3rd Raikage V.S 4th Hokage

[lanakau888]

Only damage to edo tensei ninja's is when they begin to regenerate. Ill upload images to end this discussion.

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These three images should keep you quite. Edo ninjas have cracks all over their body and face. Only when they are damaged do they regenerate

Btw naruto's rasengan is stronger, he was in km mode when he used it

Nope. All edos start out that way. The raikage didn't have any cracks on him before the rasenshuriken hit, then after it hit he both had cracks all over him and regenerative smoke coming off of him. Later he no longer has any cracks since his body fully regenerated.

Its clear that cracks indicate damage as the place where the rasengan hit the raikage's arm had cracks on it.


and naruto was not in KM mode when his basic rasengan hit raikage's arm, and the power of a rasengan is not determined by what mode you are in, it is only determined by its size. Sage mode merely powers up a normal rasengan by making it bigger.

 

[Blaze Release]

Nope. All edos start out that way. The raikage didn't have any cracks on him before the rasenshuriken hit, then after it hit he both had cracks all over him and regenerative smoke coming off of him. Later he no longer has any cracks since his body fully regenerated.

Its clear that cracks indicate damage as the place where the rasengan hit the raikage's arm had cracks on it.


and naruto was not in KM mode when his basic rasengan hit raikage's arm, and the power of a rasengan is not determined by what mode you are in, it is only determined by its size. Sage mode merely powers up a normal rasengan by making it bigger.

He did just like the rest of the edos, he isnt any different. Accept the facts, its right in front of you. Do you know what, ill find the page where muu summons the kages

 

[lanakau888]

There are many way's in wich he could have cut all of the tentacle's at once. To know how we would need to see how the fight actually happened, but the fact that the 8 tails said it himself should be enough proof, seeing as he was one of the only 2 guys there.

Just tell me one of these many possible ways since I am having a very hard time developing the mental picture of the third raikage's 2 ft long raiton spear piercing through 8 tentacles that are larger than he is all at once.

If that is the case, it is going to take a hell lot of rasengans to do serious damage to the 3rd. Especially after they was is skin was being described.

First, minato's rasengan would do a lot more damage than naruto's standard one, and he can aim at the head, which will do a lot more damage than an arm shot. I am just saying that minato has the means of doing damage to the third.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

How would he have cut off all of the eight tails tails at once? Are you saying that with one swing of his hand, he cut off all 8 of the tails?

Rasenshuriken did damage the raikage hence regenerative smoke and cracks on the edo's body. It just didn't do heavy damage to him which is the only thing that puts edos down long enough to be sealed.

naruto said did the rasenshuriken have no effect...regenerative smoke? wat that was the after effect of the rasenshuriken edo-tensi body always has cracks on it an that was even a resenshuriken covered in 9-tails chakara an it did nonthing. kakashi even said naruto surpassed the 4th the the 4th rasengan would do nonthing.

ps:aiming at the head will do no good.

 

[lanakau888]

He did just like the rest of the edos, he isnt any different. Accept the facts, its right in front of you. Do you know what, ill find the page where muu summons the kages

Every edo starts off with cracks when they first appear/exit their caskets. After a short while, however the cracks disappear completely, and cracks only appear when they are damaged. This logic is true for any edo.

 

[lanakau888]

naruto said did the rasenshuriken have no effect...regenerative smoke? wat that was the after effect of the rasenshuriken edo-tensi body always has cracks on it an that was even a resenshuriken covered in 9-tails chakara an it did nonthing. kakashi even said naruto surpassed the 4th the the 4th rasengan would do nonthing.

ps:aiming at the head will do no good.

Go look at edo raikage before he gets hit by the rasenshuriken. No cracks. Look at him after: cracks and smoke coming from his body. Look at him later: no cracks and no smoke coming from his body.

Look at cerebrus which was hit by naruto's rasenshuriken: no smoke after the rasenshuriken ends. No smoke.

And a rasenshuriken in KM mode has not been shown to be any stronger or weaker than a one done in base. If anything it is weaker than a sage-mode rasenshuriken.

 

[Blaze Release]

Every edo starts off with cracks when they first appear/exit their caskets. After a short while, however the cracks disappear completely, and cracks only appear when they are damaged. This logic is true for any edo.

That isnt true. Ill upload a pic of madara in the latest chapter and he still had the cracks.

Look at the thirds face:

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Look at madara face;

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Both have longed gotten out of their coffins, they still has cracks.

I wonder what youll say next

 

[iSpeak]

Just tell me one of these many possible ways since I am having a very hard time developing the mental picture of the third raikage's 2 ft long raiton spear piercing through 8 tentacles that are larger than he is all at once.


First, minato's rasengan would do a lot more damage than naruto's standard one, and he can aim at the head, which will do a lot more damage than an arm shot. I am just saying that minato has the means of doing damage to the third.

The 3rd could have just ran round cutting all of the tentacles in one attack. He could have rounded up all of the tentacles at cut through them all at once. All I am going by is what it say's in the manga from a very reliable character.

Naruto's Rasengan made hardly any cracks at all, I wouldnt call that damage. You can clearly see the differnce in damage of what Naruto's Rashenshuriken did to what 3rds Hellstab did. And like I said im sure Rasenshuriken > Minato's Rasengan. Which means Hellstab much stronger than Minato's Rasengan. Ofcourse Minato has ways of winning, but I just feel they are very slim.

 

[lanakau888]

That isnt true. Ill upload a pic of madara in the latest chapter and he still had the cracks.

Look at the thirds face:

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In the page before, and before that, it was implied that he was tanking hits from the long range division in base, without his raiton shroud which would explain his cracks.

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Both have longed gotten out of their coffins, they still has cracks

Compared to how long all the other kages had been out of their coffins, he was not out for long. And that crack was on him since the moment his face had been shown. The raikage and any of the other edos who are damaged show cracks AFTER they have been shown to have no cracks.

This shouldn't even be an argument. The cracks that appear on his arm due to the rasengan:

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should be all the evidence you need to conclude that edos get cracks when they are damaged.

 

[Blaze Release]

In the page before, and before that, it was implied that he was tanking hits from the long range division in base, without his raiton shroud which would explain his cracks.


Compared to how long all the other kages had been out of their coffins, he was not out for long. And that crack was on him since the moment his face had been shown. The raikage and any of the other edos who are damaged show cracks AFTER they have been shown to have no cracks.

This shouldn't even be an argument. The cracks that appear on his arm due to the rasengan:

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should be all the evidence you need to conclude that edos get cracks when they are damaged.

This guy never learns. Firstly he says, edo have no crack, i proved him wrong. Now he says they only get cracks when damaged. I proved him wrong again, but also only when are they damaged do they regenerate.

Btw if you look closely, the 3rd arm had cracks before naruto's rasengan hit him.

Fact is they had cracks when they came out of the coffin and they still have cracks after they are out of the coffin

 

[lanakau888]

The 3rd could have just ran round cutting all of the tentacles in one attack. He could have rounded up all of the tentacles at cut through them all at once. All I am going by is what it say's in the manga from a very reliable character.

The same character who said if naruto made kagebunshins in KM mode that he would die IN AN INSTANT.

Naruto's Rasengan made hardly any cracks at all, I wouldnt call that damage. You can clearly see the differnce in damage of what Naruto's Rashenshuriken did to what 3rds Hellstab did. And like I said im sure Rasenshuriken > Minato's Rasengan. Which means Hellstab much stronger than Minato's Rasengan. Ofcourse Minato has ways of winning, but I just feel they are very slim.

Cracks = damage. Naruto's rasengan still did damage, and that wasn't the full damage the rasengan did since the rasengan was still there when we see the cracks. And minato's rasengan is much larger, about the size of naruto's oodama rasengan, which would undoubtedly do a lot more damage than that.

Yeah, sure compared to the hellstab, minato's rasengan will do a lot less damage, but what I am trying to prove is that minato has two means of damaging the third: kunai stab, and minato rasengan.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Go look at edo raikage before he gets hit by the rasenshuriken. No cracks. Look at him after: cracks and smoke coming from his body. Look at him later: no cracks and no smoke coming from his body.

Look at cerebrus which was hit by naruto's rasenshuriken: no smoke after the rasenshuriken ends. No smoke.

And a rasenshuriken in KM mode has not been shown to be any stronger or weaker than a one done in base. If anything it is weaker than a sage-mode rasenshuriken.

9-tails chakara is stronger than any other chakara out there.

"And a rasenshuriken in KM mode has not been shown to be any stronger or weaker than a one done in base"...he has 9-tail fox chakara going around it of course its stronger common sence.naruto never did a sage mode rasenshuriken on raikage he did a regular one of course thats not stronger than a 9-tails rasenshuriken.

about the cracks in the body thing the cracks are there its just not showing them on ch.554 page 3 u can see cracks in raikage's forhead.

cerebrus? who the f is dat

 

[lanakau888]

This guy never leaners. Firstly he says, edo have no crack, i proved him wrong. Now he says they only get cracks when damaged. I proved him wrong again, but also only when are they damaged do their regenerate.

Btw if you look closely, the 3rd arm had cracks before naruto's rasengan hit him.

Fact is they had cracks when they came out of the coffin and they still have cracks after they are out of the coffin

So you basically completely ignored my last post and tried to change the focus of the conversation to get out of trying to debate my last post.

Cracks indicate damage since the only times cracks reappear on an edo who has no cracks is after they sustain damage.

 

[Blaze Release]

So you basically completely ignored my last post and tried to change the focus of the conversation to get out of trying to debate my last post.

Cracks indicate damage since the only times cracks reappear on an edo who has no cracks is after they sustain damage.

Cracks indicate they are edo. They came out of the coffin with cracks, they still had the,. Madara also proved this. Before you say naruto fuuton rasengan caused the cracks, you are wrong because he absorbed it.

Again only damage to an edo is when you see them regenerate and not when they have cracks

 

[Blaze Release]

No offence to you.

but all the threads iv'e seen you in or make have been very stupid.
you should consider yourself one of the biggest shit talkers in NB

I disagree, although he has come up with some pretty outrageous claims in the past, he is actually one the 'smart' people here :flaw:

 

[iSpeak]

The same character who said if naruto made kagebunshins in KM mode that he would die IN AN INSTANT.



Cracks = damage. Naruto's rasengan still did damage, and that wasn't the full damage the rasengan did since the rasengan was still there when we see the cracks. And minato's rasengan is much larger, about the size of naruto's oodama rasengan, which would undoubtedly do a lot more damage than that.

Yeah, sure compared to the hellstab, minato's rasengan will do a lot less damage, but what I am trying to prove is that minato has two means of damaging the third: kunai stab, and minato rasengan.

You really can't compare those two statements made by him. One was a warning of what the damage could cause in the future, the other was facts from the past which cannot be changed. 8 tails isn't able to tell the future, but he is able to tell the unchanged past.

The Rasengan doing more damage is speculation, and judging by how much the Rasenshuriken did I doubt it would be by alot more. I agree Minato's Rasengan might do a small bit of damage, but that can't be the basis of why Minato wins, considering how powerful the 3rds attacks are. And I still doubt the Kunai would be able to go through the 3rds shield.

 

[lanakau888]

9-tails chakara is stronger than any other chakara out there.

Never stated or implied. Ninetails chakra is high in quantity, having near infinite chakra supplies, the quality of its chakra has never been given any such recognition.

"And a rasenshuriken in KM mode has not been shown to be any stronger or weaker than a one done in base"...he has 9-tail fox chakara going around it of course its stronger common sence.naruto never did a sage mode rasenshuriken on raikage he did a regular one of course thats not stronger than a 9-tails rasenshuriken.

What about all the other jutsu naruto has done with KM mode like a basic rasengan. It isn't shown to be any more powerful than a rasengan done in base, but by your logic it should be at least oodama strong.

about the cracks in the body thing the cracks are there its just not showing them on ch.554 page 3 u can see cracks in raikage's forhead.

Look at the raikage on any of those pages right before he gets hit with rasenshuriken. he has no cracks on his arms or body. He has a crack on his forehead because he is still recovering from temari and the long range division's attacks. After he is hit, there is a crap load of cracks on him with regenerative smoke. These cracks later fade away because they are healed by edo tensei as seen later in 555 when they zoom up on the raikage.

cerebrus? who the f is dat

Cerebrus is Nagato's multi-headed dog, which was hit by a rasenshuriken, yet has no smoke over his body.

 

[iSpeak]

No offence to you.

but all the threads iv'e seen you in or make have been very stupid.
you should consider yourself one of the biggest shit talkers in NB

There is no reason to start being disrespectful.

 

[lanakau888]

You really can't compare those two statements made by him. One was a warning of what the damage could cause in the future, the other was facts from the past which cannot be changed. 8 tails isn't able to tell the future, but he is able to tell the unchanged past.

Fact is you called him a "reliable character" or something like that, which he isn't because that statement I made. Also in that very telling of unchanged past, his memory is so fuzzy that he doesn't even remember how the raikage got the scar. But I agree that minato's kunai stab <<< than Raikage's one-finger hellstab. I am just trying to show that minato massive brute strength, enough to cut through or at least inflict some kind of damage on the third.

The Rasengan doing more damage is speculation, and judging by how much the Rasenshuriken did I doubt it would alot more.

Doing more damage isn't speculation since a larger rasengan = a more powerful rasengan. Especially since the difference in strength is this much:

Naruto's rasengan:

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Minato's rasengan:

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I agree Minato's Rasengan might do a small bit of damage, but that can't be the basis of why Minato wins, considering how powerful the 3rds attacks are. And I still doubt the Kunai would be able to go through the 3rds shield.

Minato has already shown to make quick work of the fourth raikage who has much better speed feats than the third. Although their offensive capabilities are enormously apart, it doesn't mean anything as long as minato has a way to kill the third, especially since minato's fighting style is not relyant on a strong defense, or tanking lots of hits, but rather not being hit at all.

 

[Majora]

This isn't even a battle of course sandaime Raikage pwns..