Itachi vs Pain

[Kira was Righteous]

Its not fair saying madara is better with gedo mazo i dont think madara would of survived what Nagato did with that dragon technique especially with his frail body and him not being a rinnegan user thats why he needs sasuke
and by list i mean Kabuto sent Nagato at Naruto and Bee then captured them then Itachi saved them.Kabuto then directed Nagato at Itachi and he used Celesetial Tera Sphere which would of killed/captured them all without Itachis quick thinking and two top tier tailed beast hosts
Saying how amazing his space time technique is justified but Madara clearly thought pain was stronger the him at that time in many instances and that just leaves you with madara getting nagato rinnegan as a power up either way its nagatos rinnegan thats making them win

 

[kaddie3]

Sommoning technique is space/time jutsu, it takes no time , just like FTG. Actually, FTG is based on summoning jutsu, Minato just summons himself to one of his kunais or seals he placed. Moreover, Animal path dont have to waste time on making hand seals, since its able to perform summoning jutsu without them.

Actually it's reverse summoning. :flaw:

 

[Turson]

Actually it's reverse summoning. :flaw:

Its still summoning...

 

[arv993]

Are you a caveman or some shit? "kaddie i have no idea what you talking about," do you have some problems upstairs little man? I think it's past your bed time.

Sommoning technique is space/time jutsu, it takes no time , just like FTG. Actually, FTG is based on summoning jutsu, Minato just summons himself to one of his kunais or seals he placed. Moreover, Animal path dont have to waste time on making hand seals, since its able to perform summoning jutsu without them.

kaddie i said that becus u replied "u mad bro" on a post where i was talking about something that ppl had no proof of and u randomly but in and say "u mad bro". i did not get the point of that which was the reason i asked u.

turson she hasto make hand signs b4 doing that and it takes longer than u think if they can just teleport as they please and instantly then why did they not do it here where they lost a person and fyi amaterasu is much faster than rasen-shuriken.

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[kadowade]

Its not fair saying madara is better with gedo mazo i dont think madara would of survived what Nagato did with that dragon technique especially with his frail body and him not being a rinnegan user thats why he needs sasuke
and by list i mean Kabuto sent Nagato at Naruto and Bee then captured them then Itachi saved them.Kabuto then directed Nagato at Itachi and he used Celesetial Tera Sphere which would of killed/captured them all without Itachis quick thinking and two top tier tailed beast hosts
Saying how amazing his space time technique is justified but Madara clearly thought pain was stronger the him at that time in many instances and that just leaves you with madara getting nagato rinnegan as a power up either way its nagatos rinnegan thats making them win

Like i said...

People always say, if it wasent for Bee and Naruto, itachi would've died. Which is false.

1. If it wasent for Nagato being an Edo Tensei, he would've never regenreated his hands that got burned by Itachi's Amaterasu at the beggining of their Battle. Therfore if his hands is burnt, he wouldn't be able to use Chibaku Tensei. But luckily Edo tensei regenrated his hands and body.

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See his arms and Hands regenerating.

2. Bee and NAruto was getting their ass sent to them, But Itachi came to the rescue, destroyed Nagato's hands AGAIN. Look at Nagatos arms regenerating

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See and hands regenerating.

So If Itachi was fighting Nagato one on one, Itachi would win because Amaterasu is enough to destroy Nagato, which was proven. So basically Itachi beat Nagato twice. luckily Nagato was an Edo tensei, so he regenerated the limbs he lost from getting Amaterasu'd the first time, Then he got sealed the second time.
No arms = No Chibaku Tensei

And If Madara didnt have his Sharingan, he wouldn't even had of been able to retreive the Rinnegan. Actually without his Sharingan he would've dies fighting Minato, and he wouldve died when raikage atacked him. So the rinnegan isnt the only power that made MAdara strong. Madara BEEN strong, its just the Rinnegan made him stronger. SAme thing as if MAdara only had a Rinnegan, he probably wouldve went and reterieved a Sharingan as well.

 

[DivineIllusion]

Yeah, like remember when Kakashi first looked at Itachi's eyes, Kakashi started getting all tense, and started Shouting "Close your eyes" as if he knew he was already caught in Itachi's Tsukiyomi. So im assuming he told Asuma and Kurenai, to close their eyes so that they both wont be caught with him. But we don't know for sure.

(Tsukiyomi sure had room for 2 more xd(

But with Pain's case it should be easier, to trap all paths in Tsukiyomi since ALL of them share the same vision. So if One path looks at Itachi's eyes, the others should be caught as well, since they ALL share the same vision, and see's the same thing.

On Pain paths, Tsukoyomi wont use that much. As we know since the Paths are dead bodies, just controlled by chakraimpulses. Theyre immun to pain. (read the fight Ibiki vs. Chikushudo) Ibiki and Pain (its a womans body, controlled by a man so i dont know, he or she) itself wonders about the pain it should feel. So the paths are immun to the horrible pain, tsukuyomi is feared for.

Why did the frogs Genjutsu work?

My explanation is, that its just a blockade that makes you unable to move. Even if the victims are already dead. The bodies are just paralysed.
Second: That genjutsu was different from nearly all the other Genjutsus weve seen before.
Why? find out. Read jiraya vs Pain again.


i agree, that we dont know if its possible to catch more than one person in a Genjutsu. If smebdy is able to do that, than its Itachi.

But we also dont know if normal visual Genjutsus, even Tsukoyomi works corrctly vs the Rinnegan. I believe so but maybe not.

So if Itachi fights the paths hell lose. Cause he has no weapon against a combination from absorbing chakra, controlling gravity... and so on. he cant defeat the pains at once so hell lose.

I think everybody we know would have lost vs all six paths at once. Dont tell me naruto. He had just a chance of winning cause Tendo had used his giant shinra Tensei before. So the most powerfull path didnt participate in the first period of this fight.

But if theres just Nagato, he could get him with Tsukuyomi. Than he wins. Or Nagato uses shinra tensei ( a big variant), smashes Itachi. On that battleground like the chunin arena Itachi is maybe dead after that.

 

[arv993]

Its not fair saying madara is better with gedo mazo i dont think madara would of survived what Nagato did with that dragon technique especially with his frail body and him not being a rinnegan user thats why he needs sasuke
and by list i mean Kabuto sent Nagato at Naruto and Bee then captured them then Itachi saved them.Kabuto then directed Nagato at Itachi and he used Celesetial Tera Sphere which would of killed/captured them all without Itachis quick thinking and two top tier tailed beast hosts
Saying how amazing his space time technique is justified but Madara clearly thought pain was stronger the him at that time in many instances and that just leaves you with madara getting nagato rinnegan as a power up either way its nagatos rinnegan thats making them win

i said madara is better with the gedo as in he does not need to connect to it and get hurt by it making him vulnerable. ok i see now what u meant by list, but are those instances of u are talking about can u give me links.

 

[Tosen]

Never ending cycle of Itachi vs Pain posts still continues huh.

 

[Turson]

turson she hasto make hand signals b4 doing that

My bad, but Animal paths summoning is still faster than any other in manga. ->

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doing that and it takes longer than u think

Not really.

as they please and instantly then why did they not do it here where they lost a person

They lost Human there becuase:
1. Deva couldnt use his powers
2. Pretha was dead

 

[kadowade]

On Pain paths, Tsukoyomi wont use that much. As we know since the Paths are dead bodies, just controlled by chakraimpulses. Theyre immun to pain. (read the fight Ibiki vs. Chikushudo) Ibiki and Pain (its a womans body, controlled by a man so i dont know, he or she) itself wonders about the pain it should feel. So the paths are immun to the horrible pain, tsukuyomi is feared for.

Why did the frogs Genjutsu work?

My explanation is, that its just a blockade that makes you unable to move. Even if the victims are already dead. The bodies are just paralysed.
Second: That genjutsu was different from nearly all the other Genjutsus weve seen before.
Why? find out. Read jiraya vs Pain again.

Yes we have seen a paralyizing Genjutsu before, other than Jiraiyas' which was a Genjutsu that paralyzizes the body.

 

[MinatoFLASH]

Who's ever eyes, is looking at Itachi's will be caught, im assuming, since Kakashi told everybody to close their eyes. But since PAin share the same vision, shouldn't they ALL be caught. Because if one path is looking at his ,eyes, then that means ALL paths are looking at his eyes.

Deva path wont be able to put preta path in front of him that fast. Like as soon as Itachi looks at Deva's path's eyes, it's basically over for him.

Nope they won't all be caught, this was seen against J-man. Because only the paths that heard the frogs were able to see themselves in the genjutsu. Also y wud he do eye contact if he knows Itachi can use tsukiyomi. As soon as he sees the eye change shape, he wud tell his path to surround him while he cast chibaku, then one of the paths wud be caught because the path was surrounding Deva. Once the chibaku tensei is running Itachi dies.

 

[arv993]

Never ending cycle of Itachi vs Pain posts still continues huh.

yea lol this isnever gonna end and thats partly due me cos i find it interesting for some odd reason. this is going to reach 3000 soon just watch.

 

[arv993]

My bad, but Animal paths summoning is still faster than any other in manga. ->

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Not really.

They lost Human there becuase:
1. Deva couldnt use his powers
2. Pretha was dead

i kno deva was could not use his powers but i don't think they could just teleport away u kno cos there were a good number of times where animal could have done that.

 

[Tosen]

yea lol this isnever gonna end and thats partly due me cos i find it interesting for some odd reason. this is going to reach 3000 soon just watch.

LOL for me it was interesting the first couple of days and weeks since i joined but now it's getting old esp considering the fact thats it's clear that combatants on both ends wont agree with the other side ( the number of post in this thread indicates that) so it turns into endless back and forth argument neither side giving up ever ( lol thats why you don't see me participating in nagato vs itach or madara threads anymore)

 

[~MC117~]

I dont understand how people can vote for pain hoe can itachi fight while pain uses shinra tensei over and over.

 

[Turson]

i kno deva was could not use his powers but i don't think they could just teleport away u kno cos there were a good number of times where animal could have done that.

I dont understand you. Where could they teleport to if Animal was among them?

 

[DivineIllusion]

i am not only basing solely off the fact that he sealed him but other factors where itachi has the advantage like genjutsu, his advantage in speed over him, superior intellect and the fact that his sword did effectively work against him. nagato can beat itachi also i just think itachi has a better chance just because he can destroy konoha in one move does not mean he can beat every other character in the series, there are ppl with more destructive techs than itachi like deidara, kisame and naruto but their chances against him are low. pls nagato beating madara is very low and idk why u can't get that since he has nagato's powers plus his own withwhich he can avoid any attack nagato throws at him but obviously u try to spin it off by saying ppl call him god in his village which frankly does not matter since in comparison madara clearly has the advantage but its ur opinion so go with it.

Ok, I agreed that destraction an attack brings doesnt end the ight. but If itachi and Pain are in the Chuninarena, thirty feet from each other and Pain uses the giant form of shinraa tensei, Itachi is digged under tons of damaged houses and earth, blown away. Maybe alive maybe dead. Even using Susanoo wont help cause susanoo just block direct hits. If youre blown away by that godtechnique (just the technique is godlike, not the user. Shinraa tensei blows anything exept kyuubi or maybe other tailed beasts away, without any hope of the victims to resist.

You got that much speed, that the landings on the ground are very dangerous. susanoo does not protect from hard hits that smack you away.
The weakness is that you are just protected for so long, you still have your feet on the floor.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

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-Kabuto adding Itachi to his Capture list

what other things?

 

[arv993]

Nope they won't all be caught, this was seen against J-man. Because only the paths that heard the frogs were able to see themselves in the genjutsu. Also y wud he do eye contact if he knows Itachi can use tsukiyomi. As soon as he sees the eye change shape, he wud tell his path to surround him while he cast chibaku, then one of the paths wud be caught because the path was surrounding Deva. Once the chibaku tensei is running Itachi dies.

itachi can start off with ms not necessarily have to go change and the eye contact pretty much does it no path can rally stop or really come in the way that fast and block genjutsu which is pretty much instant. ANd CT by pain is not fast enough. there are actually ways both can win but it depends on the info they have on each other and a lot of other variables. Like if itachi had no idea about apin he would almost certainly lose especially if he fought him like he did against jiraya like where he hid others and came out in the end but the knowledge he has currentlly is sufficient or if head full knowledge i say itachi can more or less take it. and also if u notice it was only after jiraya released the genjutsu did the other paths actually come so u never kno one genjutsu might get them all since they share the same vision.

 

[kadowade]

Nope they won't all be caught, this was seen against J-man. Because only the paths that heard the frogs were able to see themselves in the genjutsu. Also y wud he do eye contact if he knows Itachi can use tsukiyomi. As soon as he sees the eye change shape, he wud tell his path to surround him while he cast chibaku, then one of the paths wud be caught because the path was surrounding Deva. Once the chibaku tensei is running Itachi dies.

Theres no proof Pain knows about Tsukiyomi. He may know about Amaterasu.
How will he know about Tsukiyomi, wouldnt he have to experience it himself.

Besides Pain can't use Chibaku Tensei, while using all 6 paths. That why he took away all paths except for Deva Path, to use Chibaku tensei. PLus he has to be extremely close to the "real" Nagato. ALl his chakra and focus is directed toward deva path when he uses Chibaku tensei ,he even told Konan, "hush i have to focus" (something like that). And theres no way Nagato can focus, while controlling all 6 paths PLus his paths would be destroyed if he uses Chibaku tensei while their present. He uses all his chakra for DEva path so that it can peform his strongest move, Chibaku tensei