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Re: tobi is obito
Oh yeah i just looked at the episode sorry you were right. But had the battle continued where they were she would have died in the rampage of two beasts.
Re: tobi is obito
Very true! People always say in a anti-Obito argument that his right side including his face got crushed completely... if that was the case I'd like to know how he was still able to talk afterwards... But then he got completely crushed by the rock slide. We don't see him die for sure which is why I refrain from trashing and flaming people with that theory, but I am highly against it
Let him make theories and support it, after all it is his right
You are one to talk...
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Re: tobi is obito
I just don't think he would turn bad. Kakashi refers to him as similar to Naruto in many of the movies. So i can't think that someone that good would turn bad.Very true! People always say in a anti-Obito argument that his right side including his face got crushed completely... if that was the case I'd like to know how he was still able to talk afterwards... But then he got completely crushed by the rock slide. We don't see him die for sure which is why I refrain from trashing and flaming people with that theory, but I am highly against it
Let him make theories and support it, after all it is his right
You are one to talk...
Re: Poll for the man behind the mask lets see if NB gets it right
This my first post, so I'd like to take the time to say "Hello, Narutobase."
Now that that's out of the way, my current theory(s) are as follows:
1) I'd consider Tobimara to be a considerable possibility as to the "Man Behind the Mask." Who is he exactly? Well, the Second Hokage. It's "legend" that he assisted his brother in fighting Uchiha Madara in the Valley of the End. It's entirely possible for him to have turned his back on his brother in one way or another and for him to have also gained Uchiha's eyes in the process, all in one single swoop. The name "Tobi" is also within his name, which Zetsu has called him many times before, and was his alias before he considered himself Madara. Also, the fact that his eyes always remained in Sharingan form gives evidence that they are not his. It could have also been possible that he had gained the Sharingan before his battle along side his brother and after they defeated Madara, Tobimara killed his brother while he was weakened. This would have given him access to the MS. Unfortunetly,it doesn't do much in the case of the EMS, but different scenarios could have unfolded under one general plan that ended in the gaining of EMS. His age would support how knowledgeable "Tobi" is so far in the manga and the connection he has to many different characters.
2) Madara's younger brother, Izuna. This one is pretty straight forward and doesn't require too much out of the box thinking. But possible none the less.
3) It "is" madara, but not his physical body. More or less the physical embodiment of his chakra. Making him not yet "complete," as he stated he wasn't often in the manga.
4) A completely new character in whom's story will unfold as the manga goes on. This is the least likely, as Kishi still has many characters he hasn't fully developed yet which begs the question, "Why another?" Which supports the first 2 theories.. them being 2 people of the manga in which their backstory is vague and is sure to unfold by the close of the manga.
This my first post, so I'd like to take the time to say "Hello, Narutobase."
Now that that's out of the way, my current theory(s) are as follows:
1) I'd consider Tobimara to be a considerable possibility as to the "Man Behind the Mask." Who is he exactly? Well, the Second Hokage. It's "legend" that he assisted his brother in fighting Uchiha Madara in the Valley of the End. It's entirely possible for him to have turned his back on his brother in one way or another and for him to have also gained Uchiha's eyes in the process, all in one single swoop. The name "Tobi" is also within his name, which Zetsu has called him many times before, and was his alias before he considered himself Madara. Also, the fact that his eyes always remained in Sharingan form gives evidence that they are not his. It could have also been possible that he had gained the Sharingan before his battle along side his brother and after they defeated Madara, Tobimara killed his brother while he was weakened. This would have given him access to the MS. Unfortunetly,it doesn't do much in the case of the EMS, but different scenarios could have unfolded under one general plan that ended in the gaining of EMS. His age would support how knowledgeable "Tobi" is so far in the manga and the connection he has to many different characters.
2) Madara's younger brother, Izuna. This one is pretty straight forward and doesn't require too much out of the box thinking. But possible none the less.
3) It "is" madara, but not his physical body. More or less the physical embodiment of his chakra. Making him not yet "complete," as he stated he wasn't often in the manga.
4) A completely new character in whom's story will unfold as the manga goes on. This is the least likely, as Kishi still has many characters he hasn't fully developed yet which begs the question, "Why another?" Which supports the first 2 theories.. them being 2 people of the manga in which their backstory is vague and is sure to unfold by the close of the manga.
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Re: tobi is obito
In my opinion he should have just let Chouji get owned lol Kakashi is way more important.He did. He died a true hero
BoNaFiDeChAmPlOo
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Re: Who is the man behind the mask???
I agree it was said that he obtained the 1st Hokages cells allowing him to regenerate, so he probably did die but was able to pull off the jutsu to recover from the dead thus making him somewhat of a undead but probably a soulless one.
Re: Poll for the man behind the mask lets see if NB gets it right
Its def. NO uchiha. And it IS a person called Nagato! Do everybody forgets what the FIRST words of Madara were?
"finally...That little brat Nagato"
He expects a person with the rinnengan to ressurect him! Dont forget this! All the theories about Izuna, or even Obito doesnt make sense because of THIS sentence!
madara KNOWS a person Nagato with the rinnengan.
So there are 2 possibilities:
1) Madara was killed by the first and the person he calls "Nagato" is another character, TOBI! This person COULD be a strong relative of the so6p.
2) Madara were NOT killed by the first, and lived up to the day, our Nagato was born.
problem with that: madara is ressurected and he def. doesnt look like over 100 years old, but more than around the age, where he fought against the first.
3) Tobi is able to control the rinnengan instantly! And even without any chakra connectors! So my guess is, he already used the rinnengan before! Thats why he said: he gave Nagato the eyes!
Combining everything leads to:
Tobi = a person with the rinnengan, who stole the eyes of madara when he was killed by the first. But AFTER the death of madara.
Thats why he says: the power of the uchiha.. my power... madara uchihas power.
Thats why he always is talking in 3rd person of himself, because he owns the eyes of madara, he feels like beeing madara.
But: he had the rinnengan before getting madaras eyes.
So who is the man behind the mask:
a new character, but NOT that new.
What about the others:
Izuna is def. dead... furthermore, he was as tall as madara, and Tobi is kind of weak and small.
Obito? Come on... Tobi attacked the HLeaf, and was as tall as he is now... how old was Obito back then? 13? 14?
kagami? An unknown character. I dont think that kishi would bring such a mess...
The most important fact is:
Madara knows a person called NAGATO!
Madara expects a person called NAGATO to bring him back
Madara is surprised that Edo brought him back
-> he expects Nagato to ressurect him with the Rinnengan!!!
---> Nagato owns the Rinnengan
Its def. NO uchiha. And it IS a person called Nagato! Do everybody forgets what the FIRST words of Madara were?
"finally...That little brat Nagato"
He expects a person with the rinnengan to ressurect him! Dont forget this! All the theories about Izuna, or even Obito doesnt make sense because of THIS sentence!
madara KNOWS a person Nagato with the rinnengan.
So there are 2 possibilities:
1) Madara was killed by the first and the person he calls "Nagato" is another character, TOBI! This person COULD be a strong relative of the so6p.
2) Madara were NOT killed by the first, and lived up to the day, our Nagato was born.
problem with that: madara is ressurected and he def. doesnt look like over 100 years old, but more than around the age, where he fought against the first.
3) Tobi is able to control the rinnengan instantly! And even without any chakra connectors! So my guess is, he already used the rinnengan before! Thats why he said: he gave Nagato the eyes!
Combining everything leads to:
Tobi = a person with the rinnengan, who stole the eyes of madara when he was killed by the first. But AFTER the death of madara.
Thats why he says: the power of the uchiha.. my power... madara uchihas power.
Thats why he always is talking in 3rd person of himself, because he owns the eyes of madara, he feels like beeing madara.
But: he had the rinnengan before getting madaras eyes.
So who is the man behind the mask:
a new character, but NOT that new.
What about the others:
Izuna is def. dead... furthermore, he was as tall as madara, and Tobi is kind of weak and small.
Obito? Come on... Tobi attacked the HLeaf, and was as tall as he is now... how old was Obito back then? 13? 14?
kagami? An unknown character. I dont think that kishi would bring such a mess...
The most important fact is:
Madara knows a person called NAGATO!
Madara expects a person called NAGATO to bring him back
Madara is surprised that Edo brought him back
-> he expects Nagato to ressurect him with the Rinnengan!!!
---> Nagato owns the Rinnengan
Re: Poll for the man behind the mask lets see if NB gets it right
Well welcome to the base and about your first theory i will say the same thing as before...
Tobirama was also sometime back summoned using IWR by orochimaru meaning he had already transpired to the soul state since IWR resurrects your dead soul so its highly unlikely...
Well welcome to the base and about your first theory i will say the same thing as before...
Tobirama was also sometime back summoned using IWR by orochimaru meaning he had already transpired to the soul state since IWR resurrects your dead soul so its highly unlikely...
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Re: tobi is obito
Yeah Kakashi should have just played dead and let Chouji die. Lol i love how Guys team was just chilling outside the village the whole attack. Well not outside but nearby.xd Vital information>Kakashi>Chouji
Love this though !!!
Re: solving of breaking the mask of tobi 100% spoiler
Not only that but look at the time frame of everything, if Obito was indeed Tobi, how would he have developed enough resources, ie personal skill and connections to the hidden leaf and enough knowledge of how events would be played out, in the time of his "death" to the first point of the attack of on the Hidden Leaf using the 9-tailed fox, at which time Kakashi shown with the other jounin is roughly 18-24 in age some where, probably 4-5 years after Obito's "death" and Obito is going to be around the same age as Kakashi. You are telling me he surpasses Kakashi and comes up with this grand plan ivolving nation wide tailed beasts and resurrected the Juubi all starting with the attack on the Hidden Leaf.
I'm waiting for you to say something semi intelligent, this is getting pretty boring, your logic is so faulted, how do you even wake up in the morning.
That is completely untrue, it never once states or is proven that his Space-Time ninjutsu is ocular based, and technically in the series Kakashi is the only known ninja with Ocular Space-Time ninjutsu directly through his MS. Yes it shows his dimensional transfers happening through the hole in his mask but that's hardly enough to say the transfers are directly ocular, if so it would happen in both eyes and would have a dual effect, or so I could say using the same logic as you anyway.no, the right eye.
transplant of eye is possible.
btw, sharingan of obito and tobi where the only have unique ability of space/time nin.
Not only that but look at the time frame of everything, if Obito was indeed Tobi, how would he have developed enough resources, ie personal skill and connections to the hidden leaf and enough knowledge of how events would be played out, in the time of his "death" to the first point of the attack of on the Hidden Leaf using the 9-tailed fox, at which time Kakashi shown with the other jounin is roughly 18-24 in age some where, probably 4-5 years after Obito's "death" and Obito is going to be around the same age as Kakashi. You are telling me he surpasses Kakashi and comes up with this grand plan ivolving nation wide tailed beasts and resurrected the Juubi all starting with the attack on the Hidden Leaf.
I'm waiting for you to say something semi intelligent, this is getting pretty boring, your logic is so faulted, how do you even wake up in the morning.
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EmperorIssun
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Re: Stop Playing the Tobi Guessing Game
I think Madara is just an alias not Tobi. I think he just used the name Madara to manipulate people. But iunno
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