[Spoilers] So was Ace near admiral level

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Yes, there is. Admiral level fruit is Logia fruit that can match destructive force of admiral fruits. Atleast that's how I understand it.

Enel, Kizaru, Aokiji, Akainu, Ace all had admiral level fruit. If you exchance those fruits between these characters nothing much would change between them all and Ace would still get his ass beaten since he has no Haki.

I see no other difference between him and admirals. Expierence means jack shit in One Piece. He could fight Jimbe for 5 days and than go against Whitebeard which means his stamina is a-okay. After spending a week in Impel Down and being tortured there, he fought admirals when he was supposed to be unconscious ( (c) Garp) - this is a clear sign his resistance is high enough to match admirals.

The only thing he might lack is Haki.
That is your own personal grouping on them. If we go by your grouping, then wouldn't it mean that Mr. 5's fruit is Admiral level too? Since his destructive potential is very big.

Enel has only showed Mantra. Being a logia doesn't mean you're nigh-unbeatable. I'd take Foxy with basic Haki mastery and a knife over Akainu any day.

Experience means jack shit in OP? Ace fought Jinbe for 5 days just means he's on Jinbe's level. Also, take note they fought on LAND. Ace trained with Luffy and Sabo for 10 plus years on Goa Kingdom, so he had a head start on kids his age when he became a pirate. He was being played with by WB. He fought Admirals? Like hell. He just matched Aokiji's fruit, but couldn't match Akainu's.

He has Haki, it's just that Akainu's fruit was a bad match for Ace's. What's so hard to understand there?
 

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That is your own personal grouping on them. If we go by your grouping, then wouldn't it mean that Mr. 5's fruit is Admiral level too? Since his destructive potential is very big.

I am talking about Logia's. The reason all admirals have Logia fruits is because that's the only way for them to be equal in power. That's why if we go by current admirals we can say that Ace had an admiral level devil fruit, tho technically there's no such thing as admiral level fruit.

Enel has only showed Mantra. Being a logia doesn't mean you're nigh-unbeatable. I'd take Foxy with basic Haki mastery and a knife over Akainu any day.
HERP..DERP.

Experience means jack shit in OP?
Yes, expierence means jack shit since Luffy and other Straw Hat are beating opponents that are way more expierenced than them.

Ace fought Jinbe for 5 days just means he's on Jinbe's level. Also, take note they fought on LAND.
I am talking about Stamina. If he could fight for 5 days it means he has high stamina like admirals. Plus, that was 3 years before Marinford, obviosly he upped himself while being with WB pirates.

Ace trained with Luffy and Sabo for 10 plus years on Goa Kingdom, so he had a head start on kids his age when he became a pirate. He was being played with by WB. He fought Admirals? Like hell. He just matched Aokiji's fruit, but couldn't match Akainu's.
Not sure what the first part means but ,yes , he didn't really fight admirals. Nonetheless he could showcase his powers after a weak of torture.


He has Haki, it's just that Akainu's fruit was a bad match for Ace's.
Huh, haven't seen him consciously using Haki Oo

What's so hard to understand there?
Your point?
 

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Whats with this level crap?

Was Ace as strong as an admiral? Obviously not Akainu, maybe Borsalino and maybe Kuzan.
But seriously, there are no levels of strength in OP just titles.
 

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I am talking about Logia's. The reason all admirals have Logia fruits is because that's the only way for them to be equal in power. That's why if we go by current admirals we can say that Ace had an admiral level devil fruit, tho technically there's no such thing as admiral level fruit.
HERP..DERP.

Yes, expierence means jack shit since Luffy and other Straw Hat are beating opponents that are way more expierenced than them.
I would like to introduce 2 people to you. Their names are Mr. Plot Shield and Miss Main Characters. Sir, Maam, this is EMR.

I am talking about Stamina. If he could fight for 5 days it means he has high stamina like admirals. Plus, that was 3 years before Marinford, obviosly he upped himself while being with WB pirates.
I'm pretty sure he was already strong before. Also, I think the Admirals, any one of them would stomp Jinbe.

Not sure what the first part means but ,yes , he didn't really fight admirals. Nonetheless he could showcase his powers after a weak of torture.
Crocodile, Buggy, Bon Clay, Mr. 2, and Mr. 3 could all use their powers too. It's not a case of being Admiral level, it's a case of being ... battle hardened, I guess.

Huh, haven't seen him consciously using Haki Oo
Haven't seen Boa Hancock use Haoushoku too, does that mean she doesn't have it?

Your point?
Stop with all this level crap because there's no such thing.
 

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Stop with all this level crap because there's no such thing.
Yes, I know there's no such thing as levels in OP just titles and plot-shield but admirals are the closest thing to having a level of their own and it's because they all are almost equal unlike other groups of titles (Shichibukai, Yonko, Super Novas, Vice-Admirals etc)

Current admiral level requirements(Aokiji, Kizaru, Kuzan) :

*Destructive Logia
*Expierance
*High Stamina
*High Resistance
*Haki

Maybe something more I can't think of but you get the point. If random fodder marine suddenly obtained all this he would be on par with other admirals which would make him admiral level.
 
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Yes, I know there's no such thing as levels in OP just titles and plot-shield but admirals are the closest thing to having a level of their own and it's because they all are almost equal unlike other groups of titles (Shichibukai, Yonko, Super Novas, Vice-Admirals etc)

Admiral level requirements :

*Destructive Logia
*Expierance
*High Stamina
*High Resistance
*Haki

Maybe something more I can't think of but you get the point. If random fodder marine suddenly obtained all this he would be on par with other admirals which would make him admiral level.
Sengoku was an Admiral at one point. Garp never had any fruit, and he was recruited many times to become Admiral. Both had no Logia fruits. Coby at this point doesn't have any fruit, only Rokushiki and Kenbunshoku Haki.

Yeah, I get what you're saying, but you're just creating your own criteria of power. Maybe if we made a universal criteria of power, then everything would be better.

Wait, I'm gonna make that thread.
 

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Yes, I know there's no such thing as levels in OP just titles and plot-shield but admirals are the closest thing to having a level of their own and it's because they all are almost equal unlike other groups of titles (Shichibukai, Yonko, Super Novas, Vice-Admirals etc)

Admiral level requirements :

*Destructive Logia
*Expierance
*High Stamina
*High Resistance
*Haki

Maybe something more I can't think of but you get the point. If random fodder marine suddenly obtained all this he would be on par with other admirals which would make him admiral level.
-first of all there are only 3 spots for admiral position so the bar is higher. and there a lot of pirates that fit u requirements for being admiral level. ace being one of them :)
-the warlords are chosen for various reasons some of which are political and there are 7 spots that is why there are variations.

random fodders don't just appear u have to go through the ranks
 
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