[Debate] Abortion

[KiriyuSenju]

Actually the fetus is conformed of cells which are alive, die and replace, during the whole 9 months. It is an organism in process of growth since the start. 6 months or not you're still killing an organism.


And I hope people don't come with the phony argument of "So your cells also die, sometimes cause you scratch, you get hurt, ETC ETC ETC". No, just no. That process is natural, but abortion is not. I don't wanna read arguments about condoms or masturbation either, cause it becomes an organism the moment the sperm fertilizes the egg. But, before that, they're just cells in a natural process. Besides condoms or masturbation do not kill an organism.

Well, if a fetus is a human being, how come the census doesn't count them? If a fetus is a human being, how come when there's a miscarriage they don't have a funeral? If a fetus is a human being, how come people say 'we have two children and one on the way' instead of saying 'we have three children?' People say life begins at conception, I say life began about a billion years ago and it's a continuous process. Continuous, just keeps rolling along. Rolling, rolling, rolling along.

See the really hardcore people will tell you life begins at fertilization. Fertilization, when the sperm fertilizes the egg. But even after the egg is fertilized, it's still six or seven days before it reaches the uterus and pregnancy begins, and not every egg makes it that far. Eighty percent of a woman's fertilized eggs are rinsed and flushed out of her body once a month during those delightful few days she has. They wind up on sanitary napkins, and yet they are fertilized eggs. So basically what these anti-abortion people are telling us is that any woman who's had more than more than one period is a serial killer!

 

[SasukeXUchiha]

Abortion might have a risk, but what is life without risks. Allso the risk of abortion is insignificant. Giving birth is even a higher risk. A fetus is not yet devoloped to be life. You should read my previous posts which explains it. Even so if there is a insignificant risk. Its a small price as the 12 year old girl would have had her entire life destroyed. Its a matter of priority.

No, telling you 'abortion has insignificant risks' is propaganda. Just ask my father, he's a cardiologist. He does not have a matter in this case but he is the head of the cardiology unit, so he knows what happens. Just ask him how many abortions end up in failure. Talking about a private hospital, and about being left in hand of professionals.

And exactly as you said, life comes with risks and possibilities. Why shouldn't birth be a possibility instead of a risk? And even if the 12 year old aborts or does not, the scar she has is there. Having a baby or aborting will make her the same, she will have the same psychological problems, perhaps not the same responsibilities but everything else stays the same. Her life was ruined the moment she got raped. And well that's why someone must learn how to defend themselves.

 

[arnierulezz]

They are good arguements. And i agree on them.

A friend of mine has to preform an abortion once or twice a year and he said that they are usually teenagers that had an "accident" (in Holland we do not experience rape as often as in other countries because we allow whores to do there thing)

the first year a baby cost $10,958 without insurance on average on medical bills alone.

so a teenager can't possibly afford a child on her own and therefore would throw away her future (and the future of her child because her child will most likely never be able to do an expensive study)


if you wanna have an idea of the cost of a baby check this site

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[SasukeXUchiha]

Well, if a fetus is a human being, how come the census doesn't count them? If a fetus is a human being, how come when there's a miscarriage they don't have a funeral? If a fetus is a human being, how come people say 'we have two children and one on the way' instead of saying 'we have three children?' People say life begins at conception, I say life began about a billion years ago and it's a continuous process. Continuous, just keeps rolling along. Rolling, rolling, rolling along.

Simple, and judging by your previous posts I thought you smart. Because society is f*cked up and needs to learn much more on human values.

Besides they don't count that as a 'human' because of the simple fact it hasn't come out, so it can't be count. But still, the fact an organism is there ready to come out and breathe stands.

This will be my last post as of today, since this is getting boring and well, f*ck I have guests tonight so I have to fix my place. Don't bother replying, but if there's something really important you want to say to me, message me instead.

 

[Megamkfan]

I believe that in some cases abortion is wrong like when the parents wanted to have the intercourse or if the parents get an abortion because they wanted a different gender baby. But in other cases I believe abortion is the right thing to do when the case is rape or incest.

 

[BoomHeadShot]

Actually the fetus is conformed of cells which are alive, die and replace, during the whole 9 months. It is an organism in process of growth since the start. 6 months or not you're still killing an organism.


And I hope people don't come with the phony argument of "So your cells also die, sometimes cause you scratch, you get hurt, ETC ETC ETC". No, just no. That process is natural, but abortion is not. I don't wanna read arguments about condoms or masturbation either, cause it becomes an organism the moment the sperm fertilizes the egg. But, before that, they're just cells in a natural process. Besides condoms or masturbation do not kill an organism.

That process goes on in unfertilized eggs, hell, menstruation is a natural process. In adults cells die and regrow, as they do in plants and anything bio-organic. The period where the brain begins to grow extremely rapidly, eyelids shut and close and your lungs are capable of gas exchange is anywhere from 23 and 27 weeks. In other words, even if it is a small chance, around 6 months your baby could survive on it's own.

Saying we can't destroy any organic matter is flat retarded, and a baby before 6 months is basically that. It's not capable of living on it's own. At 6 months it would be a miracle, but possible. Also, expelling sperm into a inhospitable environment would be about the same if you believe a non-sentient being with no capacity to survive on it's own is considered murdered if aborted.

This is the part where you bring up a, "Well why don't we kill every disabled person" argument.

 

[arnierulezz]

49 ppl who ctually agree with the idea are ***** suckers btw...why abortion when u dun want the baby...n why not want the baby n have all year ur ass ****d up...n be a bitch to kill a life...cant give birth??,,,use condoms thn..<.<...such am-mature ppl in here....

ooh so your girlfriend would just convince her rapist to use condoms huh
good luck with that

 

[Ghostofthewind]

Guys, I have a great plan. I will become super duper rich and will adopt all the orphans and all those animals in the Sarah Maclachlan commercials.

Deal? Deal.

LOL I see what you did there, that's a good one. Oh man I'm laughing so hard. Why aren't you on T.V.?

 

[KiriyuSenju]

No, telling you 'abortion has insignificant risks' is propaganda. Just ask my father, he's a cardiologist. He does not have a matter in this case but he is the head of the cardiology unit, so he knows what happens. Just ask him how many abortions end up in failure. Talking about a private hospital, and about being left in hand of professionals.

And exactly as you said, life comes with risks and possibilities. Why shouldn't birth be a possibility instead of a risk? And even if the 12 year old aborts or does not, the scar she has is there. Having a baby or aborting will make her the same, she will have the same psychological problems, perhaps not the same responsibilities but everything else stays the same. Her life was ruined the moment she got raped. And well that's why someone must learn how to defend themselves.

When a adult male rapes a young girl. Most cases there is no way she would be able to defend herself. And if there is multiplied culpids in the rape? A matter if they can defend themself or not is trivial the real problem lays in modern sociaty whom host such shameless people. I have never seen one reference to abortion being higher risked then giving birth. And her life will never be the same again. Not close. A child is a serious matter which requires time, effort and a good financial balance. The life of those whom give birth will never be the same again. Especially if giving birth young. Alot of doors will be shut for their future.

 

[arnierulezz]

When a adult male rapes a young girl. Most cases there is no way she would be able to defend herself. And if there is multiplied culpids in the rape? A matter if they can defend themself or not is trivial the real problem lays in modern sociaty whom host such shameless people. I have never seen one reference to abortion being higher risked then giving birth. And her life will never be the same again. Not close. A child is a serious matter which requires time, effort and a good financial balance. The life of those whom give birth will never be the same again. Especially if giving birth young. Alot of doors will be shut for their future.

agreed
btw. a friend of mine has to preform abortions about twice a year and nothing has ever went wrong, EVER

 

[KiriyuSenju]

agreed
btw. a friend of mine has to preform abortions about twice a year and nothing has ever went wrong, EVER

Well i have many friends that had abortion. None of them have had any side effects from it. But that there is a risk in abortion it indeed is. Insignificant but there still is that is a fact. Allso abortion has shown that 650 % of woman whom had abortion did give birth premature at later time. I agree with "Crimson Trickster" on the matter as i have a similar opinion. I have nothing against abortion at a early stage but when it has crossed 2-3 months it is time to prepare themself for responsibility. Earlier then that their vital organ's, nerve's and brain is not devoloped to a stage where i would call it life.

 

[Revyy]

I can't quote everyone It will take to say SasukeXUchiha, lemme let you in on something. Do you know how hard pregnancy is on a grown woman?? Can you imagine how hard it would be for a 12 year old, who's body isn't even ready to deal with that? The whole process of puberty for a girl is to prepare her body for woman hood. Her hips fill out, she grows breast her body is forming ad changing in a way for that. Now say a child get's raped at 11 she just stared but her body hasn't developed, she has no breast to feed the child, more so her body isn't yet equipped to deal with that she still has her child's body. Wanna know what happens when you are that young? It feels like fire is inside you, you struggle to walk and It's constant pain all the time. A 11-12 year old giving birth has serious results, most girls are so messed up from that they can't have any more children. So say they meet the man and they fall in love, because that child made the choice to keep her rapist baby she can never have children with the man she loves. Tell me that the mother would love her child 100%.

Anyway just a little incite on that one..

 

[System001]

Abortion is not Okay :|
But in this day and age sometimes it is needed because of people rushing into things or just being stupid

 

[arnierulezz]

Well i have many friends that had abortion. None of them have had any side effects from it. But that there is a risk in abortion it indeed is. Insignificant but there still is that is a fact. Allso abortion has shown that 65 % of woman whom had abortion did give birth premature at later time. I agree with "Crimson Trickster" on the matter as i have a similar opinion. I have nothing against abortion at a early stage but when it has crossed 2-3 months it is time to prepare themself for responsibility. Earlier then that their vital organ's, nerve's and brain is not devoloped to a stage where i would call it life.

in Holland it's a bit better, about 20% that return there in stead of 65%.
but we already have a very low abortion rate thanks to good education and rape prevention

so why not try that. in stead of bashing on abortion try to prevent it make it obsolete!!

and for all those people that say that abortion should not be preformed: look at history
in earlier days women that did not want a child waited until the 8 month and threw themselves from the stairs effectively killing it. so you can try to take away the choice from that girl but in the end if she wants to NOT have that baby you can do nothing about it

 

[KiriyuSenju]

Well i agree on you on that matter Felicia but 500 years ago it was normal to give birth at early age. Around 12-14. At that time they matured earlier on the other hand and its quite different now. Allso at that time it was normal that the female giving birth would die when giving birth. It was allso normal that the child would die under birth. Now with our medical knowledge its more safe but it does still posses a risk. A girl as early as 12 should not give birth. Giving birth at such a young age posses a significant risk for the girl.

 

[KiriyuSenju]

in holland it's a bit better, about 20% that return there in stead of 65%.
but we already have a very low abortion rate thanks to good education and rape prevention

Its the same here in norway. That statistic was world based.

 

[Sasori of the six paths]

Actually depending on your religion that's wrong.... In Christianity until a baby is baptized it has the original sin meaning they go to hell.... .-.

baby on fire? I have a feeling if i respond any further itll be flaming time lol

 

[NLee]

I personally see nothing wrong with abortion. There are cases when it has to be done such as rape, etc. It shouldn't be completely frowned upon.

 

[madvillain]

I am going to get infracted if I go any more off topic in that other thread, please, come debate with me :|

What is your opinion on the matter?

it really depends.. if its some idiot girl who had unprotected *** with her boyfreind or something, and she wants to get rid of the baby, in that situation thats wrong for me. but if the girl is a victim of rape and she didnt or can't afford having a baby, in that situation its kind of ok.. instead of abortion why don't they give birth, and give up the baby through adoption instead of wasting life?

 

[arnierulezz]

Its the same here in norway. That statistic was world based.

yeah but Europe is really good at that stuff.
everyone in Europe gets educated really well and there are a lot of stuff that prevent rape.
but strangely enough there is one place in holland (more specifically: Amsterdam) where the amount of rape and abortion is far greater.
it's the suburb (de bijlmer) where all the foreigners/black people/problem people go to.
that messes up our statistics