad, good. She decided that the baby had done nothing wrong, and it was terrible what happened to her, to them. She was religious and spiritual, her God made bad things good, so she chose to follow His example.

I'm pro-choice, but I always hope the choice is to keep the child. Life is what you make it; problems are opportunities.

There are some issues that are too close to fault anyone for. I just let them pick and if there is a God, I let him judge. Surely He is wiser than I am.

 

[BoomHeadShot]

Honestly if man and woman consent - OK.

If man does but woman does not - man signs off on all rights and responsibilities, it's the woman's child.

If woman does but man does not - Woman signs off on all rights and responsibilities, man must pay for all medical bills and pay woman a stipend of half of her average monthly salary.

Either way, after 6 months it's murder. The last trimester has no real debate in whether the child is "Alive" or not.

Religious beliefs or not, ambiguous grey morals have no place in law nor medicine.


EDIT: Oh, and if wasn't clear, if the man wanted one and the woman didn't, she can pay her own bills.

 

[KiriyuSenju]

Abortion at any age has a significant risk of ending in death, but it's even larger when below adult age. So you're telling a 12 year old to abort? You're doing the same as telling her 'You have a really high risk of dying, but if don't die you won't have the baby'. That's BS. The scar is there and it will NEVER leave, abort or not. Having the baby has less risks than performing abortion on such a young body. So why kill a baby? Why kill it? Enough said.

Abortion might have a risk, but what is life without risks. Allso the risk of abortion is insignificant. Giving birth is even a higher risk. A fetus is not yet devoloped to be life. You should read my previous posts which explains it. Even so if there is a insignificant risk. Its a small price as the 12 year old girl would have had her entire life destroyed. Its a matter of priority.

 

[~Mara~]

abortion is an escape for a coward.

I dont think so its not always like that

 

[SasukeXUchiha]

Either way, after 6 months it's murder. The last trimester has no real debate in whether the child is "Alive" or not.

Actually the fetus is conformed of cells which are alive, die and replace, during the whole 9 months. It is an organism in process of growth since the start. 6 months or not you're still killing an organism.


And I hope people don't come with the phony argument of "So your cells also die, sometimes cause you scratch, you get hurt, ETC ETC ETC". No, just no. That process is natural, but abortion is not. I don't wanna read arguments about condoms or masturbation either, cause it becomes an organism the moment the sperm fertilizes the egg. But, before that, they're just cells in a natural process. Besides condoms or masturbation do not kill an organism.

 

[Uchihasenju]

abortion is an escape for a coward.

i think u are right