Flying Thunder God Technique not all it's cracked up to be

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There are two levels to FTG:

Level 1
Teleportation to a stationary object in the form of either a kunai or marked seal

Level 2
Teleportation to a moving object that is either a travelling kunai or a marked opponent

However, there are two glaring issues:

Kunai can be blocked

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(I know the picture shows shuriken but the point is still the same)
This is to:
  1. Stop Minato from teleporting near you
  2. Create a distance between you and Minato so as to severely limit his speed
Granted he won't throw the kunai , but you can still thwart the path of the ones headed towards you. And stop them from landing behind you. This way you'd only need to be cautious of attacks originating in front of you

You can prepare a defense
Ex.
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This is to:
  1. Avoid being tagged
  2. Defend against an attacking kunai or Rasengan
You can anticipate
  1. FTG requires hand seal(s) - so monitor his hands and react accordingly
  2. He'd obviously attempt to teleport to the kunai closest to you
Also:
  1. FTG comes with a cost. It still eats your chakra
  2. Minato has a limited supply of kunai
In addition (this is extra, you don't have to read it):
Highest ranking jutsu
Their use is quite self-explanatory
  • Izanagi
  • Susano’o
  • Amaterasu
  • Shinra tensei

Low-class ninjutsu

High-class ninjutsu
Shadow Clone Jutsu
Uses:
  1. Diversionary tactic
Wind affinity
High-level Wind technique- use is quite self-explanatory - scatter away kunai

Earth affinity

Water affinity

Medical ninjutsu/Healing

Taijutsu

To paralyze/disable:
i.e. disable his body – a leg(s) or arm(s)

  • Poison – Sasori

Match his speed or reflexes
(To react to his movement i.e. to react quickly enough to dodge his strike when he reappears after teleporting)

  1. Gate release
  2. Lightning Armour technique
  3. Senjutsu augmented speed
  4. Jinchuriki speed
  5. Shunshin masters – Shisui, Sasuke…
  6. Swift release
  7. THREE tomoe sharingan precognition
  8. Near 360 degree Byakugan vision

Intagibility
  1. Kamui

Flight

  1. Oonoki
  2. Muu
  3. Gaara’s sand
  4. Deidara’s clay
  5. Sasuke’s hawk summoning
    --an air oriented summoning technique will suffice
  6. Nagato

Kekkei genkai

Targetting the kunai
  1. Amaterasu kunai
  2. Spoil seal formula – Lava KG…etc…

Target environment/surroundings

Destroy surroundings
To disperse of tagged kunai:

Smash ground – powerful chakra enhanced ground attack i.e Tsunade, Sakura...etc…

Advantage of terrain
Water – or other high-level water techniques

Air - flight

Desert – sinking kunai,

Ladies and gentlemen, we've defeated FTG (or at least created a sort of stalemate).
  1. Minato can't harm you
  2. Minato can't outpace you
  3. Minato can't get near you
please, just stop with FTG = instant death
that isn't true, at least when it comes to jounin

Minato is overrated.
What if he throws a kunai behind himself then to the cieling than to the corner of the room and keeps porting to each of those throwing shuriken at you from differing angles then makes a shadow clones to add to the assault.

Look the point is not jutsu is just game over, without tactically using it (excluding meteorite in the hands of a byakugan user from 10k away, sup Over power). Minato was a genius in battle which is why he was even able to engineer such a jutsu.

You are not just going up against FTG, you are going again against FTG in the hands of a prodigy.
 
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"Despite his impressive abilities, he never underestimates his opponents, given his praise of Jiraiya, saying the best he could do against the Sannin was a stalemate."

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If Itachi=Jiraiya, Itachi's words not mine, I wonder how Minato would do against Itachi.
Unless you are trying to say Jiraiya>Minato.
 

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There are two levels to FTG:

Level 1
Teleportation to a stationary object in the form of either a kunai or marked seal

Level 2
Teleportation to a moving object that is either a travelling kunai or a marked opponent

However, there are two glaring issues:

Kunai can be blocked

You must be registered for see images

(I know the picture shows shuriken but the point is still the same)
This is to:
  1. Stop Minato from teleporting near you
  2. Create a distance between you and Minato so as to severely limit his speed
Granted he won't throw the kunai , but you can still thwart the path of the ones headed towards you. And stop them from landing behind you. This way you'd only need to be cautious of attacks originating in front of you

You can prepare a defense
Ex.
You must be registered for see images

This is to:
  1. Avoid being tagged
  2. Defend against an attacking kunai or Rasengan
You can anticipate
  1. FTG requires hand seal(s) - so monitor his hands and react accordingly
  2. He'd obviously attempt to teleport to the kunai closest to you
Also:
  1. FTG comes with a cost. It still eats your chakra
  2. Minato has a limited supply of kunai
In addition (this is extra, you don't have to read it):
Highest ranking jutsu
Their use is quite self-explanatory
  • Izanagi
  • Susano’o
  • Amaterasu
  • Shinra tensei

Low-class ninjutsu

High-class ninjutsu
Shadow Clone Jutsu
Uses:
  1. Diversionary tactic
Wind affinity
High-level Wind technique- use is quite self-explanatory - scatter away kunai

Earth affinity

Water affinity

Medical ninjutsu/Healing

Taijutsu

To paralyze/disable:
i.e. disable his body – a leg(s) or arm(s)

  • Poison – Sasori

Match his speed or reflexes
(To react to his movement i.e. to react quickly enough to dodge his strike when he reappears after teleporting)

  1. Gate release
  2. Lightning Armour technique
  3. Senjutsu augmented speed
  4. Jinchuriki speed
  5. Shunshin masters – Shisui, Sasuke…
  6. Swift release
  7. THREE tomoe sharingan precognition
  8. Near 360 degree Byakugan vision

Intagibility
  1. Kamui

Flight

  1. Oonoki
  2. Muu
  3. Gaara’s sand
  4. Deidara’s clay
  5. Sasuke’s hawk summoning
    --an air oriented summoning technique will suffice
  6. Nagato

Kekkei genkai

Targetting the kunai
  1. Amaterasu kunai
  2. Spoil seal formula – Lava KG…etc…

Target environment/surroundings

Destroy surroundings
To disperse of tagged kunai:

Smash ground – powerful chakra enhanced ground attack i.e Tsunade, Sakura...etc…

Advantage of terrain
Water – or other high-level water techniques

Air - flight

Desert – sinking kunai,

Ladies and gentlemen, we've defeated FTG (or at least created a sort of stalemate).
  1. Minato can't harm you
  2. Minato can't outpace you
  3. Minato can't get near you
please, just stop with FTG = instant death
that isn't true, at least when it comes to jounin

Minato is overrated.

Use search bar and you will see that everyone tried their best to counter FTG. Let me simplify everything. Minato has the option to target the enemy directly or to scatter kunais. Either way, it's a win win situation for him. Even if someone manage to block the kunai then those kunais that were block are all scattered in one place thus the enemies room for battle are getting smaller because Minato's kunais are scattered on the ground. Like this one.

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Just one throw from Minato and look how many kunais are scattered on the ground. Did he intend to throw the kunais directly at A? NO. He scattered the kunais everywhere limiting A's space in battle because his kunais occupied the space.

IF Itachi manage to block it because he's so good at intercepting kunais, where do you think the kunais be? It will still be scattered in one place thus limiting Itachi's own space while giving Minato all the advantages.

One more thing, Minato does not appear on the direct spot where the kunai is. There is a radius of that. He can be on top of the kunai, left, right, front or back....it depends on him where he wants to appear like this one.

Minato marked the IWA nin on the front foot

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He appeared at his abck to kill him

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Minato appeared on top of Tobi and hit Tobi at the back. This could be the time where he place the mark

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Minato appeared in front of Tobi

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By the way, Minato too is good at deflecting kunais. Take note he does not have a sharingan...Minato uses shurikens to deflect kunais at a distant

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Is it this easy to stop FTG? Come on..
 
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Use search bar and you will see that everyone tried their best to counter FTG. Let me simplify everything. Minato has the option to target the enemy directly or to scatter kunais. Either way, it's a win win situation for him. Even if someone manage to block the kunai then those kunais that were block are all scattered in one place thus the enemies room for battle are getting smaller because Minato's kunais are scattered on the ground. Like this one.

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Just one throw from Minato and look how many kunais are scattered on the ground. Did he intend to throw the kunais directly at A? NO. He scattered the kunais everywhere limiting A's space in battle because his kunais occupied the space.

IF Itachi manage to block it because he's so good at intercepting kunais, where do you think the kunais be? It will still be scattered in one place thus limiting Itachi's own space while giving Minato all the advantages.

One more thing, Minato does not appear on the direct spot where the kunai is. There is a radius of that. He can be on top of the kunai, left, right, front or back....it depends on him where he wants to appear like this one.

Minato marked the IWA nin on the front foot

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He appeared at his abck to kill him

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Minato appeared on top of Tobi and hit Tobi at the back. This could be the time where he place the mark

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You must be registered for see images

Minato appeared in front of Tobi

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By the way, Minato too is good at deflecting kunais. Take note he does not have a sharingan...Minato uses shurikens to deflect kunais at a distant

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Is it this easy to stop FTG? Come on..
It was legendary.
 

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It was legendary.
:) it's not that easy to stop FTG as they claim to be. They think that by intercepting the kunais, FTG is useless..FTG is used for teleportation and by scattering the kunais on a certain place, the enemies space for battle is reduce thus giving him/her a disadvantage.
 

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:) it's not that easy to stop FTG as they claim to be. They think that by intercepting the kunais, FTG is useless..FTG is used for teleportation and by scattering the kunais on a certain place, the enemies space for battle is reduce thus giving him/her a disadvantage.
Itachi is better off using his sharingan to intercept the kunais and send them all flying to the same spot, or use amaterasu to set fire to all the locations that the kunai land, but once he is touched it's over. minato could just through the kunai into the air though and stay in the sky throughout the battle, aerial assault.
 

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OP's logic is sound; if you are invincible and have mastered every jutsu in existence, then the FTG is almost nullified against you.


Seriously, though.


The FTG is actually just horribly underrated. It's like a multiplicative factor; think of every battle jutsu now and think of how much more effective FTG makes it. IMAGINE AN UCHIHA WITH IT. Sasano'o + FTG would be unstoppable.
 

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Use search bar and you will see that everyone tried their best to counter FTG. Let me simplify everything. Minato has the option to target the enemy directly or to scatter kunais. Either way, it's a win win situation for him. Even if someone manage to block the kunai then those kunais that were block are all scattered in one place thus the enemies room for battle are getting smaller because Minato's kunais are scattered on the ground. Like this one.

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Just one throw from Minato and look how many kunais are scattered on the ground. Did he intend to throw the kunais directly at A? NO. He scattered the kunais everywhere limiting A's space in battle because his kunais occupied the space.

IF Itachi manage to block it because he's so good at intercepting kunais, where do you think the kunais be? It will still be scattered in one place thus limiting Itachi's own space while giving Minato all the advantages.

One more thing, Minato does not appear on the direct spot where the kunai is. There is a radius of that. He can be on top of the kunai, left, right, front or back....it depends on him where he wants to appear like this one.

Minato marked the IWA nin on the front foot

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He appeared at his abck to kill him

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Minato appeared on top of Tobi and hit Tobi at the back. This could be the time where he place the mark

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Minato appeared in front of Tobi

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By the way, Minato too is good at deflecting kunais. Take note he does not have a sharingan...Minato uses shurikens to deflect kunais at a distant.
and i believe kunai's are faster than shiruken. and his kunais are much harder to deflect in where he intended to coz minatos kunai are heavier

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Is it this easy to stop FTG? Come on..
hmmm mahiru is strong contradicting a popular belief that he is a fodder. he is just fodderized by minato. look he can make 20 shadow clones. 20 clones and strong enough to kill obito and rin. if minato wasnt there those 2 were dead. and look at kakashi in that pic above. kakashi an elite a prodigy that was promoted to be a jounin was going to die with those kunai thrown by mahiru if minato doesnt deflect him. but haters will gonna come soon and they will say he's not gonna die(since it didnt happen, its easy to deny just like when BEE saves A from getting stab from the back) :shrug:
+rep






and he is faster than his KUNAI, kindly please observe the image :)
tobi and minato are not moving at the same pace. minato was faster
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ok whats your point? ftg is gay and overrated, everthing about those red and black eye ******s is extremely gay and overrated sooo whats the point of this again?
 
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Your making it sound completely easy. Is almost like doing this:
"Ok to save the world, you only have to jump inside this pool of piranhas, grab the key, swim back to the island of hope, fight a dragon, and deactivate the equipment". I can basically give you all hints possible to make something incredible simple, but in reality is not.
Another, much more believable example are sports, you watch them every single time, you can see the movements of professionals, think you can beat them, but in the end you will still be beat, you of course have a chance to win, but is limited.
He has done at least 3 fights involving FTG, the three of them were completely different, all based on the same technique. He had help from his fellow comrades too throw hundreds of kunai at the enemy, and swip them down. He used a moving kunai to teleport behind Madara. He left a kunai besides A after teleporting, then teleporting back the same second.
You cannot judge his thought process by simply using his Kunai usage and throwing everything away. Minato is a remarkable genius, and his process of analyzation are amazing, he wont spam the same movements over and over. Don't judge Minato's potential by 3 fights and his kunai, FTG can be used even without them, and Minato is free to mark anywhere he places his hand into.
His base speed exceeds normal speed. He has been shown to be fast enough for Sharingan to follow, as seen when Madara tried to strike Naruto baby.



Again, preparing something is completely hard when you dont have enough data about the enemy. Even an enemy with excellent analyzation and strategy. Your seriously underestimating his skills. The "obviously attempt" to teleport to the closest kunai is in the gray areas, he be able to teleport to the closest kunai before your able to identify which is the closest kunai.
FTG does not require handseals, if it did, he be long dead when he fought raikage. The reason he created rasengan was to use techniques that do not use handseals, which easily facilitate his speed and strikes.


FTG does not cost chakra. The reason it doesnt is because is based on Fuinjutsu, the liberation of sealed chakra to create ninjutsu. Even if it consumes chakra, the amount of chakra used is minuscular compared to other techniques.
Minato has at least 30 kunai in his pocket, right? He is able to use Shadow Shuriken Clone Jutsu to multiply a single kunai into a 1000, so he pretty much has around 30000 kunai at his disposal.
Even if he has no kunai available, it doesnt mean he is unable to use FTG, he is able to put seals in rocks, the floor, animals, trees. Just thinking that the Kunai are a neccesity is a lie.

In addition (this is extra, you don't have to read it):
Highest ranking jutsu
Their use is quite self-explanatory
  • Izanagi
  • Susano’o
  • Amaterasu
  • Shinra tensei

Low-class ninjutsu

High-class ninjutsu
Shadow Clone Jutsu
Uses:
  1. Diversionary tactic
Wind affinity
High-level Wind technique- use is quite self-explanatory - scatter away kunai

Earth affinity

Water affinity

Medical ninjutsu/Healing

Taijutsu

To paralyze/disable:
i.e. disable his body – a leg(s) or arm(s)

  • Poison – Sasori

Match his speed or reflexes
(To react to his movement i.e. to react quickly enough to dodge his strike when he reappears after teleporting)

  1. Gate release
  2. Lightning Armour technique
  3. Senjutsu augmented speed
  4. Jinchuriki speed
  5. Shunshin masters – Shisui, Sasuke…
  6. Swift release
  7. THREE tomoe sharingan precognition
  8. Near 360 degree Byakugan vision

Intagibility
  1. Kamui

Flight

  1. Oonoki
  2. Muu
  3. Gaara’s sand
  4. Deidara’s clay
  5. Sasuke’s hawk summoning
    --an air oriented summoning technique will suffice
  6. Nagato

Kekkei genkai

Targetting the kunai
  1. Amaterasu kunai
  2. Spoil seal formula – Lava KG…etc…

Target environment/surroundings

Destroy surroundings
To disperse of tagged kunai:

Smash ground – powerful chakra enhanced ground attack i.e Tsunade, Sakura...etc…

Advantage of terrain
Water – or other high-level water techniques

Air - flight

Desert – sinking kunai,



You have not defeated FTG yet, you got a basic plan on what to do in case you confront it, but the variables are infinite. You cannot judge how a battle will go, and if you where infront of him, I doubt you be able to react to his base skill, much less his kunais been launch at you, which will reach you before you notice.



True, FTG isnt instant dead, is an instant supplementary jutsu. The deadliness of the technique falls when Minato is able to react to his own movement and act accordingly, which makes his moves much less anticipated.
Minato isn't overrated, but is underestimated.
^^ The best post I've read so far.. However, do you have any proof that Minato can perform Shadow Shuriken Clone Jutsu? I'm just curious...
 

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+rep. SO glad that someone disected FTG. This just goes to show that no justu or technique is unstopable. And Its not FTG itself, its the way Minato uses it.
 

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Flying Thunder God Technique Name: Flying Thunder God Technique (飛雷神の術, Hiraishin no Jutsu; Viz "Flying Thunder God Jutsu") Type: S-rank, Supplementary, All ranges User: Minato Namikaze Debut (Manga): Chapter 240 This jutsu was created by Minato Namikaze, and
quite possibly the reason behind his nickname,
"Konoha's Yellow Flash" (木ノ葉の黄色い閃光 Konoha no
Kīroi Senkō). It allows the user to move himself to
another location in the blink of an eye. Although
it is often compared with the Body Flicker Technique, the speed of this jutsu is much
greater. In principle, this jutsu is similar to the
Reverse Summoning Technique, as it revolves
around manipulation of time and space rather
than accelerated movement, but instead of
bringing something to users, it sends them somewhere. Additionally, it makes no noise and
produces no puff of smoke, allowing the user to
appear behind someone unnoticed. To activate this jutsu, the user needs a special seal
or "jutsu formula" (術式, jutsu-shiki) to mark the
destination. After this is done, the user enters a
dimensional void that almost instantaneously
transport himself to the location of the seal.
Minato applied the formula in advance to weapons such as kunai. By giving one such kunai
to a person, he can immediately teleport to that
person at any time. He can also apply the mark to
a touched area, such as his opponent or some
other surrounding feature. Furthermore, if an object marked with the seal
may touch the ground, Minato will immediately
know the position of everyone close to the object.
This technique also possesses surveillance
purposes as he can continuously sense where
anyone is as long as the seal is on them. No matter where an opponent is, he arrived directly
next to them. The jutsu is also very unique
because it requires no use of chakra, due to a
special secondary seal that emits the same chakra
as him, allowing him to have an instant
connection to the area. It is because of this technique that Konoha came
out victorious in the Iwagakure-Konohagakure
Ninja War. After having his subordinates toss
marked kunai randomly into the enemy ranks,
Minato used the technique to appear within their
ranks, using the great speed of this jutsu to seemingly appear to be in several places at once
and wipe out entire squadrons one by one in
moments before they could even react.

Note this is taken from narutobase jutsu
 

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OP's logic is sound; if you are invincible and have mastered every jutsu in existence, then the FTG is almost nullified against you.


Seriously, though.


The FTG is actually just horribly underrated. It's like a multiplicative factor; think of every battle jutsu now and think of how much more effective FTG makes it. IMAGINE AN UCHIHA WITH IT. Sasano'o + FTG would be unstoppable.
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