SM Naruto vs MS Sasuke

[MinatoFLASH]

Here are the pros and cons of each -

SM Naruto - Insane speed, super strength, increased durability, increased chakra potency, rasenshuriken, frog katas, can sense chakras in a huge area like a village.

MS Sasuke - Weak version of Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Susanoo without the legendary weapons (hopefully he never gets them).

Those are just the bonuses given by their modes, I wasn't going to label all of their normal abilities.

Now for the detriments caused by each mode.

SM Naruto - Five minute intervals up to twenty minutes, unless he can pause in battle.
limits the number of clones he can make in the normal battle. Those are basically the only negatives of SM.

MS Sasuke - deteriorating vision, intense pain caused by Susanoo, bleeding eyes. No bonuses to speed and strength like Naruto has.


EDIT: Naruto in sage mode is infinitely faster than Sasuke and Sasuke was able to dodge a few Amaterasus shot at him by Itachi. So Amaterasu would only be a problem if Naruto is just standing there talking to Sasuke. The only advantage that Sasuke has is his genjutsu. The Susanoo arrows shouldn't be too much of a problem to dodge for SM Naruto. And I think Naruto's rasenshuriken might be able to tear up the Susanoo depending on which stage it is at.

Ms sasuke he has a better defense, and has faster attacks he can get naruto with his arrows or amaterasu. And he also has the option of genjutsu. MS sasuke was superior until naruto got Km which changed everything around. Sm naruto isawesome but ms sasuke has the right tools to beat him and naruto greatly needed speed to counter it and now he got that with KM.

Well both of u have brought up some good points. But I go with SM Naruto or draw.

Well look, as Itachi Namikaze said, amatarasu wud not be the problem. Also Sasoonu arrows wud probably not either because he has clones, durability and probably other defense jutsu. Now as for genjutsu, it would not work as a matter of fact, Naruto cud put Sasuke in a genjutsu because of Ma and Pa. Genjutsu wud not work on Naruto because Ma and Pa can release him and also SM is immune to genjutsu, why? Because genjutsu is gone if there is an outer chakra source that disrupts it. Basically what SM is. In SM the energy of nature is coming in u, to go into SM u actually gather nature energy. The nature chakra will break the genjutsu. The only way Sasuke cud beat Naruto is if he gets him with an amatarasu or arrows but by then he wud be out of chakra himself that is why Kishi said they are equal in power. Also rasenshuriken can pierce through Sasuke's susanoo its not that powerful. So yea, its draw or SM Naruto.

 

[arv993]

How do some of you think that SM Naruto is not fast enough to dodge Amaterasu, did any of you see the Pain/Naruto fight? Or Naruto/ 3rd raikage?

And Sasuke was able to dodge 2 Amaterasus shot at him by Itachi, who is much faster and better than Sasuke, so I am 100% sure that unless Naruto was just standing like a slack jawed idiot, he could dodge Amaterasu every time.

naruto is not that much faster than sasuke in Sm, but i do think he can dodge amaterasu but not continuously and ur missing a key part when u say sasuke dodged it but he was caught by it almost immediately afterwards. he did not show amazing speed feats in pain fight and naruto dodging 3rd raikage's attack was precisely lanned but does show some speed but also sasuke did the same to 4th raikage if u recall.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

dude naruto is not insanely fast by any terms he can dodge attacks and has a better sense of his surroundings in SM not super speed. kakshi who is decently fast guy could not move at all from the arrows and had to use kamui, naruto in SM is not that much faster than sasuke or kakashi and also remmeber that sasuke can shoot one to two of them at a time i do not see naruto continually avoiding such a fast attack with only SM

Naruto is not that fast? Should I show you where he flies by Sasuke whilst in Sage Mode? Sasuke has no time to really do anything even though Sasuke had already started his attack to hit Sakura.

Also go back and look at the Pain fight, Naruto is hundreds of feet away and then instantly kills Asura path before it can hit Tsunade.

SM Naruto is very very fast, it is just that KM Naruto is the fastest character. So if you are comparing them then yes SM is nothing to KM but SM naruto is still one of the fastest characters behind the 4th raikage and Minato, and is probably on par with Guy in the 7th gate.

 

[The unicorn]

Zetsu and Madara stated that Naruto SM was stronger than Sasuke MS

zetsu said 'he could be stringer than you sasuke'

*********s caught on fire

 

[Lord Snow]

is u guys look in the wiki it says naruto is now able to keep up wiith sasuke. and i think if itachi wanted to hit sasuke with ameterasu he would of. sasuke speed is incredible, did u see what he did when he fought deidera or how fast he got in to the 5 kage summit room

 

[arv993]

Well both of u have brought up some good points. But I go with SM Naruto or draw.

Well look, as Itachi Namikaze said, amatarasu wud not be the problem. Also Sasoonu arrows wud probably not either because he has clones, durability and probably other defense jutsu. Now as for genjutsu, it would not work as a matter of fact, Naruto cud put Sasuke in a genjutsu because of Ma and Pa. Genjutsu wud not work on Naruto because Ma and Pa can release him and also SM is immune to genjutsu, why? Because genjutsu is gone if there is an outer chakra source that disrupts it. Basically what SM is. In SM the energy of nature is coming in u, to go into SM u actually gather nature energy. The nature chakra will break the genjutsu. The only way Sasuke cud beat Naruto is if he gets him with an amatarasu or arrows but by then he wud be out of chakra himself that is why Kishi said they are equal in power. Also rasenshuriken can pierce through Sasuke's susanoo its not that powerful. So yea, its draw or SM Naruto.

did u forget that sharingan can tell the differences between a clone and the real person. amaterasu is a problem if used continually but naruto can deal with it IMo but arrows are diffrent they are faster and more effective at killing the person fast if sasuke can use back to back like he did against kakashi i think he can get naruto with it. sasuke has decently enough chakra to pull that off, he might not be a chakra monster like A, nagato, and naruto
but he has enough to use all his attacks for quite some time.

 

[arv993]

Naruto is not that fast? Should I show you where he flies by Sasuke whilst in Sage Mode? Sasuke has no time to really do anything even though Sasuke had already started his attack to hit Sakura.

Also go back and look at the Pain fight, Naruto is hundreds of feet away and then instantly kills Asura path before it can hit Tsunade.

SM Naruto is very very fast, it is just that KM Naruto is the fastest character. So if you are comparing them then yes SM is nothing to KM but SM naruto is still one of the fastest characters behind the 4th raikage and Minato, and is probably on par with Guy in the 7th gate.

he is fast but not insanely fast as u portray him he is like itachi lvl if not a bit higher but if he was really that fast he would have had less trouble with the other paths and yes he does have some speed feats but nothing really that allows him to continually dodge some of the fastest attacks like arrows and amaterasu multiple times. and dude i agree with u that naruto is fast but just not insane him flying past sasuke is called the element of surprise and just getting there in time however fast but not necessarily something u call insanely fast, its like saying asura path is insanely fast for blocking kakashi's attack when he was about to hit deva path. he is fast but not at the lvl to dodge really fast attacks back to back.

 

[NamkazeNaruto]

zetsu said 'he could be stringer than you sasuke'

*********s caught on fire

Stronger*


and then madara insisted that Sasuke follows him to the summit , thus admitting it

and then ofcourse comes the part where Sasuke agreed to follow madara


CHICKEN !

 

[Blaze Release]

Sasuke takes this. Naruto might have speed and strength on his side, but in terms of ninjutsu and defense sasuke has the upper hand

 

[CHIDORI 911]

Sasuke wins but just barely because for one thing naruto might hav a hard time even fighting against sasuke but another thing is that since he has itachis eyes he has a bunch of the same abilities and all. So sasuke has 2 unmissable hits he can use Kirin, and Amaterasu i think naruto will have trouble along with the unmistakably pwn of genjutsu sasuke can use. But even past that naruto has his newfound speed and he can use multiple rasenshurikens so i can also see naruto winning but the only that that entirely blows all that away is Itachis susanoo which sasuke has gone and upgraded into susanoo's final version. So thats why i think sasuke would beat him but he would still have a tough time getting past narutos defense and offense skills.

 

[NamkazeNaruto]

Sasuke takes this. Naruto might have speed and strength on his side, but in terms of ninjutsu and defense sasuke has the upper hand

using what you think is a "smart language" ( dont deny it you think by sounding smart you will convince others more ) wont really give you anything , bring me evidence that Sasuke can defeat pain , Madara said he was not on Pain's level yet . After zetsu Stated that Naruto is Stronger

 

[arv993]

using what you think is a "smart language" ( dont deny it you think by sounding smart you will convince others more ) wont really give you anything , bring me evidence that Sasuke can defeat pain , Madara said he was not on Pain's level yet . After zetsu Stated that Naruto is Stronger

don't take every word in the manga as the absolute truthif u compare their abilities in a head on fight sasuke is more likely to win and u forget that when zetsu was talking about sasuke he did not see his progress with sussano and amaterasu which changes everything, he was comparing them to the fullest because sasuke at that point did not possess all the powers from his MS yet. and also for ur statement naruto himself said he can't beat sasuke what do u have to say to that.

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[MinatoFLASH]

Naruto is not that fast? Should I show you where he flies by Sasuke whilst in Sage Mode? Sasuke has no time to really do anything even though Sasuke had already started his attack to hit Sakura.

Also go back and look at the Pain fight, Naruto is hundreds of feet away and then instantly kills Asura path before it can hit Tsunade.

SM Naruto is very very fast, it is just that KM Naruto is the fastest character. So if you are comparing them then yes SM is nothing to KM but SM naruto is still one of the fastest characters behind the 4th raikage and Minato, and is probably on par with Guy in the 7th gate.

Yea hes fast but not on par with 7th gate guy, maybe 5th gate. look watch this is just 6th gate Guy.

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did u forget that sharingan can tell the differences between a clone and the real person. amaterasu is a problem if used continually but naruto can deal with it IMo but arrows are diffrent they are faster and more effective at killing the person fast if sasuke can use back to back like he did against kakashi i think he can get naruto with it. sasuke has decently enough chakra to pull that off, he might not be a chakra monster like A, nagato, and naruto
but he has enough to use all his attacks for quite some time.

Sharingan telling difference won't really help, he can just send a clone to get in the way and yes the clones also move very fast. And rasenshuriken can break Susanoo (of MS Sasuke).

 

[Blaze Release]

using what you think is a "smart language" ( dont deny it you think by sounding smart you will convince others more ) wont really give you anything , bring me evidence that Sasuke can defeat pain , Madara said he was not on Pain's level yet . After zetsu Stated that Naruto is Stronger

Ive already explained my reasons why sasuke will beat naruto in previous threads, i cannot be bothered to type all that again. If you want you can read my previous posts.

Anyway if it wasnt for the fox naruto wouldve been captured, therefore you cannot really say that naruto defeated pein, even after peins had used alot of chakra already and naruto having info on his abilities, he still didnt defeat pein and neither can sasuke.

The reason zetsu said what he said is because pein was 'defeated' by naruto, thats why he said what he did and tbh that holds no substance because naruto didnt defeat pein and also he hadnt seen ms sasuke, the only sasuke fight he saw was, sasuke vs itachi

 

[arv993]

Yea hes fast but not on par with 7th gate guy, maybe 5th gate. look watch this is just 6th gate Guy.

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Sharingan telling difference won't really help, he can just send a clone to get in the way and yes the clones also move very fast. And rasenshuriken can break Susanoo (of MS Sasuke).

why won't it help he would only target the real naruto getting in the way is almost useless dude do u think a naruto clone can go and get in the way of a really fast arrow that is aimed toward the real naruto?, and rasen-shuriken won't likely beat a fully shielded sussano cos if u think about it a sussano stopped a kirin why can it not stop a rasen-shuriken? Naruto with Km however is a much different story

 

[MinatoFLASH]

Naruto is not that fast? Should I show you where he flies by Sasuke whilst in Sage Mode? Sasuke has no time to really do anything even though Sasuke had already started his attack to hit Sakura.

Also go back and look at the Pain fight, Naruto is hundreds of feet away and then instantly kills Asura path before it can hit Tsunade.

SM Naruto is very very fast, it is just that KM Naruto is the fastest character. So if you are comparing them then yes SM is nothing to KM but SM naruto is still one of the fastest characters behind the 4th raikage and Minato, and is probably on par with Guy in the 7th gate.

Yea hes fast but not on par with 7th gate guy, maybe 5th gate. look watch this is just 6th gate Guy.

did u forget that sharingan can tell the differences between a clone and the real person. amaterasu is a problem if used continually but naruto can deal with it IMo but arrows are diffrent they are faster and more effective at killing the person fast if sasuke can use back to back like he did against kakashi i think he can get naruto with it. sasuke has decently enough chakra to pull that off, he might not be a chakra monster like A, nagato, and naruto
but he has enough to use all his attacks for quite some time.

Sharingan telling difference won't really help, he can just send a clone to get in the way and yes the clones also move very fast. And rasenshuriken can break Susanoo (of MS Sasuke).

 

[Turson]

Ms sasuke he has a better defense, and has faster attacks he can get naruto with his arrows or amaterasu. And he also has the option of genjutsu. MS sasuke was superior until naruto got Km which changed everything around. Sm naruto isawesome but ms sasuke has the right tools to beat him and naruto greatly needed speed to counter it and now he got that with KM.

Not so long ago I would write the same thing you did, but there is one important factor - its really unlikely that Sasuke would use Susanoo or Amaterasu at the beginning of battle. Most likely, he and Naruto would clash into some close range combat at first. Where Im going with this? Well, basically, Frog Katas is ideal weapon against Sharingan users. Sasuke would be able to dodge Narutos body, but he wouldnt be able to see natural energy (since Sharingan can only see chakra, not natural energy), which makes range of Narutos punches greater, and we know that Sasuke without Susanoo is no tank, single blow would be enough to kill him.
In short, if it is battle without knowledge battle most probably wouldnt even last a minute and Naruto would be a winner, even though he has no counter against Amaterasu, if it is battle with full knowledge Sasuke wins.

 

[Strata Uchiha]

MS Sasuke will underestimate SM Naruto, and that will be his biggest downfall. He'll "dodge" his moves, but what he doesn't know is that SM Naruto doesn't have to actually hit you to land a critical blow.

Plus, Sasuke spams Susano wayyyyy too much! Did you see that when he battled the Kages? If it weren't for Madara and Zetsu, Sasuke would have been toast along with Taka!

 

[MinatoFLASH]

why won't it help he would only target the real naruto getting in the way is almost useless dude do u think a naruto clone can go and get in the way of a really fast arrow that is aimed toward the real naruto?, and rasen-shuriken won't likely beat a fully shielded sussano cos if u think about it a sussano stopped a kirin why can it not stop a rasen-shuriken? Naruto with Km however is a much different story

Yes I think Naruto cud defend against it and by the time he gets hit by it Sasuke wud be out of chakra thats y Kishi said they are equal. Also this is Sasuke's Susanoo not Itachi's, Itachi's susanoo cud probably block rasenshurken but def not Sasuke's. Danzo's jutsu pierced it and its not anything to RASENSHURIKEN.

 

[GermanViet]

I think Kage Bunshin no Jutsu was a perfect clone..
Even the Byakugan couldn't tell which one was the real one... (and the Byakugan can see through more things than the Sharingan.. However Sharingan is overall better)

Kage Bunshin no Jutsu creates a real body..