Itachi vs Minato

Itachi and Minato

  • Itachi

    Votes: 27 41.5%
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Owarij

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lol i love how you guys are avoiding my point about , if he does not look at itachi's eyes, how can he avoid amaterasu? when he doesnt see it activating? EXACTLY he can't

when gai came, and told them to not look at his eyes, and they looked at his feet, right there and then , he could shoot amaterasu out ,and kill each one of them, wanna know y? they can't see it coming because they ARENT LOOKING AT HIS EYES, the only person who can sense evil intent, and some how possibly dodge that, is NARUTO in his km
 
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Might Guy knew not to look into his eyes, are you saying he is more intelligent than Minato? Anyone who knows anything knows that you don't look a sharingan user in the eyes.
He only knew because his rival Kakashi has a Sharingan, and Asuma said he's the only one who can do that, since Taijutsu is all Guy specializes in, and trained to fight by looking at his feet for that specific reason to counter Sharingan.
 

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Just because he isn't watching his eyes, doesn't mean he isn't looking at Itachi, He can look at his mouth, ears, feet, hands(where his seals come from). As long as there isn't direct eye contact, he is safe.
Minato>Kakashi
Minato>Guy
Minato>Chiyo
Again, Minato>Jiraiya=Itachi. Someone, please argue this point. Why isn't there an argument against this?Because you can't argue facts.
 

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Nilloc Uzumaki, the scores in the databooks are nothing but a guidance. Orochimaru isn't just intelligent (actually he was praised as a Genius by Konoha, even bevore his experiments), he also has 5 points at Genjutsu, the maximum. But still he couldn't do anything about Magen: Kasegui, a strong, paralyzing ilussion used with a mere Sharingan. And in the latest databook it's stated that eye contact is not required for that Genjutsu. It's activated by just looking at the enemy. It's also stated there that it doesn't only paralyze the enemy - it also creates physical pain. Yes, Tsukuyomi isn't the only Genjutsu that creates real Pain. And that's not the only Sharingan based Genjutsu which works that way. Kakashi used his not-as-good-as-Itachi's-Sharingan to make two members of Anbue Ne fall asleep the same time, by simply looking at them. I agree that Minato could escape 'normal' Genjutsu by teleporting himself far, far away with his Hiraishin no Jutsu. It's statet that Genjutsu only works in a certain range. But the moment he returns & gets too close to Itachi, he'll just be paralyzed again. Another great example is Madara like we saw him in chapter 560; he just looked at that guy with the big sword that was about to jump on him with his mere Sharingan, and as a result that dear was totally unable to move. You're really underestimating the Sharingan and its powerful ilussions, which can't be broken without a second chakra source. Yes, that's stated in the Scrolls of Sha, too.

That much about Itachi's 'normal' Genjutsu. Tsukuyomi was called the most powerful Genjutsu more than just one time, and that with a reason. Itachi controlls everything inside the world of the reading moon. Time and space, as well as the matter - everything is controlled by him inside that ilussion. So, since everything that happens inside Tsukuyomi only takes one second in reality, I don't see a chance for Minato to escape it with Hiraishin. The consequeces of Tsukuyomi should be clear; nobody can overcome 72 hours of pure pain & torture. And I really mean nobody. So, it's clear that Minato is done for if he looks into Itachi's eyes from a too close range. He can avoid eye contact, yes. But that makes it even more hard for him to fight Itachi, on top of that he can't 'predict' if Itachi is about to use Amaterasu. Anyway, how should he know about Tsukuyomi? Even if he would, eye contact can happen at any time, even unintended. Itachi can even project his eyes to one of his crows, so eye contact is not that much of a problem.
 
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Dude lets say he doesn't know anything, on both sides, OK??

Minato just throws kunai in rapid speed, first reflex wud be to block, but Minato pops out of it and Itachi can't know this, so Itachi doesn't know to do susanoo like he did against Sasuke! Minato pops out and kills Itachi. Whats wrong with that????!

Thats what Minato always does to all of his opponents, ftg and then bye bye, even ppl who know about ftg didn't know what to do. Itachi loses unless he knows about ftg.

Also Itachi can't even use genjutsu long range so while they walk up to each other from around 30ft distance Minato cud throw a kunia and game over.

Please give a legit reply and if not then Minato wins unless Itachi has knowledge and also even without it Itachi has his chances. OK??
A Sharingan can see a kunai coming 30 ft away..

And if Itachi choses to block it, he can probably still read Minato's movements that he does after he's teleported out of the Kunai. Like slicing Itachi neck with a kunai........Itachi will see the Kunai coming, with his Sharingan preception. It's not like as soon as Minato teleports Itachi is dead, no Minato has to make a movement still. And the movement is what Itachi should see. With Mangekyou Sharingan. Probably not regular Sharingan.

But Itachi had 1 method of long-range Genjutsu that we've seen.
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Or if their 30 ft away from each other, Itachi does have Amaterasu and clones.
 

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lol i love how you guys are avoiding my point about , if he does not look at itachi's eyes, how can he avoid amaterasu? when he doesnt see it activating? EXACTLY he can't

when gai came, and told them to not look at his eyes, and they looked at his feet, right there and then , he could shoot amaterasu out ,and kill each one of them, wanna know y? they can't see it coming because they ARENT LOOKING AT HIS EYES, the only person who can sense evil intent, and some how possibly dodge that, is NARUTO in his km
If Minato can see raikage coming at him with his fastest attack and teleport in time then he can see amaterasu coming and teleport before it touches him, amaterasu is slower than raikage's fastest attack and since it a wide flame Minato will see it without looking at Itachi's eyes
 

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Just because he isn't watching his eyes, doesn't mean he isn't looking at Itachi, He can look at his mouth, ears, feet, hands(where his seals come from). As long as there isn't direct eye contact, he is safe.
Minato>Kakashi
Minato>Guy
Minato>Chiyo
Again, Minato>Jiraiya=Itachi. Someone, please argue this point. Why isn't there an argument against this?Because you can't argue facts.
urm , still haven't proven my point wrong, if you don't make eye contact, you won't see ems activating, and then it's over, raikage dodged sasuke's enton because he was watching at his eyes..
 

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Peripheral vision: Part of vision that occurs outside the center of vision. He would see it activate out of his Peripheral. Your whole argument is Sharingan this, sharingan that, but guess what. Sharingan doesn't make you invincible, sorry.
 

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If Minato can see raikage coming at him with his fastest attack and teleport in time then he can see amaterasu coming and teleport before it touches him, amaterasu is slower than raikage's fastest attack and since it a wide flame Minato will see it without looking at Itachi's eyes
your argument is invalid, tobi a man who dodged raikages attack by going invunerable couldn't dodge itachi's transcription amaterasu






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realize sasuke's amaterasu travels and itachi's doesn't

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THis is starting to sound very desperate now.
You're the one sounding desperate when you can't make a single argument against it. I brought real life HUMAN fact into the argument and all of you Itachi fanboys are scrambling. "How do I dispute pure scientific fact?" Sorry, your best argument fails at my point of peripheral vision. With that, he can see MS activate as well as any attack coming.
 

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If Minato can see raikage coming at him with his fastest attack and teleport in time then he can see amaterasu coming and teleport before it touches him, amaterasu is slower than raikage's fastest attack and since it a wide flame Minato will see it without looking at Itachi's eyes
Well the Amaterasu Itachi used, he just appear onto the body. Sasuke manipulate's his. Thats why people say his is better.

Remeber Itachi gave Sasuke his Amaterasu to use on Tobi. That was Itachi's. And Tobi was aware of the Amaterasu that was about to be used, yet he couldn't dodge it.
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Now it's funny how Tobi couldn't turn intangible in time to dodge Itachi's Amaterasu which he inplanted into Sasuke...........But Tobi was able to turn intangible fast enough to dodge Raikage's attack. And isn't Raikage suppose to be faster than Amaterasu?
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I donn't even know why we are arguing about amerterasu.

Minato still does not know to not look into itachi's eyes
Sounds desperate when you assume things like this. Your whole "Guy knew because Kakashi is his best friend!" can easily be turned into "Minato knew because Kakashi was his STUDENT!" So throw that argument out.
 

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Well the Amaterasu Itachi used, he just appear onto the body. Sasuke manipulate's his. Thats why people say his is better.

Remeber Itachi gave Sasuke his Amaterasu to use on Tobi. That was Itachi's. And Tobi was aware of the Amaterasu that was about to be used, yet he couldn't dodge it.
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Now it's funny how Tobi couldn't turn intangible in time to dodge Itachi's Amaterasu which he inplanted into Sasuke...........But Tobi was able to turn intangible fast enough to dodge Raikage's attack. And isn't Raikage suppose to be faster than Amaterasu?
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Tobi was at point blank range. He also wasn't in battle so his guard was down. And Tobi wouldn't be expecting it because Sasuke didn't have amaterasu yet.
 
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If minato looks into itachis eyes (which he will)

he loses

If minato looks at itachi's feat then he loses vs amereterasu
Even more desperate to assume that he will look into his eyes. Which is why Minato could watch his mouth or chest. Something that keeps Itachi's whole body in his vision.
 

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Tobi was at point blank range. He also wasn't in battle so his guard was down.
He wasen't in battle when he appeared at the summit. He had no intention of fighting. Neither when he was in front of Sasuke. And Raikage was at point blank range.

If u watch that video Owariji posted you'll see the The Amaterasu Itachi placed in Sasuke didn't travel in a linear motion. It just appeared where he was looking.
 

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He wasen't in battle when he appeared at the summit. He had no intention of fighting. Neither when he was in front of Sasuke. And Raikage was at point blank range.

If u watch that video Owariji posted you'll see the The Amaterasu Itachi placed in Sasuke didn't travel in a linear motion. It just appeared where he was looking.
He would have his guard up though because he was surrounded by enemies.

And okay, your point?
 

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Hm, nobody refered to my post.

Nilloc Uzumaki, the scores in the databooks are nothing but a guidance. Orochimaru isn't just intelligent (actually he was praised as a Genius by Konoha, even bevore his experiments), he also has 5 points at Genjutsu, the maximum. But still he couldn't do anything about Magen: Kasegui, a strong, paralyzing ilussion used with a mere Sharingan. And in the latest databook it's stated that eye contact is not required for that Genjutsu. It's activated by just looking at the enemy. It's also stated there that it doesn't only paralyze the enemy - it also creates physical pain. Yes, Tsukuyomi isn't the only Genjutsu that creates real Pain. And that's not the only Sharingan based Genjutsu which works that way. Kakashi used his not-as-good-as-Itachi's-Sharingan to make two members of Anbue Ne fall asleep the same time, by simply looking at them. I agree that Minato could escape 'normal' Genjutsu by teleporting himself far, far away with his Hiraishin no Jutsu. It's statet that Genjutsu only works in a certain range. But the moment he returns & gets too close to Itachi, he'll just be paralyzed again. Another great example is Madara like we saw him in chapter 560; he just looked at that guy with the big sword that was about to jump on him with his mere Sharingan, and as a result that dear was totally unable to move. You're really underestimating the Sharingan and its powerful ilussions, which can't be broken without a second chakra source. Yes, that's stated in the Scrolls of Sha, too.

That much about Itachi's 'normal' Genjutsu. Tsukuyomi was called the most powerful Genjutsu more than just one time, and that with a reason. Itachi controlls everything inside the world of the reading moon. Time and space, as well as the matter - everything is controlled by him inside that ilussion. So, since everything that happens inside Tsukuyomi only takes one second in reality, I don't see a chance for Minato to escape it with Hiraishin. The consequeces of Tsukuyomi should be clear; nobody can overcome 72 hours of pure pain & torture. And I really mean nobody. So, it's clear that Minato is done for if he looks into Itachi's eyes from a too close range. He can avoid eye contact, yes. But that makes it even more hard for him to fight Itachi, on top of that he can't 'predict' if Itachi is about to use Amaterasu. Anyway, how should he know about Tsukuyomi? Even if he would, eye contact can happen at any time, even unintended. Itachi can even project his eyes to one of his crows, so eye contact is not that much of a problem.
As I said, Nilloc Uzumaki, the skill-parameters are 'nothing' but a guidance. Kakuzu's parameters are way lower than Kakashi's, but still Kakuzu totally owned him, Ino & Choji.
 
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