Itachi vs Nagato

[Turson]

We have no clue on how heavy a complete Susano'o is

Considering that Raiton armor is just heavy concentration of Rainton chakra, and how fast A can move with it I dont think Susanoo is heavier than Gamabunta.

Besides Deva has a 5-second interval, which he can easily be Amaterasu'ed within tha time, OR Sealed with the Totsuku Blade, Or hit with Itachi's long-range technique Yata matagami.

Actually, 5 seconds is very short period of time. Kakshi could only make any use of it with support of other strong shinobis.

 

[khaydz5]

We have no clue on how heavy a complete Susano'o is. So it's not safe to say, it'll be pushed back like a peice of trash. So that Shinra Tensei he used on the Frogs, may result diffrent when used on a Susano'o. Besides Deva has a 5-second interval, which he can easily be Amaterasu'ed within tha time, OR Sealed with the Totsuku Blade, Or hit with Itachi's long-range technique Yata matagami.

you seriously think susanoo is heavy? lol

its a chakra not a physical object that have weight. and I don't think that itachi is heavier than those 3 huge frogs. lol

again even if shinra tensei is in its interval, nagato can use other paths to defend/ attack. that 5 sec is not a prob.

 

[Amaterasu14]

Considering that Raiton armor is just heavy concentration of Rainton chakra, and how fast A can move with it I dont think Susanoo is heavier than Gamabunta.

Susano'o is probably an even HEAVIER concetration of chakra, than raition armor. Just look at Itachi appeareance when he saved bee....

Actually, 5 seconds is very short period of time. Kakshi could only make any use of it with support of other strong shinobis.

Susano'o > Choza & Choji.

Yata matagama can reach him within 5-seconds.
Amaterasu will definatly catch him within 5-seconds.
Of course Genjutsu can.... hell even a Kunai can.

 

[Amaterasu14]

you seriously think susanoo is heavy? lol

its a chakra not a physical object that have weight. and I don't think that itachi is heavier than those 3 huge frogs. lol

again even if shinra tensei is in its interval, nagato can use other paths to defend/ attack. that 5 sec is not a prob.

This looks pretty heavy....and It's not even the "complete version".

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[khaydz5]

We have no clue on how heavy a complete Susano'o is. So it's not safe to say, it'll be pushed back like a peice of trash. So that Shinra Tensei he used on the Frogs, may result diffrent when used on a Susano'o. Besides Deva has a 5-second interval, which he can easily be Amaterasu'ed within tha time, OR Sealed with the Totsuku Blade, Or hit with Itachi's long-range technique Yata matagami.

Susano'o is probably an even HEAVIER concetration of chakra, than raition armor. Just look at Itachi appeareance when he saved bee....


Susano'o > Choza & Choji.

Yata matagama can reach him within 5-seconds.
Amaterasu will definatly catch him within 5-seconds.
Of course Genjutsu can.... hell even a Kunai can.

LOL chakra is heavy !! really?? haha. CT pulled it up with ease.. hmmm. trees ripped off the ground when nagato used shinra.. hmmm

yes magatama, amaterasu can reach nagato within 5 sec but the question is can itachi react after thrown away within 5sec.. keep in mind it also takes time for tiachi to cast those jutsu.

btw this is not itachi vs shinra tensei its vs nagato. I don't get this people arguing about just shinra tensei

you think its game over if itachi manages to attack within 5sec?? hell NO! nagato can still absorb those attacks! so fail. is it clear now?!.


the page you shown unless you don't get it.. it doesnt signify any weight in it.. its really funny on how itachi fanboys gives reasons. really sounded ridiculous.

 

[Turson]

Susano'o is probably an even HEAVIER concetration of chakra, than raition armor.

Althugh I doubt if its heavier than any of three big frogs.

Yata matagama can reach him within 5-seconds.

First, Itachi have to prepare Yasakas magatma, then it have to travell all way to Nagato.

Amaterasu will definatly catch him within 5-seconds.

Nagato can use absorption jutsu. Moreover, I doubt if he has any any interval between using his gravitation techniques - Pain is different matter.

Of course Genjutsu can....

Genjutsus are short to medium, not long range techniques.

 

[Amaterasu14]

LOL chakra is heavy !! really?? haha. CT pulled it up with ease.. hmmm. trees ripped off the ground when nagato used shinra.. hmmm

yes magatama, amaterasu can reach nagato within 5 sec but the question is can itachi react after thrown away within 5sec.. keep in mind it also takes time for tiachi to cast those jutsu.

btw this is not itachi vs shinra tensei its vs nagato. I don't get this people arguing about just shinra tensei

you think its game over if itachi manages to attack within 5sec?? hell NO! nagato can still absorb those attacks! so fail. is it clear now?!

Susano'o Is heavy. Look again. He shattered the ground. It's just that CT is strong enough to pick it up. That dosen't mean Susano'o isn't heavy enough to endure a Shinra Tensei.

You think he would have time to absorb Amaterasu. After he uses Shinra Tensei, he has to wait 5 seconds before he can use another technique. So he'll be vulnerable for Amaterasu and especially Genjutsu which he'll always be vulnerable to throughout the whole battle.

Incase you hadn't noticed, Genjutsu basically disables the victim to use Ninjutsu, or Taijutsu. Since it can paraylize your body (Itachi did to Orochimaru). Or make you see illusions, without you even noticeing like Sasuke did Danzou, and Itachi did Deidara. Ninjutsu is useless when you're seeing everything the user wants you to see. And feeling everything the user wants you to feel.

Nagato's physical attacks (Ninjutsu) is useless when inside of a Genjutsu. (Especially Tsukiyomi). Which he cannot break since he dosen't posses the tool, nor Itachi bloodline. Like Sasuke does. And theres no way you can beat Itachi while looking at his feet, or closing you eyes. He's already to tough to beat with your eyes open, so closing your eyes while fighting a Ninja with his intelligence and efficeny with jutsu is almost suicide. Even if Nagato COULD escape a Genjutsu, it would take too much time, you have to concetrate your chakra, which would be nearly impossible, while getting stabbed, or tortured in ANY Genjutsu, not just Tsukiyomi. (As seen with Naruto, when he tried to escape. ) I gotta say Genjutsu > Nagato.
I only see the paths beating Itachi, but NOT Nagato.

 

[AbukariDogMan]

Nagato takes this am convinced now. the only chance itachi has is to seal him,. but shinra tensei will take care of that since nagato cant dodge due to his immobility. if he can move normally then he will have human paths speed and taijutsu prowes.

 

[khaydz5]

Susano'o Is heavy. Look again. He shattered the ground. It's just that CT is strong enough to pick it up. That dosen't mean Susano'o isn't heavy enough to endure a Shinra Tensei.

You think he would have time to absorb Amaterasu. After he uses Shinra Tensei, he has to wait 5 seconds before he can use another technique. So he'll be vulnerable for Amaterasu and especially Genjutsu which he'll always be vulnerable to throughout the whole battle.

Incase you hadn't noticed, Genjutsu basically disables the victim to use Ninjutsu, or Taijutsu. Since it can paraylize your body (Itachi did to Orochimaru). Or make you see illusions, without you even noticeing like Sasuke did Danzou, and Itachi did Deidara. Ninjutsu is useless when you're seeing everything the user wants you to see. And feeling everything the user wants you to feel.

Nagato's physical attacks (Ninjutsu) is useless when inside of a Genjutsu. (Especially Tsukiyomi). Which he cannot break since he dosen't posses the tool, nor Itachi bloodline. Like Sasuke does. And theres no way you can beat Itachi while looking at his feet, or closing you eyes. He's already to tough to beat with your eyes open, so closing your eyes while fighting a Ninja with his intelligence and efficeny with jutsu is almost suicide. Even if Nagato COULD escape a Genjutsu, it would take too much time, you have to concetrate your chakra, which would be nearly impossible, while getting stabbed, or tortured in ANY Genjutsu, not just Tsukiyomi. (As seen with Naruto, when he tried to escape. ) I gotta say Genjutsu > Nagato.
I only see the paths beating Itachi, but NOT Nagato.

LOL ground received some scratches.. raikage with raiton armor would do the same to the ground when in that motion aswell. the HUGE FROGS would have done much more.. Im to lazy to show to you some clips of shinra tensei, I see now that you severely lack knowledge of nagato.

it only takes this one part (bold part)to make all your arguments FAIL. I greately suggest that you reread manga and understand every details of it.

as for your other points go read all of my post here coz I already discussed how nagato can counter genjutsu.

 

[Mark Uzumaki]

Why are people treating the six paths as a person differnet than Nagato ?
The six paths of pain is a jutsu , why shouldn't Nagato use it to overcome Tsukyomi ( dead bodies,doesn't feel pain ) & in the end we will say ( Nagato overcome Tsukyomi using the six paths , not the Six paths overcome Tsukyomi )

I can't say Itachi without susanoo , because Susanoo isn't a different person than Itachi , it's his jutsu. The same can be said about Nagato .

 

[MinatoFLASH]

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It takes a lot of chakra and he cannot keep it up for long and not to mention it won't protect him from CT.

 

[Amaterasu14]

LOL ground received some scratches.. raikage with raiton armor would do the same to the ground when in that motion aswell. the HUGE FROGS would have done much more.. Im to lazy to show to you some clips of shinra tensei, I see now that you severely lack knowledge of nagato.

it only takes this one part (bold part)to make all your arguments FAIL. I greately suggest that you reread manga and understand every details of it.

as for your other points go read all of my post here coz I already discussed how nagato can counter genjutsu.

Counter Genjutsu.?! LMAO WTF?! now that was a fail. He's already been in a Genjutsu lol. xd

 

[khaydz5]

Counter Genjutsu.?! LMAO WTF?! now that was a fail. He's already been in a Genjutsu lol. xd

you're laughing without reading it.. what did I say on how nagato acn counter genjutsu? post it and give me your points about it,

and I see I gave you several points but you only reacted to the genjutsu part.. that only means you cannot argue anymore after reading my explanation thus making my reason valid. now after you read my previous post about how nagato can counter it give me your reason why was it not gonna work

 

[Lankeysob]

I don't even know why this is still an argument, Nagato takes this hands down. His Shinra Tensei are 7 times stronger than they were when he was using the 6 paths. Remember when he removed his chakra and put it all into the Deva Path and demolished Konoha? All Nagato has to do is close his eyes and Shinra Tensei and Itachi is dead.

 

[lanakau888]

Since the last chapter clearly shows that Rinnegan>EMS>MS, it is just more evidence that points to the fact that nagato, or even the six paths of pain is the clear winner here.

 

[khaydz5]

Since the last chapter clearly shows that Rinnegan>EMS>MS, it is just more evidence that points to the fact that nagato, or even the six paths of pain is the clear winner here.

true..threads like this should be closed for eternity. Im tired of debating with this itachi fans,lol.

I hope this settles it. but first I would like to hear whats their opinion regarding this.

 

[itachi49]

rinnegan > mangekyou
end of discution.

 

[khaydz5]

how to counter susanoo of itachi with yata mirror and totsuka sword:

nagato will bansho tenin the butt of itachi out of his susanoo. LOL

 

[Paintachi]

Dont think about jutsu and encountering bla bla bla
if you watched itachi,naruto,b against Nagato.

Your brain would understand in seconds that the manga maker(kishi)
wants to show people that itachi IS stronger.

He saved naru and b ass
then came with plan and blinded that thing of nagato.
if you dont agree with above then you are a big dickrider or hater.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

rinnegan > Itachi

there is a clear power difference an idi.ot can see it or maybe not looking at some comments and stop saying genjutu and its over because you can counter all genjutu yes all even tsyukami because if the sharringan can see through it and the rinnegan is the final step take a guess wether genjutu would work