Flying Thunder God Technique not all it's cracked up to be

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yeah i totally agree with u 100%. I really cant say anything more. u said it all. Up till now the only character who has never been defeated and has never lost a battle is Uchiha Itachi. He is the only character in the series who never "fought for hsi life". Making him the only undefeated character in the entire series. other than our friend SO6P lol. regardless minato did lose. Minato did infact "fight for his life". In the end he ended up dying and being defeated. U may say he had a plan! and he did it on purpose! but let me ask u this. Wouldnt he have preferred staying alive with kushina instead? and with naruto? so he really didnt get what he wanted out of that fight. Thus he was defeated. He had to kill himself to do what he needed to do. Its sad but true. He was great and all. But unbeatable is far from reality. His FTG is beatable. People always say susanoo can be beaten. But they say FTG cant. In reality somehow everything can be beaten. Itachi always says that every jutsu and every shinobi has a weak point. The weak points stated by the thread maker are extremely valid. all of them. even the "unbeatable" chibaku tensei was easily taken down once the weak point was established. its not always as easy but everything has that vital spot that can change everything. ok thanks for reading this guys. And have a good day
another good point made, and thanks btw
 
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The last argumentposts are brilliant.

I hope this discussion will end now. That we dont know the FTGs weakpoint, doesnt mean that there is none.

Facid:
FTG is strong, but not unbeatable. All pleased?
 

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The last argumentposts are brilliant.

1. I hope this discussion will end now. That 2. we dont know the FTGs weakpoint, doesnt mean that there is none.

Facid:
FTG is strong, but not unbeatable. All pleased?
1. That's not for you to decide
2. Yes we do, I've listed several. Keep in mind that my list is in no way comprehensive

You like Minato, that's fine, I like him too. But don't bring bias to this discussion.

The truth hurts sometimes. I know...

You must learn to argue objectively.
 

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FTG is fast, extremely defensive and extremely offensive, a tech truly worthy of a Kage, its weakness is that seals must be placed unlike Madara's tech but very few can stop a shinobi from throwing kunai, thats why it seems so awesome. I agree that its not invincible. It is reminiscent of Pains gravitational abilities, it has a weakness than cannot be easily exploited.
 

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There are two levels to FTG:

Level 1
Teleportation to a stationary object in the form of either a kunai or marked seal

Level 2
Teleportation to a moving object that is either a travelling kunai or a marked opponent

However, there are two glaring issues:

Kunai can be blocked

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(I know the picture shows shuriken but the point is still the same)
This is to:
  1. Stop Minato from teleporting near you
  2. Create a distance between you and Minato so as to severely limit his speed
Granted he won't throw the kunai , but you can still thwart the path of the ones headed towards you. And stop them from landing behind you. This way you'd only need to be cautious of attacks originating in front of you

You can prepare a defense
Ex.
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This is to:
  1. Avoid being tagged
  2. Defend against an attacking kunai or Rasengan
You can anticipate
  1. FTG requires hand seal(s) - so monitor his hands and react accordingly
  2. He'd obviously attempt to teleport to the kunai closest to you
Also:
  1. FTG comes with a cost. It still eats your chakra
  2. Minato has a limited supply of kunai
In addition (this is extra, you don't have to read it):
Highest ranking jutsu
Their use is quite self-explanatory
  • Izanagi
  • Susano’o
  • Amaterasu
  • Shinra tensei

Low-class ninjutsu

High-class ninjutsu
Shadow Clone Jutsu
Uses:
  1. Diversionary tactic
Wind affinity
High-level Wind technique- use is quite self-explanatory - scatter away kunai

Earth affinity

Water affinity

Medical ninjutsu/Healing

Taijutsu

To paralyze/disable:
i.e. disable his body – a leg(s) or arm(s)

  • Poison – Sasori

Match his speed or reflexes
(To react to his movement i.e. to react quickly enough to dodge his strike when he reappears after teleporting)

  1. Gate release
  2. Lightning Armour technique
  3. Senjutsu augmented speed
  4. Jinchuriki speed
  5. Shunshin masters – Shisui, Sasuke…
  6. Swift release
  7. THREE tomoe sharingan precognition
  8. Near 360 degree Byakugan vision

Intagibility
  1. Kamui

Flight

  1. Oonoki
  2. Muu
  3. Gaara’s sand
  4. Deidara’s clay
  5. Sasuke’s hawk summoning
    --an air oriented summoning technique will suffice
  6. Nagato

Kekkei genkai

Targetting the kunai
  1. Amaterasu kunai
  2. Spoil seal formula – Lava KG…etc…

Target environment/surroundings

Destroy surroundings
To disperse of tagged kunai:

Smash ground – powerful chakra enhanced ground attack i.e Tsunade, Sakura...etc…

Advantage of terrain
Water – or other high-level water techniques

Air - flight

Desert – sinking kunai,

Ladies and gentlemen, we've defeated FTG (or at least created a sort of stalemate).
  1. Minato can't harm you
  2. Minato can't outpace you
  3. Minato can't get near you
please, just stop with FTG = instant death
that isn't true, at least when it comes to jounin

Minato is overrated.
1. He can teleport to his thrown kunai faster than you can block it(FTG is the fastest tech known to shinobi) then catch the kunai he threw and throw the same kunai somewhere else closer to you. He can repeat this till he has closed the distance
2. Once the distance is closed he can attack with rasengan, if your defense is strong enough to withstand rasengan he can attack with two rasengan(one in each hand) and if your defense is strong enough to withstand two rasengan he teleports back to where he was at the beginning.
3. Any defense strong enough to withstand two rasengan is chakra tasking
(for example susanoo) so he can simply escape your attacks till your chakra runs out
4. As for disrupting the earth, like Sakura or Gaara he canthrow kunai to the air and as for disturbing the with wind techniques or lava or acid, he can teleport before you prepare anything of the sort, for Kisame's water bubble technique or other water techs, he can teleport it away with a time space barrier.
5. for those who fight from the sky he can close the distance as ive stated in number 1
6. engaging in taijutsu to disable him is the stupidest thing ive ever heard, Even A failed at a direct confrontation.
7. FTg requires no seals as seen when he fought Madara, the seal only needs to be near you not necessarily on you as seen when he teleported above Madara when the marked kunai was already behind Madara.
The only ppl he draws with are chakra monsters like bijuu or raikages and Hydification tech users he cant attack since he has no lightning, Minato doesnt lose. His technique isnt perfect but no technique can take advantage of its opening which is the placing of seals
 

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Every technique has a flaw. But you can only assume thats how Minato would fight. 1st, how many ppl can use chidori all over their bodies. Second, how many ppl are actually fast enough to react to his speed? And also, he didnt become hokage for nothing, I a chidori nagashi wouldnt stop him in his tracks. I bet a double rasenegan would destroy that chidori nagashi. FTG is one of the best techs in the series..Minato is not overrated. He was just that skilled. Why else would they have a "flee on sight" warning to all enemies on the battlefield, and why is world famous.
 

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Every technique has a flaw. But you can only assume thats how Minato would fight. 1st, how many ppl can use chidori all over their bodies. Second, how many ppl are actually fast enough to react to his speed? And also, he didnt become hokage for nothing, I a chidori nagashi wouldnt stop him in his tracks. I bet a double rasenegan would destroy that chidori nagashi. FTG is one of the best techs in the series..Minato is not overrated. He was just that skilled. Why else would they have a "flee on sight" warning to all enemies on the battlefield, and why is world famous.
You are making a lot of sense. He ACTUALLY was just that skilled
 

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Wow. I'm pretty sure people already knew this lol. I don't think it's the fans that hype up FTG, it was the manga. I've read somewhere that During the third ninja war the opposing shinobi were told to retreat at the sight of minato. If you have a team of shinobi and eyre told to flee because of one man, that's pretty scary. He didn't make hokage because of FTG alone. He had above average awareness, intellect, fighting ability or tai jutsu what ever you wanna call it and his above average physical attributes.
 

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No one is going to stop it because Minato is dead. Duh

He's no longer an important character FFS. Someone had to be Naruto's dad and some parts in history needed to be filled. So they shat out Minato.
you go too far now:p .. you say something like> Someone had to fight Madara so they *shat out* Hashirama, Someone had to fight Orochimaru so they *shat out* Hiruzen, and the list can go on:p ..Im not a hater or a fanboy but sometimes people go too far;)
 

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Why is this happening?

Minato is strong he made the jutsu to better his abilities and he has shown to be capable of using it the right way.

If you want to say BLALABALA>Minato then make a versus thread.

Seriously if you cant win on one thread all you guys do is make another to make yourselves feel better.
 
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