Itachi vs Minato

[MinatoFLASH]

how the fk is minato supposed to get past his susano?

Doesn't need to.

Their most likely gonna be close, and if not Itachi has crows that can cast Genjutsu. Throwing a kunai isn't faster than Itachi's sharingan precognition. Oh and don't get angry bro lmao

Why wud they be close? FTG is wayy faster then his genjutsu, i told u he can even bilnd him if he needs too. I know Itachi can win tho but most likely won't right?

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

No Thats still minatos place.

Especially as the only person minato defeated was a weak imposter.
and he died while doing so.

Thank god you were banned, however I just want to point this out, Tobi wasn't weak and he died sealing the nine tails, not fighting tobi. Tobi fled because Minato defeated him.

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

Are people really trying to make the argument that Itachi was faster than Minato? LOL

All I need is one statement: Itachi admitted all he could do is fight Jiraiya to a stalemate. Minato is said to have been a more powerful shinobi than J-Man. Itachi and Minato are my favorite characters and I have to say, Minato wins.

 

[Owarij]

Are people really trying to make the argument that Itachi was faster than Minato? LOL

All I need is one statement: Itachi admitted all he could do is fight Jiraiya to a stalemate. Minato is said to have been a more powerful shinobi than J-Man. Itachi and Minato are my favorite characters and I have to say, Minato wins.

no, that statement can't be taken as truth...seeing that itachi was lieng to kisame, itachi did not want to fight anyone, itachi also said alot of things that arent true, i mean think for yourself, how is jiraya supposed to break susanno? how does he beat tsukyomi? or amaaterasu?

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

no, that statement can't be taken as truth...seeing that itachi was lieng to kisame, itachi did not want to fight anyone, itachi also said alot of things that arent true, i mean think for yourself, how is jiraya supposed to break susanno? how does he beat tsukyomi? or amaaterasu?

You are right, Itachi lies. But I doubt that he would be that timid unless he truly believed what he said. At that point, he didn't have any connection with Naruto so I don't see any reason for him to lie to get out of fighting Jiraiya so he can capture Naruto.

Susanoo takes massive amounts of chakra,something that Itachi lacks. There are ways you fight genjutsu, its not undefeatable. And people can avoid amaterasu. Jiraiya has techniques that are highly skillful as well. But lets switch to Minato.

Genjutsu(your tsukyomi argument): Minato being a once in a lifetime genius, he would be able to fight genjutsu, as well as recognize it and combat it.

Amaterasu: Minato is the fastest shinobi of all time, with the possible exception of Naruto, so if anyone can avoid it, it would be him. And multiple people have avoided it.

Don't get me wrong, it would be a great battle but I think Minato is just a shade better than Itachi. Itachi is probably my favorite character overall, but Minato has him. I may be wrong though, I just don't think I am.

 

[Amaterasu14]

You are right, Itachi lies. But I doubt that he would be that timid unless he truly believed what he said. At that point, he didn't have any connection with Naruto so I don't see any reason for him to lie to get out of fighting Jiraiya so he can capture Naruto.

Susanoo takes massive amounts of chakra,something that Itachi lacks. There are ways you fight genjutsu, its not undefeatable. And people can avoid amaterasu. Jiraiya has techniques that are highly skillful as well. But lets switch to Minato.

Genjutsu(your tsukyomi argument): Minato being a once in a lifetime genius, he would be able to fight genjutsu, as well as recognize it and combat it.

Amaterasu: Minato is the fastest shinobi of all time, with the possible exception of Naruto, so if anyone can avoid it, it would be him. And multiple people have avoided it.

Don't get me wrong, it would be a great battle but I think Minato is just a shade better than Itachi. Itachi is probably my favorite character overall, but Minato has him. I may be wrong though, I just don't think I am.

He didn't capture Naruto because, The 9 tails is last to be sealed.
And He loved the village, and was totally uninterested in capturing a Jinchuriki from the leaf. Akatsuki is gathering the beast for the wrong reasons, Itachi wasent with Nagato's objecive. He was only spying on the akatsuki. That explains why he captured NO tailed beasts.

And of course Itachi wud kill Jiraiya. He just didnt wanna kill anybody and didnt want a war to start. Thats why he spared Kakashi. And even tried to avoid Kurenai and Asuma, and told them to please dont interfere.

Think about it Kisame/Itachi vs Jiraiya inside the LEAF VILLAGE. lol Itachi isn't that stupid. He'd rather avoid all the trouble and war.

And ITachi wud probably beat Minato, with Genjutsu that dosent need eye contact, like the other guy said. And Minato hasent been shown to have a counter for Genjutsu. And escaping Tsukiyomi isn't an option since only Sasuke can escape Itachi's Tsukiyomi. Which is stated and proven.

 

[Owarij]

You are right, Itachi lies. But I doubt that he would be that timid unless he truly believed what he said. At that point, he didn't have any connection with Naruto so I don't see any reason for him to lie to get out of fighting Jiraiya so he can capture Naruto.

Susanoo takes massive amounts of chakra,something that Itachi lacks. There are ways you fight genjutsu, its not undefeatable. And people can avoid amaterasu. Jiraiya has techniques that are highly skillful as well. But lets switch to Minato.

Genjutsu(your tsukyomi argument): Minato being a once in a lifetime genius, he would be able to fight genjutsu, as well as recognize it and combat it.

Amaterasu: Minato is the fastest shinobi of all time, with the possible exception of Naruto, so if anyone can avoid it, it would be him. And multiple people have avoided it.

Don't get me wrong, it would be a great battle but I think Minato is just a shade better than Itachi. Itachi is probably my favorite character overall, but Minato has him. I may be wrong though, I just don't think I am.

dude you cant just say minato is a once in a lifetime genius.... minato is just as smart as shikmaru or itachi, that still does not show how he can beat tsukyomi, itachi's tsukyomi can only be broken by a uchiha with mastery of the eye, i'm sorry but like kakashi showed, no nija can stand psychological pain, 3weeks in 1 second will be enough to end him

 

[Paintachi]

i could be wrong, i often am, but i've conceived that minato lacks the feats to beat itachi, and feats are what the vs threads run on. Minato may be stronger in terms of author-intention, but i maintain that he is weaker in feats. And in feats, itachi is an absolute monster, truly rivaled only by nagato, kabuto, and tobi. Here is my take:

typically, you need special training to even have the option of fighting itachi on even ground. Minato has no feats of special training, doujutsu to see through genjutsu, or a tailed beast to break him out instantly.

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moreover, no character possesses the speed feats to touch healthy itachi one on one - even on even ground - given that current naruto and bee were unable to. Hiraishin is, of course, an exception, but given that bee countered it to an extent - itachi likely can as well.

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moreover, itachi has cloning feats to make hiraishin more difficult to use as a finisher. Can you imagine minato with a clone feat? He'd rule the battledome. Itachi x 2 is too much for most, like minato x 2 or madara x 2 would be. His karasu bunshin defeated post-wind naruto. Also, itachi’s kage bunshin explode, and the databook indicates that you need a special eye to tell that the bunshin is about to explode.

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however, avoiding itachi’s eyes isn’t enough. You have to avoid his fingers as well, and the eyes of his crow-summon, which has shisui’s sharingan, and can cast powerful sharingan genjutsu at itachi's discretion that crippled post-wind naruto. There are immeasurable opportunities for itachi to create an opening for his very fast attacks and jutsu.

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zetsu said that the requirement to break sharingan genjutsu was having a greater net-combination of genjutsu skill and eye power. Madara said itachi let sasuke out of his genjutsu: Sasuke didn’t have the mangekyō or more genjutsu skill. The databook, a source of canon, says that kais don't work, which makes since, as the med-nin genjutsu user, c, wouldn’t have been fodderized by sasuke’s genjutsu otherwise. Therefore, minato's ability to effectively counter genjutsu is more dubitable than itachi's ability to counter hiraishin, because even if he was a counter, he doesn't have a feat of having a counter.

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itachi is no longer a *****. He very clearly has much stronger endurance than when he was sick. He used several of his base and mangekyō techniques without fatiguing. We know that edos are

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immune to bodily fatigue. Look at his list of jutsu used against nagato and naruto, and realize that he didn't appear to be nearing his limit. He's a genius and a hard worker, so this shouldn't be surprising.

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to reiterate, i personally believe the author sees these two are equal, and am not impartial to the idea of minato being the victor in the author's mind, but in terms of deductive arguments based on feats, there is little room to argue that a speedster without a feat-counter against genjutsu can beat an illusionist with many feat-counters against speed. Thanks for you time, if i received it. Please read it over, think about it, and get back to me if you disagree with my examination of facts. As i said before, i have been wrong many times, and this may not be an exception.

lol pwnd ftw agreed 100% and i only readed the last lol.

 

[Splendid Ninja]

Doesn't need to.



Why wud they be close? FTG is wayy faster then his genjutsu, i told u he can even bilnd him if he needs too. I know Itachi can win tho but most likely won't right?

if i say tie would you agree?:flaw:

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

State your opinion or please don't say anything at all, and prove that Minato 'fanboys' are just annoying cuz they have facts

because they make fake interview that stated minato is the strongest from all the dead character that's why

 

[Red Slayer]

minato

 

[TrollingSage]

The fact of the matter is both of these characters can win depending on the situation. Tsukoyomi is the only feat we know minato cant counter(he doesnt have SM, but it may be plausible). Itachi on the other hand cant counter his s/t.
The fight will depend on if itachi can just get him with gen, and if he fails, can susano be teleported to say a volcano(we know susano stand on a battle surface) , in which case itach will waste chakra to repair.
Bottomline, both hav a chance but it depends mainly on Minato ability to counter gen.

 

[Cyborg]

This is really stupid. People will say i'm a minato fanboy after i defended him in the last thread so lemme say straight up: Itachi's probably my fav character in Naruto and i like him a lot more than Minato as he's an unsung hero. At the end of the fight Minato will without doubt acknowledge him as an amazing shinobi, but Itachi would have lost.
Itachi said himself that Tobi(the masked man who Itachi called Madara) was his teacher, that means he taught him all about the sharingan, etc. Well the masked man was pwned by minato as we all know so there's not much else to say then.

 

[captainEO]

This is really stupid. People will say i'm a minato fanboy after i defended him in the last thread so lemme say straight up: Itachi's probably my fav character in Naruto and i like him a lot more than Minato as he's an unsung hero. At the end of the fight Minato will without doubt acknowledge him as an amazing shinobi, but Itachi would have lost.
Itachi said himself that Tobi(the masked man who Itachi called Madara) was his teacher, that means he taught him all about the sharingan, etc. Well the masked man was pwned by minato as we all know so there's not much else to say then.

That's poor reasoning. There's so much wrong with that statement

 

[~Uzumaki~]

I could be wrong, I often am, but I've conceived that Minato lacks the feats to beat Itachi, and feats are what the VS threads run on. Minato may be stronger in terms of author-intention, but I maintain that he is weaker in feats. And in feats, Itachi is an absolute monster, truly rivaled only by Nagato, Kabuto, and Tobi. Here is my take:

Typically, you need special training to even have the option of fighting Itachi on even ground. Minato has no feats of special training, doujutsu to see through genjutsu, or a tailed beast to break him out instantly.

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Moreover, no character possesses the speed feats to touch healthy Itachi one on one - even on even ground - given that current Naruto and Bee were unable to. Hiraishin is, of course, an exception, but given that Bee countered it to an extent - Itachi likely can as well.

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Moreover, Itachi has cloning feats to make Hiraishin more difficult to use as a finisher. Can you imagine Minato with a clone feat? He'd rule the Battledome. Itachi x 2 is too much for most, like Minato x 2 or Madara x 2 would be. His Karasu Bunshin defeated post-wind Naruto. Also, Itachi’s Kage Bunshin explode, and the databook indicates that you need a special eye to tell that the bunshin is about to explode.

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However, avoiding Itachi’s eyes isn’t enough. You have to avoid his fingers as well, and the eyes of his crow-summon, which has Shisui’s Sharingan, and can cast powerful Sharingan genjutsu at Itachi's discretion that crippled post-wind Naruto. There are immeasurable opportunities for Itachi to create an opening for his very fast attacks and jutsu.

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Zetsu said that the requirement to break Sharingan genjutsu was having a greater net-combination of genjutsu skill and eye power. Madara said Itachi let Sasuke out of his genjutsu: Sasuke didn’t have the Mangekyō or more genjutsu skill. The databook, a source of canon, says that Kais don't work, which makes since, as the med-nin genjutsu user, C, wouldn’t have been fodderized by Sasuke’s genjutsu otherwise. Therefore, Minato's ability to effectively counter genjutsu is more dubitable than Itachi's ability to counter Hiraishin, because even if he was a counter, he doesn't have a feat of having a counter.

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Itachi is no longer a *****. He very clearly has much stronger endurance than when he was sick. He used several of his base and Mangekyō techniques without fatiguing. We know that Edos are

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immune to bodily fatigue. Look at his list of jutsu used against Nagato and Naruto, and realize that he didn't appear to be nearing his limit. He's a genius and a hard worker, so this shouldn't be surprising.

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To reiterate, I personally believe the author sees these two are equal, and am not impartial to the idea of Minato being the victor in the author's mind, but in terms of deductive arguments based on feats, there is little room to argue that a speedster without a feat-counter against genjutsu can beat an illusionist with many feat-counters against speed. Thanks for you time, if I received it. Please read it over, think about it, and get back to me if you disagree with my examination of facts. As I said before, I have been wrong many times, and this may not be an exception.

I don't seem him countering the flying thunder god technique. First of all, this isnt a fight that is happening, we assume that the characters will take actions that we know they are able to by manga proof to attack and counter their enemies so I'm going to write something right now.
How Minato Will Counter Itachi's Genjutsu
1. By not looking into his eyes-This is Sharingan 101, Chiyo knew this and it gave her victory against the Sharingan user she fought in her time, Onoki knew this and it kept him alive against even Uchiha Madara and this info allowed Naruto and Gaara to couter Madara's EMS

2. By teleporting away when he's caught in it-While one is caught in a genjutsu, they can still use ninja techniques, for example, the third hokage preparing Shiki Fuujin while under the genjutsu of darkness, Deidara about to blow himself up and Itachi being unable to use genjutsu to stop him, Shikamaru being able to use his shadow technique while in Tayuya's genjutsu, Deidara using C4 while caught under Sasuke's genjutsu. So, the Fourth Hokage should be able to use Hiraishin to teleport away.

3. By throwing Kunai while out of Itachi's range of genjutsu. The Flying Thunder God Technique is an all ranges technique whereas Itachi's genjutsu are all short ranged, I checked it so Minato can take control of the battlefield while outside Itachi's range of genjutsu

4. Having a toad of Gamakichi's size on his shoulders to break it for him.

5. By breaking it himself-I've never heard that this wont work, I get my off screen information from Naruto wiki, theif info is source from Databooks and manga and Anime and they've never mentioned it.

 

[Owarij]

I don't seem him countering the flying thunder god technique. First of all, this isnt a fight that is happening, we assume that the characters will take actions that we know they are able to by manga proof to attack and counter their enemies so I'm going to write something right now.
How Minato Will Counter Itachi's Genjutsu
1. By not looking into his eyes-This is Sharingan 101, Chiyo knew this and it gave her victory against the Sharingan user she fought in her time, Onoki knew this and it kept him alive against even Uchiha Madara and this info allowed Naruto and Gaara to couter Madara's EMS

2. By teleporting away when he's caught in it-While one is caught in a genjutsu, they can still use ninja techniques, for example, the third hokage preparing Shiki Fuujin while under the genjutsu of darkness, Deidara about to blow himself up and Itachi being unable to use genjutsu to stop him, Shikamaru being able to use his shadow technique while in Tayuya's genjutsu, Deidara using C4 while caught under Sasuke's genjutsu. So, the Fourth Hokage should be able to use Hiraishin to teleport away.

3. By throwing Kunai while out of Itachi's range of genjutsu. The Flying Thunder God Technique is an all ranges technique whereas Itachi's genjutsu are all short ranged, I checked it so Minato can take control of the battlefield while outside Itachi's range of genjutsu

4. Having a toad of Gamakichi's size on his shoulders to break it for him.

5. By breaking it himself-I've never heard that this wont work, I get my off screen information from Naruto wiki, theif info is source from Databooks and manga and Anime and they've never mentioned it.

you can't just teleport away when you're in a genjutsu

 

[MinatoFLASH]

no no no sasuke uses a different amatersau, enton blaze release that travels,itachi's amaterasu instantly appears on w.e he shoots at , if you're escaping itachi's eye sight it will follow you untill he locks on...


whatever the user focuses on, it materializes there





?? that makes no sense, minato saw A dissapear and then used his ftg to escape, he wont be seeing amaterasu, it instantly appears on you, and he is not looking at his eyes

Itachi's amatarasu was almost dodged by Sasuke and Sasuke's black flames were said to be better, if anything is different then Sasuke's is faster, also Minato cud easily ftg that amatarasu of Itachi, look even Sasuke almost ran away! itachi cud keep trying to lock on all he wants but what good will it do if he just keeps using kunais to ftg, also Itachi will be running out of chakra very fast trying to aim his amatarasu! And ur theory of how his amatarasu stays on u until it locks on is wrong because u can see it was Itachi that was making it lock on, and what if while Itachi is making it lock on then Minato cud just teleport to him and what he burns himself? Well then Minato cud teleport back right when its within .1 ft away from Itachi and him. Also what if Minato just uses a flash jutsu the one he used to get near the fox for sealing, he cud use this on Itachi then ftg kill him.

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or just ftg kill from the beginning, Itachi won't use susanoo if he doesn't expect a man to pop out of the kunai within .000000000000001 sec.

if i say tie would you agree?:flaw:

I already won this debate, not kado or anyone had the reply to my comment so no Minato wins but i wud admit Itachi has his chances.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

you can't just teleport away when you're in a genjutsu

if deidara could use a tech, shikamaru could use a tech, 3rd Hokage could use a tech then definitely Minato can use a tech.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

because they make fake interview that stated minato is the strongest from all the dead character that's why

I'm not so sure that interview is fake cuz it also said Kishi has a suprise plan for Kisame and that was shown and it is very Kishi to say that the Third is the greatest Hokage since Iruka said he was Konoha's greatest Hokage in his time and the greatest of the Five Kage and after analysing Minato, the man that takes out battalions in the blink of an eye, the only known shinobi who has flee on sight orders on his head, I'd say he shares the no 1 spot with him, even the third had to use his technique against the two hokage and defeated them.

 

[Owarij]

no use fighting with fanboys, who think you can just ftg out of tsukyomi, no matter where you go, you're still going to experience the days of pain , and then die , fail logic, try again