[Predictions] Combination of sage mode and kyuubi mode

[Ibrahimsanni]

o yeah this is what i was thinking of thanks for bringing it up, what was the SO6P's lineage his family or clan or if he had one? cause yeah ninjutsu was said to be created by him the SO6P right? correct me if im wrong.

and senjutsu is a whole different thing said pa toad to naruto hope i remember it right, maybe that is why when they do a technique for example they say ("ninja art" grand fireball attack), and when naruto and j-man is on sage mode they say ("sage art" gargantuan rassengan) and ma and pa toad "sage art" dust cloud.. sorry for the of topic but it just hit me and yeah nice thread .. + reps

thanks a lot and i also get what ur saying if am not wrong you mean sage art is a whole new level from the ninja art

 

[lilubadmoon]

thanks a lot and i also get what ur saying if am not wrong you mean sage art is a whole new level from the ninja art

no prob.. maybe not really a "new level" but a different kind of art, but yeah thats basically it.. so i think it could be possible for the two modes to combine the questions are when, how and what will happen if it dos merge i think it would be like others say OP. but remember like madara, sasuke now have EMS and he could obtain the rinnega there could be a possibility.. with that power sasuke also is OP, maybe that will be the time naruto will learn to combine the two?

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

he cant do both at once, because in sage mode he has to balance his chakra with nature chakra. but if he goes into kyuubi mode, the ninetails uses his chakra preventing him from balancing his nature chakra with his own. either he switches off sage mode or he dies

He's done it once before where he had to balance not only his chakra and sage chakra, but the Kyuubi chakra as well.

In a way, I'd actually assume this is EASIER because he does not have to balance his chakra since he is using the Kyuubis'.

I personally think this would be a huge powerup because if you think about it, Sage mode gave Naruto possibly three times his own chakra level. If he used Sage mode on top of Kyuubi mode, he could have power comparable to that of the Juubi in terms of chakra.

 

[leafeater]

I really like those clarifacations leafeater but i felt lost at the end of the 1st comment,the last four lines precisely

Hi,

Sorry, I didn't see your post until some else addressed it. I apologize for that, but I'm glad someone stepped up and was able to get you some answers. Next time...

Peace

He's done it once before where he had to balance not only his chakra and sage chakra, but the Kyuubi chakra as well.

In a way, I'd actually assume this is EASIER because he does not have to balance his chakra since he is using the Kyuubis'.

I personally think this would be a huge powerup because if you think about it, Sage mode gave Naruto possibly three times his own chakra level. If he used Sage mode on top of Kyuubi mode, he could have power comparable to that of the Juubi in terms of chakra.

Mathematically this is intriguing. Namely, that there could be a chakra mode transformation/enhancement that could make an inferior Bijou power, e.g. the Yang Kyuubi, on equal or near equal grounds with a superior one, especially the Juubi. No equations will follow... lol

Peace

 

[LordMinato]

Hi,

Sorry, I didn't see your post until some else addressed it. I apologize for that, but I'm glad someone stepped up and was able to get you some answers. Next time...

Peace



Mathematically this is intriguing. Namely, that there could be a chakra mode transformation/enhancement that could make an inferior Bijou power, e.g. the Yang Kyuubi, on equal or near equal grounds with a superior one, especially the Juubi. No equations will follow... lol

Peace

Actually speaking of Mathematics makes me wonder, how the equation of Chakra mixture will follow?
We all know following:
Normal Chakra=Stamina + Spiritual Energy(In certain proportion, depending on Ninja)

Sage Chakra= Stamina + Spiritual Energy + Natural Energy -> Sage mode

Now going little advance:
Kyuubi Mode = [Stamina + Spiritual Energy(of Naruto)] + [Stamina + Spiritual Energy(of fox)]{That means fox chakra}

So,
When we say kyuubi mode + Sage mode means
[Stamina + Spiritual Energy(of Naruto)] + [Stamina + Spiritual Energy(of fox)] + Stamina + Spiritual Energy(of Naruto) + Natural Energy

When we take out common thing i.e.Stamina and Spiritual Energy(of Naruto) equation becomes like this :
Stamina + Spiritual Energy(of Naruto)[{Stamina + Spiritual Energy(of fox)} + Natural Energy]
So does that mean fox will have to take Natural Energy and supply sage chakra to Naruto?
Also, what will happen if fox takes too much Natural Energy and become Statue ....

 

[Avani]

The Kyuubi has a say when Naruto uses up all his chakra and wants some more. Fortunately for Naruto, the Kyuubi happens to like him more than he likes Madara and most likely Tobi, given the genjutsu he put him in 16 years ago. The Kyuubi is an illustration of the benefits of treating others the way you wish to be treated.

Peace

Word.

Hanzou gave them the title of, "The Sannin," which translates to "The legendary three ninja" according to Naruto wiki (it isn't a perfect source, but for that translation I'm comfortable as a reminder), "sennin" does mean sage, thus the So6P is also called the Rikudou Sennin. There's a difference in the words and respective translations, that's why Tsunade is referred to as one of the the Sannin for example, but she's not a sennin. Jiraiya, however, is both due to his knowledge of senjutsu.

Also, the first Senju was a descendent of the younger son of the Rikudou Sennin and the first Uchiha was a descendent of the elder son. During the Rikudou Sennin's life as I understand it, those clans didn't exist. I believe Tobi explains this to Naruto, Kakashi, and Yamato in Iron country while Sasuke is attacking the Kage Summit. Granted, this doesn't detract from our knowledge that the Rikudou Sennin had a powerful body and chakra based of what he left to his younger son. Further, when he was the Jinchuuriki of the Juubi, Tobi reffered to him as supra-human, which is what Tobi wanted. I believe that this is stated by Tobi to the 4 Kage at the summit when he reveals the Moon's Eye plan.

Nonetheless, I don't think that there's any proof that the Rikudou Sennin knew sage mode, and the that the Sennin term comes from his wisdom and knowledge of ninjutsu, etc. as well as possibly more practical matters of life and insight unrelated to ninjutsu such as peace.

Peace

Agreed. Kishi is writing his own mythology even if he is inspired by Japanese folklores and myths.

Sennins are legendry immortal hermits living in mountains of sort in Japanese mythology. There are aroud 500 of them. ONe Gama Sennin also has a toad alway accompaning him - can turn himself into one as well if I remember correctly.

At the same time the three sannins are part of the "Legend of the Gallant Jiraiya" each of whom had a special magic they learned - toad, slug, and snake.

The triad of Snake, Snail and Frog in from Japanese mythology- The Snake is more powerful than the frog, the snail is more powerful than the snake, and the frog is more powerful than the snail- collectively called the Sansukumi.

PS: Tsunade > Oro in the tale.

 

[LordMinato]

Word.





Agreed. Kishi is writing his own mythology even if he is inspired by Japanese folklores and myths.

Sennins are legendry immortal hermits living in mountains of sort in Japanese mythology. There are aroud 500 of them. ONe Gama Sennin also has a toad alway accompaning him - can turn himself into one as well if I remember correctly.

At the same time the three sannins are part of the "Legend of the Gallant Jiraiya" each of whom had a special magic they learned - toad, slug, and snake.

The triad of Snake, Snail and Frog in from Japanese mythology- The Snake is more powerful than the frog, the snail is more powerful than the snake, and the frog is more powerful than the snail- collectively called the Sansukumi.

Nice research, I'll give you +rep for that.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Actually speaking of Mathematics makes me wonder, how the equation of Chakra mixture will follow?
We all know following:
Normal Chakra=Stamina + Spiritual Energy(In certain proportion, depending on Ninja)

Sage Chakra= Stamina + Spiritual Energy + Natural Energy -> Sage mode

Now going little advance:
Kyuubi Mode = [Stamina + Spiritual Energy(of Naruto)] + [Stamina + Spiritual Energy(of fox)]{That means fox chakra}

So,
When we say kyuubi mode + Sage mode means
[Stamina + Spiritual Energy(of Naruto)] + [Stamina + Spiritual Energy(of fox)] + Stamina + Spiritual Energy(of Naruto) + Natural Energy

When we take out common thing i.e.Stamina and Spiritual Energy(of Naruto) equation becomes like this :
Stamina + Spiritual Energy(of Naruto)[{Stamina + Spiritual Energy(of fox)} + Natural Energy]
So does that mean fox will have to take Natural Energy and supply sage chakra to Naruto?
Also, what will happen if fox takes too much Natural Energy and become Statue ....

Hehe about the Fox becoming a statue, well my thing would be since the Fox is physically incapable of dying for more than a set period of time (the Fox will revive if it dies) it would be no different than death. I'd imagine the Fox would revive itself since it isn't anything more than chakra that is physical and brought to life.

I think that when Naruto trades chakra with the Fox, it is just what I said: a trade. Naruto is now using the foxes chakra with detrimental side effects if used too long, but he is still in control of it and should be able to use Sage Mode just fine. My reasons for him not having used it yet are: A. He hasn't thought to try it out, or B. He has thought to try it out, but that new power would be so great that he'd have to train with it immensely. Naruto JUST got used to not crushing stone with a grip. Adding Sage chakra to his Kyuubi mode would be hell.

@Leafeater, that would be a hell of an equation, but I think it would be possible. I personally think that even at half strength the Kyuubi is still superior to the other eight tailed beasts. I've always thought of the Kyuubi gaining about 40% of the Juubi's power to say the least, but the Juubi was said to have a potent chakra capable of bringing mayhem to the world. We see that the Kyuubi and Hachibi by themselves have the power to lay waste to a village fairly easily.

 

[LordMinato]

Hehe about the Fox becoming a statue, well my thing would be since the Fox is physically incapable of dying for more than a set period of time (the Fox will revive if it dies) it would be no different than death. I'd imagine the Fox would revive itself since it isn't anything more than chakra that is physical and brought to life.

I think that when Naruto trades chakra with the Fox, it is just what I said: a trade. Naruto is now using the foxes chakra with detrimental side effects if used too long, but he is still in control of it and should be able to use Sage Mode just fine. My reasons for him not having used it yet are: A. He hasn't thought to try it out, or B. He has thought to try it out, but that new power would be so great that he'd have to train with it immensely. Naruto JUST got used to not crushing stone with a grip. Adding Sage chakra to his Kyuubi mode would be hell.

@Leafeater, that would be a hell of an equation, but I think it would be possible. I personally think that even at half strength the Kyuubi is still superior to the other eight tailed beasts. I've always thought of the Kyuubi gaining about 40% of the Juubi's power to say the least, but the Juubi was said to have a potent chakra capable of bringing mayhem to the world. We see that the Kyuubi and Hachibi by themselves have the power to lay waste to a village fairly easily.

Yes you are right about fox not dying, I actually put it there for fun part. But imagine the actual scenario of Fox taking in Natural Energy for Naruto and supply it to him..Whoa, eternal supply of Sage Chakra. I mean all fox has to do is sit still and enjoy the show which he has been doing for better part of manga. Maybe they will become so much OP that Naruto will make bunch of Super clones of Deidara's c4 size then Naruto and Kyuubi will run to grab some beer and chill out for some time

 

[Ibrahimsanni]

Hi,

Sorry, I didn't see your post until some else addressed it. I apologize for that, but I'm glad someone stepped up and was able to get you some answers. Next time...

Peace



Mathematically this is intriguing. Namely, that there could be a chakra mode transformation/enhancement that could make an inferior Bijou power, e.g. the Yang Kyuubi, on equal or near equal grounds with a superior one, especially the Juubi. No equations will follow... lol

Peace

wow if the transformation should occur then the kyuubi could be equall in chakra with the juubi if not totaly but nearly

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Yes you are right about fox not dying, I actually put it there for fun part. But imagine the actual scenario of Fox taking in Natural Energy for Naruto and supply it to him..Whoa, eternal supply of Sage Chakra. I mean all fox has to do is sit still and enjoy the show which he has been doing for better part of manga. Maybe they will become so much OP that Naruto will make bunch of Super clones of Deidara's c4 size then Naruto and Kyuubi will run to grab some beer and chill out for some time

Hey! This is the Naruto world. They drink Sake.

 

[OldHren]

Im old Hren

I'll looking on you

 

[siyo]

A combination of sage mode and RM would be the ultimate upgrade; I might even start comparing him to sage of sixth paths himself.


Sagemode multiplies the abilities of the user (i.e. speed, strength, chakra, etc), and Naruto without RM could already differentiate between each individual’s chakra on a wide scale, like he did with Konoha. Even though, he was inexperienced and more importantly confused when he arrived to Pain’s mayhem, Naruto was still able to detect Kakashi’s absence, making his sensing already top notch.
Now add the already multiplied ability to sense negative emotion/intent – Let’s just say Naruto would be near invincible in this department (Even without adding the increase effectiveness he gets from sage mode). It would give tremendous freedom to do both at the same time, and would enable him to sense everything around him, while watching out for bad guys. We might even see him influence people via his sensing abilities…

RM Naruto is arguable the fastest man alive, so a combined effort here, would not do anything revolutionary but it would increase his speed and control over his body, which is important-just look at his scrub with Kisame, and I personally believe Naruto is having trouble maintaining his speed, because the jinchuuriki were able to follow Naruto around pretty easily, despite his kyuubi shroud. I know a lot of this got to with Tobi’s shared vision and the strength of his zombies, but you can’t help feeling a little disappointed and RM plus sage mode would definitely get rid of this problem.

Another interest boost would be Naruto’s defense /durability, since he has shown great resistance in both modes. The Kyuubi’s skin/shroud is near indestructible, as we saw against Orochimaru, who couldn’t even pierce the fourth tailed fox with the legendary Kusanagi itself. In sage mode Naruto survived landing on spike, plus he could lift mountains with his fingers.

Finally, his chakra levels would be off the charts and he would never gas out .I know Naruto would need to absorb enough natural energy to balance out the kyuubi’s chakra, but if he could pull it off, I imagine we would see start seeing Naruto being able to extend his body like the Kyuubi can in its natural form. It would also make his TBB much stronger.

Cooperation with the fox, this new super mode and FTG would make Naruto the most powerful man in history. It might even suit his new title as shogun, lol.

 

[GodSasuke]

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[PositiveEmotions]

it would be awesome to see naruto in 9tcm and combine it with sm and the red eye thing

 

[psukkar]

Actually speaking of Mathematics makes me wonder, how the equation of Chakra mixture will follow?
We all know following:
Normal Chakra=Stamina + Spiritual Energy(In certain proportion, depending on Ninja)

Sage Chakra= Stamina + Spiritual Energy + Natural Energy -> Sage mode

Now going little advance:
Kyuubi Mode = [Stamina + Spiritual Energy(of Naruto)] + [Stamina + Spiritual Energy(of fox)]{That means fox chakra}

So,
When we say kyuubi mode + Sage mode means
[Stamina + Spiritual Energy(of Naruto)] + [Stamina + Spiritual Energy(of fox)] + Stamina + Spiritual Energy(of Naruto) + Natural Energy

When we take out common thing i.e.Stamina and Spiritual Energy(of Naruto) equation becomes like this :
Stamina + Spiritual Energy(of Naruto)[{Stamina + Spiritual Energy(of fox)} + Natural Energy]
So does that mean fox will have to take Natural Energy and supply sage chakra to Naruto?
Also, what will happen if fox takes too much Natural Energy and become Statue ....

dude u forgot the fox only has the yang part of his chakra. His Yin part is the death god with minato, 3rd hokage, 1st hokage and 2nd hokage.

Lol thats quite lineup in the deathgods belly lol

 

[aashish1996]

i like it but wouldnt that lead to him being very op very very lol op

isnt' "tobi" already very very op xd so it would be fair

 

[Honord Sage]

Nature abhors a vacuums when Nagato blade cut the flow of Naruto's own chakra the Fox chakra took over the role of Naruto's chakra and it balance out with the Natural energy, that their tells you that it can be done. In Fox mode Naruto substitutes His chakra for the Fox chakra as explain by Bee. So now He just needs to add Sage Mode energy consciously and not instinctively as He did then.