Kakashi is seriously underrated. Seriously.

[adetooni]

kakashi is not really underated bcause he as we all know is one of the best shinobi's he was able 2 finish ninja school at 5 became a chounin at 6 anbu captain at nine without the sharingan

 

[Hokage emmanuel]

I sudgest you change your avatar, that one is from a "girl" named Aro, who turned out to be a man, and everyone insulted him, you dont want people confusing you with Him/"her".


OT: People who kakashi can beat:

darui
shino
shikamaru
kiba
hinata
ino
chouji
chouji,s father
almost every jounin in konoha (not gai)
danzo,s bodyguards
Sasuke 3 tomoe
naruto NO SM/KM

People that rape kakashi:
gaara
A
tsunade
mei
oonoki
naruto SM & KM
sasuke MS & EMS
tobi
= gai
kurotsuchi
kabutomaru
nagato
itachi
etc....

Whats all this for? this is not what this thread is about, its about kakashi being powerful or less powerful...so stick to the question dude or babe, whoever you are and stop beating about the bush

 

[SAGE OF ALL ELEMENTS]

First of all, hello guys, as this is my first post in Narutobase ^^
Actually I registered mainly to write it.

In my opinion, Kakashi is REALLY underrated. I got some evidence to back up this statement and here it goes:

Pure information stated in the manga:
The following info comes directly from the manga, so it should be considered true.

-Kakashi is famous for copying and knowing more than one thousand different techniques. I don't think any proof is needed for that, but anyway

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-Kakashi's Sharingan was actually stated to be on similar level as Itachi's.

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-Kakashi cut a lightning in half

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-Kakashi would kamui (=win against) Kakuzu in case Naruto hadn't arrived.

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-Pain admitted Kakashi would mean trouble for Akatsuki if he stayed alive.

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As the evidence I have links to the proper manga pages, but I can't post them yet, of course.
Edit: Added the links.

My conclusions:
Yep, now these are not as solid facts as the ones stated above, but it doesn't mean they are not based on manga. For these, I'm sure many people will disagree with me. I think it's still worth analyzing, though.

-Kakashi was holding his ground when fighting Itachi in part I as long as Itachi didn't use MS. The fact that MS is exhausting for Itachi, we can assume he wouldn't use it if it wasn't really necessary. Thus, I think without Itachi's MS, the fight would be quite even and long. Even if Kakashi lost at the end, it would still take considerable effort for Itachi to take him down.
-Kakashi was actually an inch (literally ) from killing Deva Path. And it should be noted that Deva fought evenly with six-tailed Naruto.

Now, a bonus question for those nice enough to read all of this!
How much more, including being nominated for Hokage and fighting several bijuus at once, do you need to admit Kakashi is easily Kage-level ninja and not your average Jonin?

-so what if he knew a thousand over jutssus? It is not possible to use more than a 100 in a battle and there are probably only like a small handful of a rank or s rank techs . To me , quality beats quantity

- his sharing an was not compared to itchie's by deidiera . Deidiera simply said that kamui is on similar level to itachi visual techs

- he was not even at a inch ofnkilling deva path dude . You see he + chouza + chouji + anbu members got raped by the two paths ?

- when did kakashi fight several bijuus at once? If you are referring to the naruto + bee fight against tobi , let me tell you that he did not clash with any of the bijuus . The only ones who fought with the bijuus are bee and naruto .

- kakasshi was being toyed with in part 1 . Did you not see that he got instant knocked out ? Even In Part 2 , the old grandma puppet master + Sakura + kakashi + naruto barely managed to take out a 30 percent itachi

- so he cut a lightning in half ,so?

- he can take out kakuzu, so?

 

[SasuNaruHina]

What you nullify is not my argument, what you nullify is the work of Masashi Mishimoto, if you don't agree with Kishi work, write a better one yourself. Create your characters so people can undermine your work.

Databooks is to see everything, not only what interest you. Like I said, if you don't like Kishi point of view, go watch Pokemon, something more appropriate for your mental age.

And thus your argument is rendered invalid.

Why so serious? If we didnt like his work we wouldnt be on this site, dont you think? He didnt say he was going aginst the databook, he was just saying that it has thier levels on a literal level, and here on NarutBase we like to add alittle bit more to decide thier ranks, not just what is in the book. (or thats what i got from it....watever) Im not very confrontational, but this disturbed me, considereing im very fond of his work, but even i agree that kakashi is a bit underated.

 

[orona]

Lets face the fact... HATAKE KAKASHI is a legend...1.he can use all 5 elements...no jutsu can work on him twice(u fail it the 1st attempt of using it, then u cant use it anymore)...tsunade knew he was strong enough to send him against 2 akatsuki (kakuzu and hidan) members while protecting 3 others wit little or no confidence (inoshikachou)... Pain himself said kakashi would be a dangerous threat to akatsuki if he lives...Deidara said he could hav captured naruto if kakashi wasnt there2.his chidori can break through raikage's lighting amour, he took out 3 mist anbu wit one strike,..3.he can spam kamui 3 times (while stil doin other jutsu) b4 getin exhausted... There are so many battles kishimoto didnt let him win...Kakashi is darn underatted... Right now hes fighting 4 jinchuriki wit their chakra coat(u tink i'm lying? Read the manga again)

1.since when? where's your proof?

2.wtf no it can't. if sasuke couldn't then why would kakashi be able to?

3.once again provide some proof

 

[Kage Kakashi]

Why so serious? If we didnt like his work we wouldnt be on this site, dont you think? He didnt say he was going aginst the databook, he was just saying that it has thier levels on a literal level, and here on NarutBase we like to add alittle bit more to decide thier ranks, not just what is in the book. (or thats what i got from it....watever) Im not very confrontational, but this disturbed me, considereing im very fond of his work, but even i agree that kakashi is a bit underated.

Why so serious??? Well, I'm not a kid, that's why.

"If we didnt like his work we wouldnt be on this site, dont you think?" - How many trolls like to dish on everything that doesn't go the way they intend??? How many??? Thousands.

"we like to add a little bit more to decide their ranks, not just what is in the book." - Seriously??? Add something to decide... So what you are saying, is that, you watch a fictional story, and then, you add contend that never existed in the story-line. Is fiction inside fiction. Is this a Naruto site, or the Inception movie???

The problem with 90% of the posts created here is that they have nothing to do with the facts that Kishi gives us. Like you said, people like to dream/add their own vision/imagination to a already existing story. It doesn't make sense at all.

What upset me, is when people dreams up with stories to enhance something that didn't happen, example - the speed of Minato vs the speed of A. People knew that A was faster because he was stronger then Sasuke, and Sasuke defeated Itachi..., etc, etc.

I'm not against theories, I'm against stupid statements and judgements that people make out side any story-line provide by Kishi.

 

[Takos]

Kakashi might lose against Itachi but... he would seriously injure him. As they say "no jutsu works on him twice" and so it happened with itachi's genjutsu. it didnt work the second time they met. Kakashi is cool headed and even though we don;t see it he probably has an amazing state of mind in which he can process so mmuich data and is capable of so much stuff... as long as he has chakra. I think if he had mor chakra he would take down itachi easily. kamui and all the 5 elements techniques that he can use are a serious match for itachi. I wish he got some boost of chakra in the future. cuz let's just assume they get to susanoo point where itachi feels safe. what does kakashi do? go underground and appear from underneath susanoo with chidori. just an assumption xD

so to summarize. he's an ultimate ninja, just needs more chakra/chakra boost from somewhere

Kakashi hatake is the strongest ninja in leaf village..

Kakashi is strong kishi is just not showing us everything :3

Agree with these three.

Many people keep saying kakashi has low chakra which isn't true only reason he appears to have
low chakra is when he uses sharingan cos he doesn't have the blood limit for it using sharingan drains his chakra extremely fast and using ms even faster not using sharingan he actually has an average amaount of chakra so in retrospect that alone is underrating kakashi just the fact he is able to use it is a massive achievement plus kakashi was a candidate for hokage when tsunade was injured before danzo so clearly he is kage level

Yep, mainly agree, although he only suffered from Sharingan (not counting MS) in the fight against Zabuza, after that, especially in part II, he never mentioned any fatigue due to using it. Hell, he spent a whole night fighting Naruto and Sakura with Sharingan and nothing happened.

Kakashi is not underrated in manga at list. In this thread maybe ))
However his recognized as one of the strongest ninja by most of opponents, so how the h**l he is underrated. His stamina is limited (whatever it comes from - using sharingan or low capacity of chakra) so in battle he has to count cost of his move. This is obviously disadvantage. He understand this fact and it goes plus to him. So he is rated as he should be.

Of course, he's underrated by the community, not any fictional character inside the Narutoverse. Actually what fans say is often opposite to what fictional characters said.

We are discussing if a fictional character from a fictional world is underrated or overrated??? SERIOUSLY???

OMG

Seriously people, get a bit more real, how can you discuss something that doesn't exist, how can you discuss something that comes from the imaginary of one single person (Kishi).

The characters are as strong as Kishi wants them to be.

Is Kakashi (my fav character) strong???

Well, just read the Naruto Databook made by Kishi.

According to the 3ª Databook, Kakashi is definitely one of the strongest character in the series, and that's not my opinion, is the opinion of the author.

In the Databook, Kakashi have a level of 34.5 (max. 40)

Gai have 31.5.
Gaara have 29.
Hiruzen had a level of 34, below Kakashi.
Tsunade have 35
Kakuzu had a 32.5 level.
Hidan had 31.5.
Asuma had 32.5.
Itachi and Jiraiya had both a level of 35.5. And they, were, according to Kishi the strongest character.

So, as many of you, hopefully, can see, Kishi made Kakashi definitely one the strongest character.

And this, is the way that Kishi sees HIS world.

Is Kakashi Underrated??? Only by the haters of the character, not by Kishi.

A true NARUTO fan, reads and sees everything, anime, fillers, movies, manga, and, of couse, the Databooks, that Kishi provide.

Never assume that you know more or better then Masashi Kishimoto, because you will never know. What he writes is the only and final truth, if you don't like it, go watch Pokemon or Digimon.

Same as above, it's the community that underrates him, NOT Kishimoto, geez.

Kakashi is a beast... he is the elite jounin but not kage level yet..
and in part 1 , kakashi was never at itachi's level.... kakashi could nt even see itachi's hand seals forget about other

It's true that Kakashi was not at Itachi's level in part I. However, he improved from part I to part II much and enough for me to be at Itachi's level now. Besides, if in-universe characters state he IS kage-level, why not agree with them?

-so what if he knew a thousand over jutssus? It is not possible to use more than a 100 in a battle and there are probably only like a small handful of a rank or s rank techs . To me , quality beats quantity

- his sharing an was not compared to itchie's by deidiera . Deidiera simply said that kamui is on similar level to itachi visual techs

- he was not even at a inch ofnkilling deva path dude . You see he + chouza + chouji + anbu members got raped by the two paths ?

- when did kakashi fight several bijuus at once? If you are referring to the naruto + bee fight against tobi , let me tell you that he did not clash with any of the bijuus . The only ones who fought with the bijuus are bee and naruto .

- kakasshi was being toyed with in part 1 . Did you not see that he got instant knocked out ? Even In Part 2 , the old grandma puppet master + Sakura + kakashi + naruto barely managed to take out a 30 percent itachi

- so he cut a lightning in half ,so?

- he can take out kakuzu, so?

Noow, finally someone referred to my points. Let's get started...

-"There is someone who uses dojutsu at Itachi's level". Dojutsu is eye kekkei genkai in general. He might have meant the Sharingan, he might have meant Kamui only. So his Sharingan is on Itachi's sharingan level or his MS is on Itachi's MS level. Why does it matter?

-Over a thousand jutsu, combined with Kakashi's intelligence makes it easy for him to find counters for a LOT of enemy's techniques. He can decide which of these jutsu he will use. You really think someone with 20 jutsu learned is in better situation (in this aspect) than someone with over 1000?

-Heck, do you even read the manga or watch anime?

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I don't remember any ANBU either. Just regular chunin weaklings, apart from Choza, who's a jonin. All these chunins and Choza would still lose to the even one path (other than Deva, who's the strongest) so I don't think we should say "Kakashi had a lot of backup", when Pain decided to use over 1/3 of all paths who attacked the whole Konoha, on Kakashi alone.

-So what if they didn't clash? He's successfuly avoiding and destroying all of their attacks. The fact that he is staying on the defence doesn't mean he is not fighting them, seriously!

-He did not get knocked out instantly. He was still perfectly fine until Itachi used Tsukoymi. And, as I already proved, after using it, Itachi had to retreat from the battle because it was too dangerous for him.

-"so he cut a lightning in half ,so?"
So Pain destroyed the whole village alone, so? So Madara summoned two giants meteors, so?

-"he can take out kakuzu, so?" So he's strong enough to do it, if You need an explanation for that.

 

[orona]

What you nullify is not my argument, what you nullify is the work of Masashi Mishimoto, if you don't agree with Kishi work, write a better one yourself. Create your characters so people can undermine your work.

Databooks is to see everything, not only what interest you. Like I said, if you don't like Kishi point of view, go watch Pokemon, something more appropriate for your mental age.

And thus your argument is rendered invalid.

dude seriously you're wrong. period. he just rendered your arguement invalid by stating that the databook ranks NARUTO at 26 while kakashi is 34.5

kakashi himself told naruto that he had surpassed him and that was a looooong time ago back when he had barely created the rasenshuriken. this being the case it's safe to say that the databook is purely statistics which really don't count for shit. if you want proof go back and check out the naruto vs. neji fight, statistics had neji highly favored but anything can happen

 

[Takos]

One more thing. If Kakashi at the age of 13, without even the Sharingan was fighting evenly with a regular Jonin, he certainly achieved that level already.

So why is it so HARD to believe for some, he is easily kage-level by the age of 30 and his Sharingan? All of the manga supports this.

 

[itachiEMS]

Nice thread i agree with u +rep

 

[Kage Kakashi]

1.since when? where's your proof?

2.wtf no it can't. if sasuke couldn't then why would kakashi be able to?

3.once again provide some proof

1- Chidori - Lightning Release (affinity)
Earth-Style Wall - Earth Release
Great Fireball Technique - Fire Release
Water Dragon Bullet Technique - Water Release
Rasengan - Wind Release

That's just 5 techniques from 5 different elements. Do you need more proofs???

2. He can't??? Did you read any peace of manga where Kishi illustrated that he (Kakashi) couldn't break the armour. Prove me based on facts given by Kishi that Kakashi can´t break it. Kishi facts, not your facts.

3. Spam 3 times kumai guess not, I think (not shore) he only used a max of 2 against Yahiko, but was able to consecutively warp away two fast-moving arrows from Sasuke's Susanoo.

 

[asad70ful]

If he had more chakra/energy then he would be such a beast

thats true
when i joined nb i was always talking about this that kakashi and j man is under rated and sasuke,itachi,and minato,naruto r overrated

 

[orona]

1- Chidori - Lightning Release (affinity)
Earth-Style Wall - Earth Release
Great Fireball Technique - Fire Release
Water Dragon Bullet Technique - Water Release
Rasengan - Wind Release
That's just 5 techniques from 5 different elements. Do you need more proofs???

2. He can't??? Did you read any peace of manga where Kishi illustrated that he (Kakashi) couldn't break the armour. Prove me based on facts given by Kishi that Kakashi can´t break it. Kishi facts, not your facts.

3. Spam 3 times kumai guess not, I think (not shore) he only used a max of 2 against Yahiko, but was able to consecutively warp away two fast-moving arrows from Sasuke's Susanoo.

1.rasengan isn't wind release it's just chakra, he can't do the rasenshuriken which is wind release

not trying to be a **** but could you provide links for the earth wall and grand fireball?

2. no, he can't. period. did you read any piece of manga that shows otherwise? because until you do, all that we have to go on is the MANGA FACT that sasuke could only TOUCH the raikage with his CHIDORI not actually break through it here's your facts

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[Takos]

1- Chidori - Lightning Release (affinity)
Earth-Style Wall - Earth Release
Great Fireball Technique - Fire Release
Water Dragon Bullet Technique - Water Release
Rasengan - Wind Release

That's just 5 techniques from 5 different elements. Do you need more proofs???

2. He can't??? Did you read any peace of manga where Kishi illustrated that he (Kakashi) couldn't break the armour. Prove me based on facts given by Kishi that Kakashi can´t break it. Kishi facts, not your facts.

3. Spam 3 times kumai guess not, I think (not shore) he only used a max of 2 against Yahiko, but was able to consecutively warp away two fast-moving arrows from Sasuke's Susanoo.

Actually, plain Rasengan has no nature. Kakashi is presumed to be able to use all 5 jutsu natures, but not proven.

thats true
when i joined nb i was always talking about this that kakashi and j man is under rated and sasuke,itachi,and minato,naruto r overrated

This.

 

[Kage Kakashi]

dude seriously you're wrong. period. he just rendered your arguement invalid by stating that the databook ranks NARUTO at 26 while kakashi is 34.5

kakashi himself told naruto that he had surpassed him and that was a looooong time ago back when he had barely created the rasenshuriken. this being the case it's safe to say that the databook is purely statistics which really don't count for shit. if you want proof go back and check out the naruto vs. neji fight, statistics had neji highly favored but anything can happen

So... the information provide by the author "don't count for shit", but a opinion of someone that never taken part in the story-line counts???

Ok, I can play that game, when Kakashi implant a 2ª sharingan and makes a blood transfusion from a Uchiha member, he will became more powerful then God, he will be so fast, that not even Kishi will be able to draw.

Forget the facts given be the author, what really counts, is the imagination that people have, to fill the lack of intelligence.

I'm on board now, Tobi is Obito, and Minato is living in a condominium in Rôran.

 

[Takos]

1.rasengan isn't wind release it's just chakra, he can't do the rasenshuriken which is wind release

not trying to be a **** but could you provide links for the earth wall and grand fireball?

2. no, he can't. period. did you read any piece of manga that shows otherwise? because until you do, all that we have to go on is the MANGA FACT that sasuke could only TOUCH the raikage with his CHIDORI not actually break through it here's your facts

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1. He has done earth wall during his fight with Pain and he used katon in his fight with Naruto and Sakura, in anime only, though.

2. Now, now, here you're wrong. Of course he CAN. Raikiri is much more powerful than Chidori. If Chidori touched the Raikage, Raikiri can go through him. Period.

 

[vandell]

kakashi is a kage enough said, stop hating on the man

 

[Kage Kakashi]

1.rasengan isn't wind release it's just chakra, he can't do the rasenshuriken which is wind release

not trying to be a **** but could you provide links for the earth wall and grand fireball?

2. no, he can't. period. did you read any piece of manga that shows otherwise? because until you do, all that we have to go on is the MANGA FACT that sasuke could only TOUCH the raikage with his CHIDORI not actually break through it here's your facts

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Yes you're right, he can´t do a rasenshuriken, I was the one that mix techniques. Stand corrected.
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2. I didn't argued about Sasuke. We have proofs that he can´t. About Kakashi you don't have proofs, you assume he can´t that's all.

 

[orona]

1. He has done earth wall during his fight with Pain and he used katon in his fight with Naruto and Sakura, in anime only, though.

2. Now, now, here you're wrong. Of course he CAN. Raikiri is much more powerful than Chidori. If Chidori touched the Raikage, Raikiri can go through him. Period.

no it isn't. it's the same thing. . . period.

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[orona]

Yes you're right, he can´t do a rasenshuriken, I was the one that mix techniques. Stand corrected.
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2. I didn't argued about Sasuke. We have proofs that he can´t. About Kakashi you don't have proofs, you assume he can´t that's all.

they use the same tech dude, just because they use diff names for the two doesn't change that CHIDORI is RAIKIRI

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and as for your rant about the databook once again if that was all that mattered naruto would have lost to haku, kiba, neji, garra, and just about everyone else he ever fought. as i said before anything can happen