Itachi vs Pain
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Kira was Righteous
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well it will take me a few minutes to find them but these are the instances are talking about are
1.Madara talking about how difficult it will be to fill in his shoes
2.Madara calling Nagato invincible
3.Zetsu expressing disbelief that even a weakened Nagato could be beaten
4.There is also a very interseting article on Naruto wiki where it says:While speaking derogatorily about Nagato, he still recognised his power as the strongest in Akatsuki and for possessing the Rinnegan.Its in the personality section on madara uchihas page
1.Madara talking about how difficult it will be to fill in his shoes
2.Madara calling Nagato invincible
3.Zetsu expressing disbelief that even a weakened Nagato could be beaten
4.There is also a very interseting article on Naruto wiki where it says:While speaking derogatorily about Nagato, he still recognised his power as the strongest in Akatsuki and for possessing the Rinnegan.Its in the personality section on madara uchihas page
Kira was Righteous
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oh and another thing saying celestial tera sphere takes long to start up is wrong its instaneous in the sense that everything starts going up in the air and Itachi cant aim his sword at him floating in the air.A good example of this is when Naruto,Itachi and Bee went up into the air or when chibaku tensei swept up the kyubbi and im 100% sure that the 9 tails is faster then susanoo
MAdara also said........(concerning Itachi)
1.Madara saying "If he knew my secret, i wouldnt be alive right now.
2."Now that Itachi's dead, i can operate my plan, He was the only thing in my way"
3. Itachi never ceases to amaze me, even in death.
4. Zetsu saying "along with Totsuku and Yata mirror, ITachi is invincible"
Your point was....?
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Dude that Totsuku blade is fast and long. He can just seal Nagato, before he gets crushed. And you do not get crushed instantly, otherwise Bee/Naruto/Itachi wouldn't be having that conversation, during Chibaku Tensei
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SatoshiHinoSai
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1. he is a strong member obviously that is true but does not mean that he is weaker than him
2.he was joking being sarcastic that jiraya held him up for so long and just becos he says that does not make it true cos he is not really invincible ppl say that to other to acknowledge their strength but does not mean madara is inferior to him
3.zetsu did that to itachi too and this has nothing to do with madara, anyone strong dying is pretty hard to believe
4.idk ,we can't take naruto wikia as the absolute truth but it might be right but power is not equal to win in battle and now(presently) madara has his powers plus his own so in the present yea he is very likely to be stronger than nagato was back then. but the manga would show us soon so i guess its better to wait and see.
MinatoFLASH
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He can fight with his eyes closed, one can close his eyes (Teno path) while the others just see Itachi's movements and so the other wud be seeing that even with his eyes closed. His ability to predict movements wud not do anything against CT.
He released the genjutsu killing them, its different and really doesn't prove anything becuz the other paths cud be there kishi just didn't show them becuz J-man was killing the others. Also it doesn't matter about visual genjutsu, becuz they don't have to see what one is seeing because when Kakashi did chidori from the back, the teno path was looking at Kakashi so the other one saw Kakashi and did not see what he was seeing which was actually teno path and teno path was not seeing teno path. Idk if u get what I mean but J-man's genjutsu not working on all is proof enuf. His clones cannot trick the Rinnegan buddy, Kakashi said it takes a second and it only takes a second for the other paths to surround deva path. And less than a min to do CT.
He cud fight blind folded while the other paths look for him or surround him, the genjutsu that paralyzes, once again the paths wud come in the way or it can easily be released by an outer source, this may be y Itachi never paralyzed Nagato when he was fighting him, so it is likely he wud die to CT, its simple.
They start off and Pain obviously knows about the MS and not to look in it, even kakashi did. Anyways he knows about its genjutsu and the paths instantly surround him but get caught in genjutsu, at least one of them, while Deva prepares CT, and the others then use their powers like summonings, etc. Itachi keeps using genjutsu and amatarasu but then uses sasoonu for defense, but by then Pain does CT and game over. There is NOTHING Itachi can do if Pain decides to hide for a couple seconds to buy time while he does CT. Once CT is done so is Itachi.
He only used Deva path because Naruto had killed the others and they cannot be instantly revived, and since he was doing CT he did not need to revive them.
Why wud he MAKE it travel?? It just travels dude, Sasuke's amatarasu seems more instant.
MinatoFLASH
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Guys look at my last post! It proves Pain has the edge, if u don't think so this thread wudnt get anywhere. One side needs to admit things.
Kira was Righteous
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i cant be bothered looking for them if you know what chapters im talking about btw why would Madara say that they are big shoes to fill if he was stronger?Anyway generally wiki is right and ive seen it on a lot of forums as well that statement about Nagato and Madara.There is no direct quote that i know off from Madara saying Nagato is stronger but he definitley implies it and feat wise definitley.
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MinatoFLASH
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dude that is not proof man jiraya was attacked only after he released not b4 so what ur saying they were unaffected has no ground at all since he did not come during the genjutsu was activated. and they share vision meaning what one sees is what the other sees it and if one is affected by genjutsu the other can too there is no proof against this or for this so we can only assume. so ur saying deva pain is starting off with being blind-folded so ur basically changing it to his favor which seems a bit unfair since u r changing the scenarios around but there are scenarios in which pain can win. and all the paths are way too slow to avoid amaterasu so they would most certainly die as long as itachi can see them. also kadowade can say the smae thing that all the paths can get in genjutsu since kakashi said kureni and asuma to close their eyes so ppl can use that as proof saying he can get multiple paths. the truth is u don't kno about that aspect neither do i and what we are doing is speculation not really concrete proof. if all the paths are done in amaterasu and only preta and deva remain they can be sealed or imobilized by genjutsu that does not even require eye contact like the one he used on oro remember.
MinatoFLASH
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At first when this thread first begin I knew it was gonna be a success like all my other threads becuz of the pictures! But this was far greater than I imagined, I imagined 40 pages at max but this was not a thread, it turned into a war! And it is pretty epic.
At first Pain was winning by far
Then Itachi tied
Then Itachi took the lead
Then Pain tied
Then Pain took the lead
Then Itachi tied
Then Itachi took the lead!
Now at the end of this thread I believe Pain will win!
It wud also be epic if it ties. xd
At first Pain was winning by far
Then Itachi tied
Then Itachi took the lead
Then Pain tied
Then Pain took the lead
Then Itachi tied
Then Itachi took the lead!
Now at the end of this thread I believe Pain will win!
It wud also be epic if it ties. xd
He cannot use other paths while using Chibaku Tensei. Thats why he took away all the other ones, and used only the Deva path. Plus Chibaku Tensei would destroy his paths.
He cannot free his other paths from Genjutsu because in order to escape, you need a DIFFRENT source of chakra to disrupt his. ALl the paths have the same source which is Nagato. And the reason Itachi couldnt use Genjutsu on Nagato was because He was an Edo tensei. Genjutsu wont work on him. Only 1 Genjutsu is strong enough to work on Edo tensei and thats kotoamatsukami. So Genjutsu wasent an option for Itachi because Nagato was an Edo tensei.
Lmao just keep watching the video, you'll see.xd
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big shoes to fill, nagato even said that about all the members who died and said how useful they were that does not mean he is weaker than them, pain dying is a big loss considering how powerful of an ally he is. power is not equal to win, nagato is technically is more powerful than madara(old madara one w/o rinnegan) but cannot even touch him and would most likely get absorbed in battle considering also low mobility. the new madara is definitely superior to him.
MinatoFLASH
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Look how is it not valid proof. WHY wud kishi show us that the other Pains aren't in the genjutsu, if they were then J-man wud of killed them too. Thats like saying when kona hit the Pain path with rasengan then Teno did not see that. I know it does not make sense, he probably did not. lol. The only reason they all closed their eyes were becuz they did not want to risk looking at it. Kakashi jus said both of u close ur eyes because it wud of been weird if he said "Asuma close ur eyes" and Kurenai wud of been like wtf do i do. He does not need to start off blind folded! He can just close his eyes in the fight! The truth is that from what we know, Pain can get his paths to take the hit, whether it be a genjutsu or amatarasu and then cast CT. So this is y I am saying Pain has the edge.
this thread is still going on.