Darui and Kakashi vs. Sasori AND KAKUZU (full form both)

Darui and kakashi vs KAKUZU and Sasori

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Welcome to NB and thanx for starting ur post with my thread....i can at a point agree with you..... but what if conditions state:
1. kakuzu has his elements merged , (his 3rd form)
2. kakashi and darui know each others abilities well
3. sasori and kakuzu know each other's abilities well
4. kakashi knows about sasori and kakuzu's abilities while they kow about kakashi's a little
5. sasori and kakuzu DO NOT KNOW darui's abilities.
6. Darui has his sword.
7. theyr fighting in a ROCKY area.
That would give Kakashi and Darui a significant advantage (I'm not stating that's wrong, just stating a fact). At that point it mostly boils down to how effective Kamui would be against Sasori's core shift and the Third Kazekage's iron sand. However, the terrain give Kakashi and Darui an even greater advantage since Sasori needs to be able to see where his opponents are in order to make good use of his puppets. Another big factor for me is how capable Sasori is at flying. He only displayed this ability for a short time, but he appeared to be fairly aero-dynamic and fast.

With Kakuzu, actually having all the masks merged within himself would be a massive tactical error in this case due to all of the possible hiding places. Unlike Sasori's puppets, the masks can act independently of Kakuzu's will. I would like to think that his vast experience would tell him it would be foolish to completely merge with his masks under these conditions.

As far as Darui goes, I find him relatively hard to evaluate. It will be easier once he gets more anime time - it's hard guaging abilities strictly from the manga. I would like to know what elements make up his storm element. A reasonable guess would be lightning and water since those are his other two elements, but it isn't for certain. I also can't evaluate the weaknesses of his jutsu since it's a bloodline limit, making it much tougher to analyze since you don't know how it reacts to other elements.

If we take one last look at the terrain you set, again it does put Sasori at a bit of a disadvantage unless he and Kakuzu destroy the surrounding cover. If they did that then they would regain the advantage. They are also both long-ranged users while Kakashi is a close-mid range user (he is leading the close-mid range squad) and Darui is a mid-range user (leading the mid range squad). However, a big part of fighting in a rocky terrain is sensing abilities. Kakashi has smell (which would only work on Kakuzu since Sasori theoretically shouldn't have a scent), Darui and Kakuzu don't appear to have any sensing ability, and there was only that one instance where Sasori blocked Naruto's shuriken that he displayed any sensing ability (I can't accurately evaluate his based on such little info.). As far as sensors go I can't give either group a huge edge.

Regardless, under the conditions you set Kakashi's and Darui's odds of winning go up. I'm not saying they would be able to win 100% of the time, far from it actually. But their odds would be better than what I initially gave them. A good portion of Kakuzu's and Sasori's strength comes from the secrecy of their techniques, so letting Kakashi and Darui know their abilities evens things out much more for me. There are too many unknowns with Darui to give a definitive percentage, but I'd still say Team Akatuski has enough sheer firepower and stamina to win more than 50% of the time.
 

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That would give Kakashi and Darui a significant advantage (I'm not stating that's wrong, just stating a fact). At that point it mostly boils down to how effective Kamui would be against Sasori's core shift and the Third Kazekage's iron sand. However, the terrain give Kakashi and Darui an even greater advantage since Sasori needs to be able to see where his opponents are in order to make good use of his puppets. Another big factor for me is how capable Sasori is at flying. He only displayed this ability for a short time, but he appeared to be fairly aero-dynamic and fast.

With Kakuzu, actually having all the masks merged within himself would be a massive tactical error in this case due to all of the possible hiding places. Unlike Sasori's puppets, the masks can act independently of Kakuzu's will. I would like to think that his vast experience would tell him it would be foolish to completely merge with his masks under these conditions.

As far as Darui goes, I find him relatively hard to evaluate. It will be easier once he gets more anime time - it's hard guaging abilities strictly from the manga. I would like to know what elements make up his storm element. A reasonable guess would be lightning and water since those are his other two elements, but it isn't for certain. I also can't evaluate the weaknesses of his jutsu since it's a bloodline limit, making it much tougher to analyze since you don't know how it reacts to other elements.

If we take one last look at the terrain you set, again it does put Sasori at a bit of a disadvantage unless he and Kakuzu destroy the surrounding cover. If they did that then they would regain the advantage. They are also both long-ranged users while Kakashi is a close-mid range user (he is leading the close-mid range squad) and Darui is a mid-range user (leading the mid range squad). However, a big part of fighting in a rocky terrain is sensing abilities. Kakashi has smell (which would only work on Kakuzu since Sasori theoretically shouldn't have a scent), Darui and Kakuzu don't appear to have any sensing ability, and there was only that one instance where Sasori blocked Naruto's shuriken that he displayed any sensing ability (I can't accurately evaluate his based on such little info.). As far as sensors go I can't give either group a huge edge.

Regardless, under the conditions you set Kakashi's and Darui's odds of winning go up. I'm not saying they would be able to win 100% of the time, far from it actually. But their odds would be better than what I initially gave them. A good portion of Kakuzu's and Sasori's strength comes from the secrecy of their techniques, so letting Kakashi and Darui know their abilities evens things out much more for me. There are too many unknowns with Darui to give a definitive percentage, but I'd still say Team Akatuski has enough sheer firepower and stamina to win more than 50% of the time.

yeah conidering the very fat that merged kakuzu was distracted by 3 shadow clones of nruto, if kakashi uses 3 clones as well, it wudnt bother kakashi and hence wud be an advantage too...

moreover, rocky terrain wud be an advantage to the lightning users, plus kakashi can use earth style....

"" i guess u read the prev analysis in prev pages considering your analysis""" btw nice work
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I just thought of an advantage Kakuzu and Sasori might have in this situation that would be HUGE. Sasori is nothing but a heart right? Kakuzu has a collection of hearts. Would Kakuzu be able to replace Sasori's heart if it were destroyed? I realize that it wouldn't be Sasori's heart, but none of them are actually Kakuzu's heart either and they can bring him back to life. Obviously this can't be proven true or false, but it is something interesting to think about.
 

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I just thought of an advantage Kakuzu and Sasori might have in this situation that would be HUGE. Sasori is nothing but a heart right? Kakuzu has a collection of hearts. Would Kakuzu be able to replace Sasori's heart if it were destroyed? I realize that it wouldn't be Sasori's heart, but none of them are actually Kakuzu's heart either and they can bring him back to life. Obviously this can't be proven true or false, but it is something interesting to think about.
nice one...but only if kakuzu's hearts survive!!!!!!
the very fact that kakashi knows the weakness of kakuzu and the method to destroy his heart, it wnt be difficult...like destroying fire one with water, earth with ligtning etc
 

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yeah conidering the very fat that merged kakuzu was distracted by 3 shadow clones of nruto, if kakashi uses 3 clones as well, it wudnt bother kakashi and hence wud be an advantage too...

moreover, rocky terrain wud be an advantage to the lightning users, plus kakashi can use earth style....

"" i guess u read the prev analysis in prev pages considering your analysis""" btw nice work
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Hey, thanks. I honestly wasn't sure how you would reply to my analysis based on some posts earlier in this thread, but you can be pretty reasonable when people aren't trying to flame each other.
 

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nice one...but only if kakuzu's hearts survive!!!!!!
the very fact that kakashi knows the weakness of kakuzu and the method to destroy his heart, it wnt be difficult...like destroying fire one with water, earth with ligtning etc
That's true, but Kakuzu would be able to counter Kakashi the same way. I assume that Kakuzu also knows the strengths and weaknesses of elements. So when he sees Kakashi use one element he can have the appropriate mask respond to nullify the affect. (Especially fire+wind which can apparentally only be stopped by water+wind.) Natually, that would reduce the number of masks flying around, but you gotta take the pros with the cons.
 

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I'm gonna be completely honest here: I registered right here JUST to comment on this battle thread. I am going to look at this as realistically as possible and not try to flame others. I'm also going to largely avoid repeating points other people have already made unless I feel the points are incomplete. If you want me to elaborate, kindly ask and I will be happy to oblige.

First off, my general rule is that virtually any top-tier (kage level) shinobi can beat any other top-tier shinobi in a given situation.

First off, are we assuming that all four of these people know each other's abilities or if they only know each other by reputation. If it's by reputation then Sasori and Kakuzu have a significant advantage. Team Kakashi would know virtually nothing about Kakuzu and the only thing they would know about Sasori is that he was a master puppeteer. On the other hand, Kakashi's reputation and abilities seem to be fairly well-known by the members of Akatsuki. (With the exception of his mangekyou) I doubt they would know much about Darui since he was from the Cloud Village which had no Akatuski reps.

If they do know each others abilities then Team Kakashi has the advantage since they know how to target Sasori and won't be taken by surprise from Kakuzu's multiple hearts.

When looking at this from an abilities standpoint I have to give the advantage to Team Akatsuki. They have an outrageous numbers advantage (puppets and masks) as well as near immortality if you don't know how to target them. Also, Kakuzu and Sasori both have at least limited flight capabilities which is a HUGE tactical advantage. There is also a great deal of talk about the use of Kakashi's Kamui. If the two teams no only each other's reputations then Kakashi wouldn't know to target Sasori's core. If they did know about each others abilities then Sasori SHOULD be able to dodge Kamui by switching his core to a different puppet. The core shift is said to happen in a split second in the naruto wiki (so fast that Chiyo didn't notice). And Sasori would be able to make use of that very well as soon as he sees Kakashi's mangekyou. Also, the poison in Sasori's weapons are saturated into the metal, so water jutsus wouldn't wash it out.

Lastly, I'm going to look at intelligence and experience. Kakashi, Sasori, and Kakuzu and have a stat of 5 of intelligence in the databooks, and I have to assume the Darui is probably a 5 also. Therefore, they really are all tactical geniuses. However, Team Akatsuki has much more experience mostly due to Kakuzu. Also, Darui and Kakashi have pretty much never seen each other fight and I have to assume that Sasori and Kakuzu are at least aware of each other's abilites. So they also get an edge there.

After taking all of that into consideration, I would give a large edge for Team Akatsuki to win if the teams' knowledge of each other was based purely on reputation. If they know each other's abilites it depends largely on whether or not Sasori's core shift is fast enough to avoid Kamui. But with the huge numerical advantage the Akatsuki has, I still have to give them the advantage to win.

Again, all fights in Naruto are based off of the situation the fight is in. Kakashi and Darui would be capable of winning in a particular situation.
Forget EVERYTHING that ANYONE has said on this thread, This right here is what NB needs, people who are reasonable and who see things for what they are and to give credit where its due. This post alone cancels out everything, and should end the debate. Everything in this post, I completely AGREE. Only if u got here sooner.:hug:
 

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NIMPO------THREAD BINDING NO JUTSU------*****

HOPE IT WORKS, WITH THIS, I HEREBY THE SUMMONER OF THIS TREAD,, CLOSE THE DEBATE...... CONCLUDING THAT
KAKASHI AND DARUI WIN


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now all u can do is post who u support, no analysis, no arguement
 

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for the last time sharingan allow to see chakra flows don't you get it?
his core use chakra ,

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sharingan will not not see anything in his puppet part ,what it stays? the core with chakra flows .

kakuzu?it's never stated that kakashi saw or not that he got 5 hearts .he attacked the normal heart that could may been the main one .

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and kakuzu was not a puppet that's have some influence too, finnally you're totally wrong .

But i guess you still don't understand sorry for you can't help.

how sad...
rep + ,nice to see some nice analyze there ,indeed sharingan allow to see chakra flow .
 

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nah, i did nt close the thread, its jux that now only new statements shud b given! Quoting the previous analysis nd Giving lame analysis, insulting, thats smthn inappropriate!
 

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nah, i did nt close the thread, its jux that now only new statements shud b given! Quoting the previous analysis nd Giving lame analysis, insulting, thats smthn inappropriate!
I agree that this thread can't be taken much further.

We've worked out most of the possible abilities, advantages, and disadvantages that would be in the fight. There really aren't to many more good points that can be made.
 

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jux say it aftr reading the WHOLE DAMN discusion which u wnt, so shut it
I did read whole discussion, but that doesnt change the fact that Kakashi and Darui don stand a chance. Put some kage-level shinobi insted of Darui and I will call it an even fight, but as for now Sasori and Kakuzu would definietly win.
 

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darui aint a kage level?
Nope, hes skilled very skilled jounin, but hes not on Kages level. Sasori and Kakuzu are beyond his level.
Or i gues u havnt seen darui fIght jin and kin
Nope, I remember this fight very well.
I wnt b agrein that u read the whole discusion, if u had, u wnt b sayin this!
Why do you think I havent read this discussion? Becuase Im not agreeing that Kakashi and Darui would take this? Thats silly. I was writing in this thread earlier and you simply didnt respond to some of my arguments.
 
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