Kakashi is seriously underrated. Seriously.

[Kage Kakashi]

no it isn't. it's the same thing. . . period.

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No it isn't, Raikiri is an enhanced and concentrated form of the Chidori -

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[Kage Kakashi]

they use the same tech dude, just because they use diff names for the two doesn't change that CHIDORI is RAIKIRI

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and as for your rant about the databook once again if that was all that mattered naruto would have lost to haku, kiba, neji, garra, and just about everyone else he ever fought. as i said before anything can happen

Ok, I will not argue with you, both can bring valid points to the table.

But this I have to enhance - "as i said before anything can happen" - Based in your line of thoughts, Kakashi can defeat anyone. Even A with a Raikiri, because, like you said, anything can happen...

 

[orona]

Ok, I will not argue with you, both can bring valid points to the table.

But this I have to enhance - "as i said before anything can happen" - Based in your line of thoughts, Kakashi can defeat anyone. Even A with a Raikiri, because, like you said, anything can happen...

yeah it is possible that kakashi can defeat anyone, IMO any high level nin can defeat any other high level nin in certain situations however i still believe without a doubt that raikiri cannot penetrate raiton armour because chidori can't and gai stated in the manga that raikiri is just another name for chidori. im sorry to say that wiki post is irrelevent those are fan made, anyone can edit them

 

[Lunir]

I think Kakashi in intelligence jutsu knowledge and potency he is easily Kage level, the only thing that screws him is his lack luster chakra stamina. So where as he is a kage level shinobi I still beleive he is over rated, everyone seems to think he can just distract people with a raiton bunshin and pop out and Kamui anyone's head off.....




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yeah it is possible that kakashi can defeat anyone, IMO any high level nin can defeat any other high level nin in certain situations however i still believe without a doubt that raikiri cannot penetrate raiton armour because chidori can't and gai stated in the manga that raikiri is just another name for chidori. im sorry to say that wiki post is irrelevent those are fan made, anyone can edit them

Agreed! I hate that misconception + rep

 

[Takos]

no it isn't. it's the same thing. . . period.

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Of course it is. Kishimoto stated it himself in databooklet. period. ;>

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

He is quite underated.

 

[Cryomancer Sub Zero]

I think Kakashi in intelligence jutsu knowledge and potency he is easily Kage level, the only thing that screws him is his lack luster chakra stamina. So where as he is a kage level shinobi I still beleive he is over rated, everyone seems to think he can just distract people with a raiton bunshin and pop out and Kamui anyone's head off.....




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Agreed! I hate that misconception + rep

I knew it.

 

[sephitachi]

I think Kakashi is just a tad bit underrated. We don't really know all the jutsu he's capable of and the fact that he got through most of the bullshit that's been going on in this manga w/o us still not knowing all of what he can do is incredible. He can use (as far as I seen) 4 of the five elements (I've never seen him use wind... though I'm not sure), the MS, bomb ass taijutsu skills (not like Gai's or anything but still bomb. He did take on both Kakazu and Hidan in a taijutsu showdown and it took to Kakazu 'killing' Hidan to take him down) he does summoning, genjutsu, and who knows what else.

Now I don't think Kakashi is the best thing since slice bread. There are many people that does these things better than him. Like Gai's a god at taijutsu, Itachi's a beast at genjutsu, Jiraiya's great at summoning, but what makes Kakashi so kick ass is that he can do all of them with a decent amount of skill, while others (Jiraiya couldn't do a genjutsu alone to save his life and we all know about Gai's ninjutsu problems) have what they good at and what they are not. He's a good all around ninja. Not the best at everything, (we all know that Kakashi gets his ass handed to him sometimes) but not truly bad at anything either.

I say he's underrated because not many understand that about him. They expect Kakashi to be the best at everything and when he fail (because someone's better at that specific area than he is) they take him for a sucker. I know I did for a long time. I know better though, but even now I think the tail beast fight he's in is too much for him. Though, another thing that makes Kakashi underrated is that he always find ways to surprise me and prove me wrong. :shrug: We'll see what he's got up his sleeve next.

 

[Takos]

I think Kakashi is just a tad bit underrated. We don't really know all the jutsu he's capable of and the fact that he got through most of the bullshit that's been going on in this manga w/o us still not knowing all of what he can do is incredible. He can use (as far as I seen) 4 of the five elements (I've never seen him use wind... though I'm not sure), the MS, bomb ass taijutsu skills (not like Gai's or anything but still bomb. He did take on both Kakazu and Hidan in a taijutsu showdown and it took to Kakazu 'killing' Hidan to take him down) he does summoning, genjutsu, and who knows what else.

Now I don't think Kakashi is the best thing since slice bread. There are many people that does these things better than him. Like Gai's a god at taijutsu, Itachi's a beast at genjutsu, Jiraiya's great at summoning, but what makes Kakashi so kick ass is that he can do all of them with a decent amount of skill, while others (Jiraiya couldn't do a genjutsu alone to save his life and we all know about Gai's ninjutsu problems) have what they good at and what they are not. He's a good all around ninja. Not the best at everything, (we all know that Kakashi gets his ass handed to him sometimes) but not truly bad at anything either.

I say he's underrated because not many understand that about him. They expect Kakashi to be the best at everything and when he fail (because someone's better at that specific area than he is) they take him for a sucker. I know I did for a long time. I know better though, but even now I think the tail beast fight he's in is too much for him. Though, another thing that makes Kakashi underrated is that he always find ways to surprise me and prove me wrong. :shrug: We'll see what he's got up his sleeve next.

Thanks for reasonable post. I think I know what You mean.
Although, about the bijuu fight. He said he's going to finish it quickly and he apparently has some sort of a plan already. Let's just see what happens next.
It's a real shame chapter didn't come out today...


Edit: Oh, and one more thing. The best proof Raikiri is more powerful than Chidori is Rasengan. Yep, You read it right. Rasengan. Kakashi knows Rasengan which is said to be more powerful than Chidori. If Raikiri and Chidori are the same thing, why should Kakashi use Raikiri all the time and never Rasengan? Going by Your logic, Rasengan is stronger than Raikiri and their applications are the same. Can You rebut that?
And yet another proof, Sasuke himself disagrees Chidori is Raikiri:

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[Cryomancer Sub Zero]

We know plenty of what he can do it not all. I doubt Kishimoto will actually show ALL of the 1,000 Jutsu the Copy Ninja is said to know.

 

[Takos]

We know plenty of what he can do it not all. I doubt Kishimoto will actually show ALL of the 1,000 Jutsu the Copy Ninja is said to know.

Nah, he's showing as something new every longer fight, although most of them are variations of his known jutsu:
-Several water jutsu in fight with Zabuza, plus Raikiri
-Kamui in fight with Deidara
-Double Raikiri in fight with Kakuzu & Hidan (and a proof Raikiri can be used as a defence as well.)
-Doton Wall, Raiton Clone, Raiton Hound during his fight with Pain
-Lightning Chain during his current fight with the bijuus

 

[christyle88]

1 or 2 more big jutsus or specialities
and he would be kage level

 

[Takos]

He's probably the best ninjutsu specialist in the series so far.

 

[Governor123]

I sudgest you change your avatar, that one is from a "girl" named Aro, who turned out to be a man, and everyone insulted him, you dont want people confusing you with Him/"her".


OT: People who kakashi can beat:

darui
shino
shikamaru
kiba
hinata
ino
chouji
chouji,s father
almost every jounin in konoha (not gai)
danzo,s bodyguards
Sasuke 3 tomoe
naruto NO SM/KM

People that rape kakashi:

gaara
A
tsunade
mei
oonoki
naruto SM & KM
sasuke MS & EMS
tobi
= gai
kurotsuchi
kabutomaru
nagato
itachi
etc....

THIS ****ING FOOL!!! Kakashi would KILL GARA
AND U DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO PROOVE GAI IS CAPABLE OF TAKING DOWN KAKASHI!!!

 

[Takos]

THIS ****ING FOOL!!! Kakashi would KILL GARA
AND U DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO PROOVE GAI IS CAPABLE OF TAKING DOWN KAKASHI!!!

With "=" he meant to say they are equal in strength.

This list wouldn't be that bad actually if he replaced "rape" with "might be able to defeat".
Still, I laughed so hard for Kurotsuchi. xd
And besides, he would certainly win against Tsunade, certainly win against Gaara, probably win with other Kages and fight on par with Itachi, A, and MS Sasuke.
NOW that's OK.

 

[stickymoi]

Don't agree with that....

 

[Takos]

It would have been better if You had said what You don't agree with and why.

 

[Murderous Intent]

I think Kakashi in intelligence jutsu knowledge and potency he is easily Kage level, the only thing that screws him is his lack luster chakra stamina. So where as he is a kage level shinobi I still beleive he is over rated, everyone seems to think he can just distract people with a raiton bunshin and pop out and Kamui anyone's head off.....




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Agreed! I hate that misconception + rep

Are you an idiot, in the fight with sasuke vs a.
Chidori was shown to hit through raikage's raiton armor and pierce his skin.

And actually, that is true. If kishi wanted him to. He could kill alot of high level opponents beause of Kamui alone. Kamui teleports that body part or you to a different dimension or somewhere else in the ninja world.

Kamui > A lot of ninja.

And he uses it alot better now, that he can do it in an instant like when he sucked up susanoo's arrow.

Kakashi is not underrated.
Im sure we all know Kakashi is a very strong and capable ninja and has grown within time.

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

First of all, hello guys, as this is my first post in Narutobase ^^
Actually I registered mainly to write it.

In my opinion, Kakashi is REALLY underrated. I got some evidence to back up this statement and here it goes:

Pure information stated in the manga:
The following info comes directly from the manga, so it should be considered true.

-Kakashi is famous for copying and knowing more than one thousand different techniques. I don't think any proof is needed for that, but anyway

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-Kakashi's Sharingan was actually stated to be on similar level as Itachi's.

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-Kakashi cut a lightning in half

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-Kakashi would kamui (=win against) Kakuzu in case Naruto hadn't arrived.

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-Pain admitted Kakashi would mean trouble for Akatsuki if he stayed alive.

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As the evidence I have links to the proper manga pages, but I can't post them yet, of course.
Edit: Added the links.

My conclusions:
Yep, now these are not as solid facts as the ones stated above, but it doesn't mean they are not based on manga. For these, I'm sure many people will disagree with me. I think it's still worth analyzing, though.

-Kakashi was holding his ground when fighting Itachi in part I as long as Itachi didn't use MS. The fact that MS is exhausting for Itachi, we can assume he wouldn't use it if it wasn't really necessary. Thus, I think without Itachi's MS, the fight would be quite even and long. Even if Kakashi lost at the end, it would still take considerable effort for Itachi to take him down.
-Kakashi was actually an inch (literally ) from killing Deva Path. And it should be noted that Deva fought evenly with six-tailed Naruto.

Now, a bonus question for those nice enough to read all of this!
How much more, including being nominated for Hokage and fighting several bijuus at once, do you need to admit Kakashi is easily Kage-level ninja and not your average Jonin?

He is low end kage rank, like the kazekages ( weakest of the 5 kage) and he was only close to jilling deva because choji and choza were helping so no Kakashi isn't equal to 6 tailed naruto xd and without MS he might give itachi a fight but eventually he would get outskilled. I think the cutting a bolt of lightning in half was just a story he made up and just because he knows 1000 moves doesn't mean he can use most of them in fights without wearing himself out too fast.

 

[Takos]

If You go through this topic You will see statements that he is middle class at most, that without Sharingan he would just be genin-level, and many others... Well, I don't have to add anything more, I guess. 0_0

He is low end kage rank, like the kazekages ( weakest of the 5 kage) and he was only close to jilling deva because choji and choza were helping so no Kakashi isn't equal to 6 tailed naruto xd and without MS he might give itachi a fight but eventually he would get outskilled. I think the cutting a bolt of lightning in half was just a story he made up and just because he knows 1000 moves doesn't mean he can use most of them in fights without wearing himself out too fast.

-Personally I feel he is much more powerful than Kazekage.

-Yup, he was close to defeating Deva because of Choji and Choza. But let's not forget two things:
1) It was him who thought of the plan to defeat Deva.
2) Deva was not alone, either. And any of the paths could defeat Choji & Choza, so Deva had even better back-up.

-He MIGHT get outskilled after some fight with Itachi, but in no way could Itachi blitz him. It would take some real effort for Itachi to defeat Kakashi.

-Unless there is no opposing proof otherwhere in the manga or data booklet, we shouldn't assume a statement in the manga to be false.