Konohasageofthesixpath
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lol yea to late but like someone said your late for work lol
[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 560 Discussion and 561 Predictions
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KnowledgeGod
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I posted this before.. i think it was fortold to him. A prophecy....You got to realized that prophecies has been told throughout the manga: Jariya, Naruto, and yes Minato....by who? The Great Honrable Geezer Toad....but you notice its not that clear until it occurs in present time......On the other hand i think Black Zestu foretold Madara's prohecy...This is what i think....logic! is my stamp, dont take offense...lol
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yea it was good chptr. and you're right i'm late . bye evry bodiez.
peace out.!!!!!!!!!!!
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just one question that if real madara uchiha is dead in the fight with Hashirama Senju than how come he is able to know nagato because he cannot be present at that time.(same dialogue like you).......logic
I posted this before.. i think it was fortold to him. A prophecy....You got to realized that prophecies has been told throughout the manga: Jariya, Naruto, and yes Minato....by who? The Great Honrable Geezer Toad....but you notice its not that clear until it occurs in present time......On the other hand i think Black Zestu foretold Madara's prohecy...This is what i think....logic! is my stamp, dont take offense...lol
you're sound like sum kinda prof. philosipher bud.
yea it was good chptr. and you're right i'm late . bye evry bodiez.
peace out.!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by yousufnaruto
just one question that if real madara uchiha is dead in the fight with Hashirama Senju than how come he is able to know nagato because he cannot be present at that time.(same dialogue like you).......logic
I posted this before.. i think it was fortold to him. A prophecy....You got to realized that prophecies has been told throughout the manga: Jariya, Naruto, and yes Minato....by who? The Great Honrable Geezer Toad....but you notice its not that clear until it occurs in present time......On the other hand i think Black Zestu foretold Madara's prohecy...This is what i think....logic! is my stamp, dont take offense...lol
you're sound like sum kinda prof. philosipher bud.
KnowledgeGod
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I guess...I actually took philosophy in college....critical thinking,process of elimination, and deductive reasoining is what im into especially when it comes to applying it to this manga...
NapoleonKiller
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Remember when Naruto was coming to war with Killer-B they met Itachi and Nagato. There Naruto told Itachi that 'Madara Uchiha' has told him about the Uchiha Clan Massacre. Then Itachi says "So 'he' knew about me."
so, if tobi helped itachi destroy the clan then why does itachi says this line??
And when Madara saw the ongoing war he said "Things are not going according to the plan". So if Tobi was Madara he would have gone according to their plans.
Still, I appreciate your great thinking.
Counter Points:
Remember when Naruto was coming to war with Killer-B they met Itachi and Nagato. There Naruto told Itachi that 'Madara Uchiha' has told him about the Uchiha Clan Massacre. Then Itachi says "So 'he' knew about me."
so, if tobi helped itachi destroy the clan then why does itachi says this line??
And when Madara saw the ongoing war he said "Things are not going according to the plan". So if Tobi was Madara he would have gone according to their plans.
Still, I appreciate your great thinking.
NapoleonKiller
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And Madara says he achieved Rinnegan just a few time before his death. And I don't think that when he was fighting Hashirama, he had the Rinnegan.
And Madara says he achieved Rinnegan just a few time before his death. And I don't think that when he was fighting Hashirama, he had the Rinnegan.
NapoleonKiller
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Just can't get this through my mind!!
WHO COULD HAVE KILLED MADARA UCHIHA???
(it is proven it was not the 1st hokage)
Just can't get this through my mind!!
WHO COULD HAVE KILLED MADARA UCHIHA???
(it is proven it was not the 1st hokage)
Re: Naruto Manga 560 Discussion and 561 Predictions
Hello, spammers. I wanted to point something out.
1. Japanese Romaji syllable "to" means:
"to: 10 (num), 18 litres (a measure of volume)
, door (Japanese-style) , gang, if (conjunction), metropolitan (adj-no,n), municipal, party , person (suf), promoted pawn (shogi) (abbr), set, ten, way "
2. "Bi" is an ending used in the composing of adverbs.
Ichibi= one-tailed
Nibi= two-tailed
Sanbi= three-tailed
And so on, and so on.
Tobi= ...
Now, "Tobi" is just a pseudonym he came up with, we figured that much. It definitely indicates his intentions, though.
We MUST NOT ignore that half of the Kyuubi's chakra was sealed in Minato, and the other half in Naruto, therefore, as chakra CAN be divided and sealed separately (as we have also witnessed it happened with Muu's), half of Madara's chakra could have perfectly been sealed while the other half remained in the mortal world.
I still think Tobi is Izuna. I believe Izuna, in order to have Madara achieve the Rinnegan - seeing as he had a clear mind, defined intentions, and the leadership needed to achieve them -,voluntarily gave his eyes to his brother and then got another pair. Madara and Izuna had to turn to finding a proper vessel for Madara's Rinnegan once Madara was gone: this they did, possibly, when Madara was already in his deathbed. The result was Nagato, who then Izuna would drag into Akatsuki along with Yahiko, all of this to, at some point, once Nagato's abilities had developed properly, resurrect Madara.
Then he'd pluck Nagato's eyes out, again, to have Madara look pretty once more.
We MUST NOT ignore a döjutsu can be deactivated and still look peculiar (have you paid enough attention to the Byakugan users? Also, Kurenai's eyes are funny-looking - the older son's eyes looking like that DOES NOT indicate his jutsu was "on"); the older of the Sage's sons could have perfectly had it resting "when the picture was taken", though I really doubt the drawer would show him that way while trying to illustrate how he "inherited the Sage's *eyes*" <--- We MUST NOT discard the use of metaphors by the author, it would be very silly. It could perfectly mean he inherited the Sage's "vision", while "the youngest inherited the Sage's body" could mean he inherited the Sage's "mission", his fundament, his purpose, which completely makes sense.
The older son's eyes could also be a diminished version of the Sage's Rinnegan, which DOES NOT discard, at all, that he had the potential to develop the original Rinnegan, just like an Uchiha would (with the pressumed possession of the younger son's proper genes)
I think Madara, not Izuna, intends to become the Ten-tailed beast's vessel, BUT, in order to deceive his fellow ninja, Izuna needed to dress himself in uncertainty as much as possible, thus, when his identity was discovered (that is, when they discovered he IS NOT Madara but somebody else, still unknown), he would still be protected by his surroundings' ignorance AND Madara's intentions would still be unknown to them.
But that's just my theory.
Hello, spammers. I wanted to point something out.
1. Japanese Romaji syllable "to" means:
"to: 10 (num), 18 litres (a measure of volume)
, door (Japanese-style) , gang, if (conjunction), metropolitan (adj-no,n), municipal, party , person (suf), promoted pawn (shogi) (abbr), set, ten, way "2. "Bi" is an ending used in the composing of adverbs.
Ichibi= one-tailed
Nibi= two-tailed
Sanbi= three-tailed
And so on, and so on.
Tobi= ...
Now, "Tobi" is just a pseudonym he came up with, we figured that much. It definitely indicates his intentions, though.
We MUST NOT ignore that half of the Kyuubi's chakra was sealed in Minato, and the other half in Naruto, therefore, as chakra CAN be divided and sealed separately (as we have also witnessed it happened with Muu's), half of Madara's chakra could have perfectly been sealed while the other half remained in the mortal world.
I still think Tobi is Izuna. I believe Izuna, in order to have Madara achieve the Rinnegan - seeing as he had a clear mind, defined intentions, and the leadership needed to achieve them -,voluntarily gave his eyes to his brother and then got another pair. Madara and Izuna had to turn to finding a proper vessel for Madara's Rinnegan once Madara was gone: this they did, possibly, when Madara was already in his deathbed. The result was Nagato, who then Izuna would drag into Akatsuki along with Yahiko, all of this to, at some point, once Nagato's abilities had developed properly, resurrect Madara.
Then he'd pluck Nagato's eyes out, again, to have Madara look pretty once more.
We MUST NOT ignore a döjutsu can be deactivated and still look peculiar (have you paid enough attention to the Byakugan users? Also, Kurenai's eyes are funny-looking - the older son's eyes looking like that DOES NOT indicate his jutsu was "on"); the older of the Sage's sons could have perfectly had it resting "when the picture was taken", though I really doubt the drawer would show him that way while trying to illustrate how he "inherited the Sage's *eyes*" <--- We MUST NOT discard the use of metaphors by the author, it would be very silly. It could perfectly mean he inherited the Sage's "vision", while "the youngest inherited the Sage's body" could mean he inherited the Sage's "mission", his fundament, his purpose, which completely makes sense.
The older son's eyes could also be a diminished version of the Sage's Rinnegan, which DOES NOT discard, at all, that he had the potential to develop the original Rinnegan, just like an Uchiha would (with the pressumed possession of the younger son's proper genes)
I think Madara, not Izuna, intends to become the Ten-tailed beast's vessel, BUT, in order to deceive his fellow ninja, Izuna needed to dress himself in uncertainty as much as possible, thus, when his identity was discovered (that is, when they discovered he IS NOT Madara but somebody else, still unknown), he would still be protected by his surroundings' ignorance AND Madara's intentions would still be unknown to them.
But that's just my theory.
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NapoleonKiller
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But, now as you can see, Tobi took Nagato's Rinnegan and Madara got his Sharingan changed into Rinnegan. Izuna was not a fool that he didn't know that Madara (when resurrected) can 'change his sharingan to rinnegan'.
And it was not in Tobi's plan to RESURRECT everyone. He was going to use the Zetsu clone army. But Kabuto said he would help him in return of Sasuke.
but tobi refused to give sasuke, then kabuto brought out another coffin which had MADARA UCHIHA. Seeing this Tobi (afraid of Madara/blackmailed by kabuto) agreed to the Sasuke deal.
and Tobi still doesnt know that Madara has been resurrected.
But your To=10/Bi=tails theory totally makes sense.
whoever tobi is would have had the same theory to change his name to 'TOBI'
As you said it was Izuna's plan to find a vessel for Madara's Rinnegan when Madara died, so he gave the Rinnegan to Nagato, so that when Madara is resurrected he can get back his Rinnegan.Hello, spammers. I wanted to point something out.
1. Japanese Romaji syllable "to" means:
"to: 10 (num), 18 litres (a measure of volume)
2. "Bi" is an ending used in the composing of adverbs.
Ichibi= one-tailed
Nibi= two-tailed
Sanbi= three-tailed
And so on, and so on.
Tobi= ...
Now, "Tobi" is just a pseudonym he came up with, we figured that much. It definitely indicates his intentions, though.
We MUST NOT ignore that half of the Kyuubi's chakra was sealed in Minato, and the other half in Naruto, therefore, as chakra CAN be divided and sealed separately (as we have also witnessed it happened with Muu's), half of Madara's chakra could have perfectly been sealed while the other half remained in the mortal world.
I still think Tobi is Izuna. I believe Izuna, in order to have Madara achieve the Rinnegan - seeing as he had a clear mind, defined intentions, and the leadership needed to achieve them -,voluntarily gave his eyes to his brother and then got another pair. Madara and Izuna had to turn to finding a proper vessel for Madara's Rinnegan once Madara was gone: this they did, possibly, when Madara was already in his deathbed. The result was Nagato, who then Izuna would drag into Akatsuki along with Yahiko, all of this to, at some point, once Nagato's abilities had developed properly, resurrect Madara.
Then he'd pluck Nagato's eyes out, again, to have Madara look pretty once more.
We MUST NOT ignore a döjutsu can be deactivated and still look peculiar (have you paid enough attention to the Byakugan users? Also, Kurenai's eyes are funny-looking - the older son's eyes looking like that DOES NOT indicate his jutsu was "on"); the older of the Sage's sons could have perfectly had it resting "when the picture was taken", though I really doubt the drawer would show him that way while trying to illustrate how he "inherited the Sage's *eyes*" <--- We MUST NOT discard the use of metaphors by the author, it would be very silly. It could perfectly mean he inherited the Sage's "vision", while "the youngest inherited the Sage's body" could mean he inherited the Sage's "mission", his fundament, his purpose, which completely makes sense.
The older son's eyes could also be a diminished version of the Sage's Rinnegan, which DOES NOT discard, at all, that he had the potential to develop the original Rinnegan, just like an Uchiha would (with the pressumed possession of the younger son's proper genes)
I think Madara, not Izuna, intends to become the Ten-tailed beast's vessel, BUT, in order to deceive his fellow ninja, Izuna needed to dress himself in uncertainty as much as possible, thus, when his identity was discovered (that is, when they discovered he IS NOT Madara but somebody else, still unknown), he would still be protected by his surroundings' ignorance AND Madara's intentions would still be unknown to them.
But that's just my theory.
But, now as you can see, Tobi took Nagato's Rinnegan and Madara got his Sharingan changed into Rinnegan. Izuna was not a fool that he didn't know that Madara (when resurrected) can 'change his sharingan to rinnegan'.
And it was not in Tobi's plan to RESURRECT everyone. He was going to use the Zetsu clone army. But Kabuto said he would help him in return of Sasuke.
but tobi refused to give sasuke, then kabuto brought out another coffin which had MADARA UCHIHA. Seeing this Tobi (afraid of Madara/blackmailed by kabuto) agreed to the Sasuke deal.
and Tobi still doesnt know that Madara has been resurrected.
But your To=10/Bi=tails theory totally makes sense.
whoever tobi is would have had the same theory to change his name to 'TOBI'
NapoleonKiller
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I don't think Madara implanted the eyes into Nagato's, maybe Tobi did. I doubt Nagato's father was even born during Madara's era. Remeber Jaraiya trained Nagato.
xXMinatOXx
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thats a great organized and explained theory ..we have to wait nd see if it comes trueeHello, spammers. I wanted to point something out.
1. Japanese Romaji syllable "to" means:
"to: 10 (num), 18 litres (a measure of volume)
2. "Bi" is an ending used in the composing of adverbs.
Ichibi= one-tailed
Nibi= two-tailed
Sanbi= three-tailed
And so on, and so on.
Tobi= ...
Now, "Tobi" is just a pseudonym he came up with, we figured that much. It definitely indicates his intentions, though.
We MUST NOT ignore that half of the Kyuubi's chakra was sealed in Minato, and the other half in Naruto, therefore, as chakra CAN be divided and sealed separately (as we have also witnessed it happened with Muu's), half of Madara's chakra could have perfectly been sealed while the other half remained in the mortal world.
I still think Tobi is Izuna. I believe Izuna, in order to have Madara achieve the Rinnegan - seeing as he had a clear mind, defined intentions, and the leadership needed to achieve them -,voluntarily gave his eyes to his brother and then got another pair. Madara and Izuna had to turn to finding a proper vessel for Madara's Rinnegan once Madara was gone: this they did, possibly, when Madara was already in his deathbed. The result was Nagato, who then Izuna would drag into Akatsuki along with Yahiko, all of this to, at some point, once Nagato's abilities had developed properly, resurrect Madara.
Then he'd pluck Nagato's eyes out, again, to have Madara look pretty once more.
We MUST NOT ignore a döjutsu can be deactivated and still look peculiar (have you paid enough attention to the Byakugan users? Also, Kurenai's eyes are funny-looking - the older son's eyes looking like that DOES NOT indicate his jutsu was "on"); the older of the Sage's sons could have perfectly had it resting "when the picture was taken", though I really doubt the drawer would show him that way while trying to illustrate how he "inherited the Sage's *eyes*" <--- We MUST NOT discard the use of metaphors by the author, it would be very silly. It could perfectly mean he inherited the Sage's "vision", while "the youngest inherited the Sage's body" could mean he inherited the Sage's "mission", his fundament, his purpose, which completely makes sense.
The older son's eyes could also be a diminished version of the Sage's Rinnegan, which DOES NOT discard, at all, that he had the potential to develop the original Rinnegan, just like an Uchiha would (with the pressumed possession of the younger son's proper genes)
I think Madara, not Izuna, intends to become the Ten-tailed beast's vessel, BUT, in order to deceive his fellow ninja, Izuna needed to dress himself in uncertainty as much as possible, thus, when his identity was discovered (that is, when they discovered he IS NOT Madara but somebody else, still unknown), he would still be protected by his surroundings' ignorance AND Madara's intentions would still be unknown to them.
But that's just my theory.
NapoleonKiller
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At first i was amazed too but after some thinkings, i found some great counter points....look at the first post of the page.
thats a great organized and explained theory ..we have to wait nd see if it comes truee
KnowledgeGod
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Edo tensi Madara and Black Zestu planned everything before Madara actually died against Hashirama, but the thing is Edo tensi Madara doesnt knows that Black Zestu has changed part of himself to who we know as Tobi. He dont know about Tobi....Edo tensi Madara just know of the Black Zestu form.
I feel like Black Zestu was doubled crossing Madara from the entire begining...for his own purpose, Madara was just a key ingredient that he needed to make himself whole again...logic!
I know everything your saying is fact......but your not understand what im telling you...Madara died! yes Edo tensi proves this to be true....Im not saying that Madara is Tobi's soul or anything...Im saying Tobi consist of Madara's original body, White Zestu, and Black Zestu....White Zestu is able to make a copy anybody including that person life force. Life force is the Chakra pattern.....So in a sense Tobi is telling the truth.....
Edo tensi Madara and Black Zestu planned everything before Madara actually died against Hashirama, but the thing is Edo tensi Madara doesnt knows that Black Zestu has changed part of himself to who we know as Tobi. He dont know about Tobi....Edo tensi Madara just know of the Black Zestu form.
I feel like Black Zestu was doubled crossing Madara from the entire begining...for his own purpose, Madara was just a key ingredient that he needed to make himself whole again...logic!
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