Flying Thunder God Technique not all it's cracked up to be

[Minato namikaze2]

hmph

 

[ninjastormgenaration33]

Itachi's Sasuno pwns Minato

 

[Disquiet]

I agree but you did not bring any facts saying how to stop FTG you just stated he needs some firepower with FTG to take them down.

since he can throw a kunai and teleport to it, you can't stop him from doing that so the ftg is stopped by blocking or dodging the attack that comes after the ftg, I really do think that the raikages speed can dodge an attack after he teleports and orochimaru is very capable also, you want facts but most of it should be logic, not calling you stupid just speaking in general, is there no shinobi that can dodge an attack from the ftg? if you answer no, then that means that minato could end any fight no matter the caliber of the shinobi as soon as it starts, I mean people have to think logically, of course that's assuming that you agree with me that the ftg is stopped by blocking the attacks that comes after.

 

[Disquiet]

What about the fact that minato is a genius in space-time jutsu, his reflexes are off the charts, he has mastered that FTG technique, that you made seem so simple, can defeat an whole army with that same technique in a split second, not even the sharingan can keep up with that type of speed, it's a hand to hand combat skill, he don't need hand seal for it because it's instant movement, his a calculating genius and is known for his strategic capabilities and even at his normal speed it's hard to keep up with him, even the third hokage figured him to be a hand full in a battle, ninjas retreated on the battlefield at his sudden appearance, sorry but I think you lost this battle.

not trying to take away from minato but the flee on sight order was obviously for the weaker shinobi, I mean orochimaru had the entire village scared of him and was part of the akaktsui which were his peers and some even stronger such as itachi and the leader pain/nagato, do you think any of the akaktsui would have ran from minato? no. the raikage sure didn't. I don't know what's so hard about this, we saw itachi put tsukyomi on kakashi and injured him for a week,(could have killed him in minutes if he wanted) but do I think he can do the same to minato? heck no, do I hink minato could do the same to itachi, nagato, raikages, orochimaru, as he did to those shinobi he killed during that war, heck no. I'm saying that against higher class shinobi the ftg can be stopped. but yes, the ftg was strong enough to have him feared by the villages but at the same time no technique is unstoppable.

 

[Anbu Shinobi]

So explain to me why Minato stood toe to toe with Madara and made him flee. There are no flee on site orders for Madara or Sasuke.

lol i will say this again i guess if the 4th died, naruto mom died and that led to the uchiha one of the most powerful clan in the leaf being killed off and the so called madara is still alive who really won that fight madara action led to there deaths so madara fail misson took out the 4th ,a 9tail host and the whole uchiha clan Anbu Intel!!!!! or was that so called madara plan all along

 

[Anbu Shinobi]

Okay the one thing your wrong about is "predictable" Most people only see it once and they dont even really see it because they die immediately afterwards, and i never saw him form hand seals when he dodged the Raikage's full speed attack. You cant just say obstruct the path of the kunai hes already thrown because he can teleport to those to get a better throwing angle, nothings just as simple as i can throw this many shuriken at your kunai and you lose. Shuriken and regular kunai are a throw and forget weapon people throw them and noone GAF about them, but with his he can teleport to one while hes throwing another one and its impossible to keep an eye on his movement and predict them with sharingan because you cant actually see his movement. If he is losing he can just teleport away to Kushina grab a sandwhich and come back to ambush you in 5 minutes. Everyone in the manga called him a genius with techniques and strategies he can always find another way to use his own techniques.

Predictable well didnt bee have the 4th in a bind when he attack him (i like your killer shinobi style) 4ths own word after using the ftg on bee but bee got him to and in that battle he use ftg and other tech so what happen to everone dies from the ftg a and bee still live crash and burn the 4th is one of the greatest but not a god Anbu Intel!!!!!! Bee counter ftg hmmmm

 

[1V4N]

since he can throw a kunai and teleport to it, you can't stop him from doing that so the ftg is stopped by blocking or dodging the attack that comes after the ftg, I really do think that the raikages speed can dodge an attack after he teleports and orochimaru is very capable also, you want facts but most of it should be logic, not calling you stupid just speaking in general, is there no shinobi that can dodge an attack from the ftg? if you answer no, then that means that minato could end any fight no matter the caliber of the shinobi as soon as it starts, I mean people have to think logically, of course that's assuming that you agree with me that the ftg is stopped by blocking the attacks that comes after.

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Raikage sure did dodge that well right?....No FTG is not stopped by dodging the follow up attack, and argument to be logical it needs to be valid and to be valid it needs to be supported by facts the way i see it...and i never stated FTG is instant death i just stated in my previous posts that nobody figured it out ever and Minato never, ever lost a battle, i don't like everybody's acting Kishi and basing their arguments of BS speculation i'm not a fanboy i'm just fighting haters

 

[Itachi2304]

This thread never compared itachi to minato. Why the **** are u comparing all his moves to itachi? its like they say everyone wants to compare themself to the best lol. Stop crying about his moves. Itachi outclasses minato and thats final. Stop saying if this were itachi or if that were itachi. Thats all bullshit. Itachi beats minato in every field other than raw speed. Regardless itachi is a 5/5 in speed and he has sharingan. So itachi would definitely keep up with minato in speed. Seriously, we get u love minato and all but stop crying and trying to make him better than itachi. He isnt. he is great and all but he is no itachi. All i saw in ur comment was minato does this no way itachi can do that. U know itachi is better than minato urself. That is why u are so insecure

why minato is such a beast

some of his jutsu that just out weighs many...


not only can he teleport him self he can deflect shit

(you couldnt even see the hand seals)

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itachi would have got merked if this was him minato is way faster

with moving speed and attacking

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again no hand signs also note how many times he uses ftg
and see how tired he gets

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and look 2 fast as shinobi dashing at each other

and he pulls this off in mid dash

something itachi could never drem of

look how close they are 2 each other

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minato is smart he always throws his kunai b4 a battle even starts

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and again here is him throwing multi kunai

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ima bring a link fro the movie right here

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bam him using a kunai tech that is a barage



also this is the figth between A and minato

look at him jump at his back


from the tree that took an incredible amount of strength and speed

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and then in mid action he doges bee and hits him

something itachi could never do..

the battle would have ended here...


look

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point being it takes alot to beat him he isnt some joke that can be beat with mere multi shuriken in which he can also preform

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

lol i will say this again i guess if the 4th died, naruto mom died and that led to the uchiha one of the most powerful clan in the leaf being killed off and the so called madara is still alive who really won that fight madara action led to there deaths so madara fail misson took out the 4th ,a 9tail host and the whole uchiha clan Anbu Intel!!!!! or was that so called madara plan all along

So the test of someone strength is survival and indirect action? Madara didn't kill the 4th hokage, the hokage killed himself to seal the nine tails.The Uchiha clan died because they plan a coup not because of the nine tails incident.Madara didn't have anything to do with the Uchiha planned coup, so he wasn't responsible for the death of the clan.Itachi approach madara for his help and basically forced madara into being a participant. The only person madara actually killed was kushina by forcing the nine tails out.Trying to credit madara for the Uchiha massacre is stupid.When you apply cause and effect the massacre was caused by the planned coup.

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

This thread never compared itachi to minato. Why the **** are u comparing all his moves to itachi? its like they say everyone wants to compare themself to the best lol. Stop crying about his moves. Itachi outclasses minato and thats final. Stop saying if this were itachi or if that were itachi. Thats all bullshit. Itachi beats minato in every field other than raw speed. Regardless itachi is a 5/5 in speed and he has sharingan. So itachi would definitely keep up with minato in speed. Seriously, we get u love minato and all but stop crying and trying to make him better than itachi. He isnt. he is great and all but he is no itachi. All i saw in ur comment was minato does this no way itachi can do that. U know itachi is better than minato urself. That is why u are so insecure

You itachi fanboys are like herpes, you never go away and constantly pop up for no reason.Why do you care who he uses as a comp? Is it because it's your boyfriend? You're not only didn't add anything to the conversation, you started stirring your random itachi opinions as if they were facts. Really, try laying off the itachi glass d**k for a day and breathe some fresh air.

 

[Anbu Shinobi]

So the test of someone strength is survival and indirect action? Madara didn't kill the 4th hokage, the hokage killed himself to seal the nine tails.The Uchiha clan died because they plan a coup not because of the nine tails incident.Madara didn't have anything to do with the Uchiha planned coup, so he wasn't responsible for the death of the clan.Itachi approach madara for his help and basically forced madara into being a participant. The only person madara actually killed was kushina by forcing the nine tails out.Trying to credit madara for the Uchiha massacre is stupid.When you apply cause and effect the massacre was caused by the planned coup.

Madara got the higher ups to question if uchiha are the one who did it creating a rift in the village pushing them into isolation and constant watch creating the the ground work of distrust for the coup and madara release the 9tails forcing the 4th to reseal some of the 9tails chakra with his own life Anbu Intel!!!!! and you must not understand what a ninja is its not about a direct attack but the deception

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

Madara got the higher ups to question if uchiha are the one who did it creating a rift in the village pushing them into isolation and constant watch creating the the ground work for the coup Anbu Intel!!!!!

Maybe so, but it was the Uchiha who acted on the coup.That decision was theirs.Just like it was Itachi decision to killed the clan.If the Uchiha didn't planned the coup, the massacre would never have happen.If Itachi didn't killed the clan, then obviously the massacre would never have happen.Those two events were made independently.Both events were made by personal choices, not by anything madara did.Madara can not be given credit for action he had no control of.

 

[EmoUchiha]

I agree it isn't all its cracked up to be, but its still good.
I think the only person that could match up or surpass Minato in speed would be Itachi or Madara....well in that flash back that Kushina had Madara was able to out do Minato in speed. Minato could hardly keep up.
But the other shinobi weren't as great as Minato thats why it seems to be overrated.
Lol its fact Minato is fast and thats that. People probably can surpass him because the next generation is always better. So stop arguing people.
stfu

 

[Anbu Shinobi]

Maybe so, but it was the Uchiha who acted on the coup.That decision was theirs.Just like it was Itachi decision to killed the clan.If the Uchiha didn't planned the coup, the massacre would never have happen.If Itachi didn't killed the clan, then obviously the massacre would never have happen.Those two events were made independently.Both events were made by personal choices, not by anything madara did.Madara can not be given credit for action he had no control of.

lol what if is different then whats written thats how it happen READ THE MANGA Anbu Intel!!!!

 

[1V4N]

The thing is Minato's greatest accomplishment was Naruto, and by looking in way Minato won 16 years ago when he sealed kyuubi and died, no FTG, no hax

 

[tunechisan]

i resepct that fact that you gave out a thought out explanation and didnt just rant on how u thought it was OP but its still a cool jutsu

 

[AmaterasuBeastMode]

I really like this thread. Though a lot of people may disagree, that it is an honest opinion on the strengths and weaknesses of the FTG tech; furthermore, it is a complimentary post for the long standing duel between the 4th Hokage vs Itachi discussions. I like that you mentioned Itachi's sharingan defense ability to foresee attacks (blocking kunai knives) compared to Minato's undoubtedly effective FTG transportation technique. I know that most of the things you mentioned in your post, are considered to be basic "Naruto knowledge" to some of us on the base. But they still give you a different outlook on the whole thing, while adding to that ever-revolving question: In a battle that probably comes down to who has more wit than brawn, does Minato or Itachi take the cake?... I wonder what Mr. Kishimoto would say about that?!

 

[Itachi2304]

hey minato fanboy how about u go stick ur head up minatos ass. This guy was the one who was comparing him to itachi and making a vs thread out of it. Seriously u itachi haters all u do is hate hate hate on itachi just because he owns ur favorite char. Stop crying. And why the **** do u make everything sound gay? is it perhaps because u are gay? and thats the only insult u can think of? well here is a fact ******. Not everyone is a homo like u are. So how about u think about that. This thread was never about itachi and yondaime. Why the **** did he start comparing yondaime to itachi and dissing. oh my yondaime can do this! and my yuondaime can also do that! look itachi loses! well whatever. haters will always be haters i guess. U 2 were trying to turn a nice thread with pure facts into some stupid thread. Thank god it didnt work

Maybe so, but it was the Uchiha who acted on the coup.That decision was theirs.Just like it was Itachi decision to killed the clan.If the Uchiha didn't planned the coup, the massacre would never have happen.If Itachi didn't killed the clan, then obviously the massacre would never have happen.Those two events were made independently.Both events were made by personal choices, not by anything madara did.Madara can not be given credit for action he had no control of.

 

[Disquiet]

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Raikage sure did dodge that well right?....No FTG is not stopped by dodging the follow up attack, and argument to be logical it needs to be valid and to be valid it needs to be supported by facts the way i see it...and i never stated FTG is instant death i just stated in my previous posts that nobody figured it out ever and Minato never, ever lost a battle, i don't like everybody's acting Kishi and basing their arguments of BS speculation i'm not a fanboy i'm just fighting haters

so raikage did get hit? oops, but still, you said the ftg is not stopped by dodging or blocking its attack, then I guess you mean it is stopped by defeating minato. that helps me even more, sometimes logic should come before facts, but I 'll play by your rules for now, he never lost a battle? well how many battles has he fought against high class shinobi? ummm...one that we know of, and that's madara in which he ended up dying, if he didn't die then kushina would have defeated the fox and not minato!! and can we quit this game, we all know that madara was nothing compared to how he used to be. and who are the other opponents you're talking about? bee and raikage? that wasn't even a fight, he didn't DEFEAT them so he didn't win or lose. I could easily say "show me facts that minato never lost a "BATTLE" to a shinobi whose name was actually known" of course some would be quick to jump and say madara, but don't you think that's funny because it's only ONE and he ended up dying, so the only REAL battle you could name was one that ended him? show me facts please? I'm just kidding, I know full well he must have defeated shinobi whose name was known, he wouldn't be so feared otherwise by just beating a bunch of nobodies, and that's logic before facts. to say show me facts that the ftg cant be stopped "because he never lost a battle" implies he could win any battle with whoever and that he was the most powerful ninja in the world, even better than the kages. come on man, give me a break, it SHOULD be logical that it could be stopped, especially since "stopped" by your( I can agree with that as well, but still find my other definition to be true) definition means being beaten since you said " he never lost a battle" any shinobi can be beaten, it's about "preparation and luck", which is how shikamaru defeated a shinobi that was in a totally different class than him.

 

[Itachi2304]

yeah i totally agree with u 100%. I really cant say anything more. u said it all. Up till now the only character who has never been defeated and has never lost a battle is Uchiha Itachi. He is the only character in the series who never "fought for hsi life". Making him the only undefeated character in the entire series. other than our friend SO6P lol. regardless minato did lose. Minato did infact "fight for his life". In the end he ended up dying and being defeated. U may say he had a plan! and he did it on purpose! but let me ask u this. Wouldnt he have preferred staying alive with kushina instead? and with naruto? so he really didnt get what he wanted out of that fight. Thus he was defeated. He had to kill himself to do what he needed to do. Its sad but true. He was great and all. But unbeatable is far from reality. His FTG is beatable. People always say susanoo can be beaten. But they say FTG cant. In reality somehow everything can be beaten. Itachi always says that every jutsu and every shinobi has a weak point. The weak points stated by the thread maker are extremely valid. all of them. even the "unbeatable" chibaku tensei was easily taken down once the weak point was established. its not always as easy but everything has that vital spot that can change everything. ok thanks for reading this guys. And have a good day

so raikage did get hit? oops, but still, you said the ftg is not stopped by dodging or blocking its attack, then I guess you mean it is stopped by defeating minato. that helps me even more, sometimes logic should come before facts, but I 'll play by your rules for now, he never lost a battle? well how many battles has he fought against high class shinobi? ummm...one that we know of, and that's madara in which he ended up dying, if he didn't die then kushina would have defeated the fox and not minato!! and can we quit this game, we all know that madara was nothing compared to how he used to be. and who are the other opponents you're talking about? bee and raikage? that wasn't even a fight, he didn't DEFEAT them so he didn't win or lose. I could easily say "show me facts that minato never lost a "BATTLE" to a shinobi whose name was actually known" of course some would be quick to jump and say madara, but don't you think that's funny because it's only ONE and he ended up dying, so the only REAL battle you could name was one that ended him? show me facts please? I'm just kidding, I know full well he must have defeated shinobi whose name was known, he wouldn't be so feared otherwise by just beating a bunch of nobodies, and that's logic before facts. to say show me facts that the ftg cant be stopped "because he never lost a battle" implies he could win any battle with whoever and that he was the most powerful ninja in the world, even better than the kages. come on man, give me a break, it SHOULD be logical that it could be stopped, especially since "stopped" by your( I can agree with that as well, but still find my other definition to be true) definition means being beaten since you said " he never lost a battle" any shinobi can be beaten, it's about "preparation and luck", which is how shikamaru defeated a shinobi that was in a totally different class than him.