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Alright I have seriously had enough of seeing these kind of matches and results...

I recently I have been looking threw matches after matches and have noticed something that annoys me to no end, and that is someone winning or losing by technicalities.

The fact that someone is incapable of judging for themselves if a move is valid or not can be troublesome but to the extent of someone constantly running to a RP mod to validate someone's actions that you are fighting against is just pure bull shit and cowardice.

Obtaining a win threw technicalities is nothing, there is no skill there is nothing gained from it other than showing people that you are incapable of judging it for yourself and lack an imagination.

So what I suggest that should be done about this is.....in an tournament match or a bio test match or what have you. If you ask for validation of an opponents move from an outside source more than 3 times (and failed to prove them wrong all 3 times) should either lose or be incapable of asking for validation just so they can attempt to win threw technicalities.

It pisses me off to no end to see that the only ones here with a battle sense are us old timers while you newer rookies do nothing more than stay far away throwing nukes at one another and if your incapable of judging you run to a mod just to get them to make the final verdict of the match....which in the end result takes the fun out of the RP.

Now another thing that annoys me but is not quite as long or as much....

What you rookies call "Official" Matches. Where participants are restricted to only using the 5 basic elements, nin, tai, and genjutsu's.........There is Nothing official about that kind of match absolutely nothing that is what I consider a "Restriction" Match. A Truly "Official" match is when the participants are using everything they know and is an all out battle with 0 restrictions to what one can use.

Please do not post in this thread just stating
"I agree" or something to that degree, shows us that your nothing more than a novice rookie just trying to up their post count. Elaborate what you think.

I agree with some points you made but with others i have to disagree. It would be quite impossible to set that "3 failed times" rule and it would prove quite difficult to enforce with the mods as you would need many more mods to check all fights and keep tabs on those times and etc etc etc.

New generation is different from the old one in many ways. In this i agree. Most new gen don't actually think by themselves and keep resorting to vomiting jutsu to their opponent rather than using the jutsu. But we must not forget that most old generation members also assume that their moves are mostly correct and sometimes even appear to have a sense that they are above the rules or above logic just because of their experience or their past accomplishments. I'm not saying its your case (and i know it isn't) but i think you know what i'm refering to. Most new gens feel a bit threatened and try to overcompensate by going to mods instead of talking directly with their opponent.

Its not the right way to do things but in a sense i get why it happens. However, winning a battle for a technicality doesn't have much value or gain you respect or makes you be seen as a skillful fighter but its still a win. Otherwise why would rules exist? If you break a rule, then you lose. Its quite simple. Breaking a rule by stating you use your sharingan to see a jutsu happening behind you when you are looking ahead or breaking a rule because you make 4 moves in a turn, etc...These are still breaking rules no matter how you look at it. The thing is that you should always talk to your opponent before actually running to a mod or judge or whatever. Then if you can't get to a conclusion get a mods opinion. Simple.

The thing lacking in the RP is manners, etiquette, respect. If you don't agree with someones move, why do people keep resorting to mods and senseis? Why not simply talk to your opponent? Why not vm and try to sort it out? Its rude and disrespectful and in that i agree that most members aren't adequate in the way they resolve these things. But this isn't a problem confined to the New Gen...

As for official matches the way i see it is that a spar is defined as a fight between two ninjas but the objective is to learn, train and better your skills, rather than winning. An unofficial battle is when two ninjas fight to win but outside the village system like when you challenge a friend to a match to win. An official battle comes as a result of some official village or RP business with the obvious objective of winning. Tests (Bio, Sensei, etc) are always Official as are tournaments and other matches set as a RP event. But in my humble opinion it has nothing to do with the rules of the match itself. These can be whatever you want as long as agreed by both fighters.

 
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Alright I have seriously had enough of seeing these kind of matches and results...

I recently I have been looking threw matches after matches and have noticed something that annoys me to no end, and that is someone winning or losing by technicalities.

The fact that someone is incapable of judging for themselves if a move is valid or not can be troublesome but to the extent of someone constantly running to a RP mod to validate someone's actions that you are fighting against is just pure bull shit and cowardice.

Obtaining a win threw technicalities is nothing, there is no skill there is nothing gained from it other than showing people that you are incapable of judging it for yourself and lack an imagination.

So what I suggest that should be done about this is.....in an tournament match or a bio test match or what have you. If you ask for validation of an opponents move from an outside source more than 3 times (and failed to prove them wrong all 3 times) should either lose or be incapable of asking for validation just so they can attempt to win threw technicalities.

It pisses me off to no end to see that the only ones here with a battle sense are us old timers while you newer rookies do nothing more than stay far away throwing nukes at one another and if your incapable of judging you run to a mod just to get them to make the final verdict of the match....which in the end result takes the fun out of the RP.

Now another thing that annoys me but is not quite as long or as much....

What you rookies call "Official" Matches. Where participants are restricted to only using the 5 basic elements, nin, tai, and genjutsu's.........There is Nothing official about that kind of match absolutely nothing that is what I consider a "Restriction" Match. A Truly "Official" match is when the participants are using everything they know and is an all out battle with 0 restrictions to what one can use.

Please do not post in this thread just stating
"I agree" or something to that degree, shows us that your nothing more than a novice rookie just trying to up their post count. Elaborate what you think.
Kinda ironic that you want to get rid of wins by technicalities yet you want to punish someone with a loss by a technicality xd, but I see what you mean man. I hate it when people say that you can't argue a mods decision, because they don't know it all (if I may be so bold) and sometimes they contradict what other mods say because they all have their own opinions on the matter. I get what your saying man, not much you can do about it though :/
 
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i do partly agree with what you said, dispite being a 'rookie'
winning by technicality isnt fun it completely defeats the point of a fight
if fighting someone and they loose by technicality (without having a sensie or mods opinion) i find the fight to have been a waste of time
and when someone accuses you of loosing via technicality the extreme lengths they go to, to prove it is plain daft, i think people should learn to think and fight for themselves and just get over the fact that they do things wrong, and then try again to get it right.

when it comes to the rules you wanna instate though, i think that would be quite impossible
 

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i do partly agree with what you said, dispite being a 'rookie'
winning by technicality isnt fun it completely defeats the point of a fight
if fighting someone and they loose by technicality (without having a sensie or mods opinion) i find the fight to have been a waste of time
and when someone accuses you of loosing via technicality the extreme lengths they go to, to prove it is plain daft, i think people should learn to think and fight for themselves and just get over the fact that they do things wrong, and then try again to get it right.

when it comes to the rules you wanna instate though, i think that would be quite impossible
yeah this reminds me you and me vs pervy even though i made an invaild move he continued the macth ( we still got our a*s's kicked though xd)
 

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First off I would like to say that I have been guilty of going to Mods/Senseis on occassions to judge a fight or explain a move. Most of the time it is due to my inexperience, but I have been right on several of those. All I know is that with each one, I learn from it and won't repeat my mistakes. So I agree with you that it can be abused, but I disagree that it is not effective in use. A small technicality like handseals and time frame.......(as I'm sure you have recently noticed Zanji), can cause a person to lose a fight.......IF and ONLY IF:

RPer1 made a move
RPer2 counters
RPer1 made a mistake causing RPer2 to win after a Mods judgement. If RPer2 hasn't posted a counter to even which to argue that they won because of RPer1's mistake then I say RPer1 fix the post and continue on with the fight.


or

RPer1 made a move
RPer2 counters
RPer2 countered incorrectly
RPer1 posts again and then wins due to the technicality.


I have been a member of NB on off and on again for a little over a year. I think that the problem here goes down to training as one fault. No No No, I'm not saying people are training IMPROPERLY, but not COMPLETELY. You teach the jutsus, you explain what they are and how they can be used, but there are VERY FEW threads that contain actual battle strategy/tactics. If we aren't learning it from you guys (I myself as you know Zanji have come to YOU as well as a few others like Bishamonsama and Liliana just to name a couple in search of help with such) then its as if we are forced to do it on our own. Which, overall is not a bad idea, gaining your own way of fighting, but causes everyone to go through the trial and error phase, seeing what works and what doesnt. what is allowed and what isnt.
I could tie this in with Personal Students as well, for I feel that all people that have become personal students to a sensei, are the people that are actually getting Battle Strategy training, and are the only ones given complete training and will be better off than the rest.

Also the bolded below
He's so right, it pisses me off. :|

On the real note, I agree with Zanji, mostly. I don't think people should win on technicalities, I think that if you don't make the proper defense, then you should take damage. I mean, why is the damage sub-line in a jutsu for anyway? The way RP is today, if you get hit by a jutsu, it's a auto kill. WTF? If thats how everyone is going to RP, then we have to take the damage sub-line out of the jutsu. And also we have to take out the Health Points also. On the mod decision thing, I think that 2 mods and 2 senseis, should be able to put all their opinions in a thread. Who ever provides the most evidence and relativity to their side of the argument, should have the fight swayed to their decision. But that brings me back to the Damage Sub-line, if a justu has a damge line, then it shouldn't kill you, or end a match so easily.
And can we please make it so that people can't toss nukes all day. Make a number usage for each rank please?

D and C Rank - Infinite times per battle
B and A Rank - 20 Times per Battle
S Rank - 10 Times per battle
Forbidden - 2-3 times per battle

(Increase the amount per rank of course as you will be able to use more with your increase in chakra as well as above is just an example.)

And can we find a way to count Chakra and Heath points of a person please?
 
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This is so true, their nothing official about a match that you only use 5 elements, tai, nin and genjutsu's that's nothing official. Like Zanji said an official match is all out, everything you know is allow, that's an official match.
You just completely copied what he said, just in poor grammar.
 

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First off I would like to say that I have been guilty of going to Mods/Senseis on occassions to judge a fight or explain a move. Most of the time it is due to my inexperience, but I have been right on several of those. All I know is that with each one, I learn from it and won't repeat my mistakes. So I agree with you that it can be abused, but I disagree that it is not effective in use. A small technicality like handseals and time frame.......(as I'm sure you have recently noticed Zanji), can cause a person to lose a fight.......IF and ONLY IF:

RPer1 made a move
RPer2 counters
RPer1 made a mistake causing RPer2 to win after a Mods judgement. If RPer2 hasn't posted a counter to even which to argue that they won because of RPer1's mistake then I say RPer1 fix the post and continue on with the fight.


or

RPer1 made a move
RPer2 counters
RPer2 countered incorrectly
RPer1 posts again and then wins due to the technicality.


I have been a member of NB on off and on again for a little over a year. I think that the problem here goes down to training as one fault. No No No, I'm not saying people are training IMPROPERLY, but not COMPLETELY. You teach the jutsus, you explain what they are and how they can be used, but there are VERY FEW threads that contain actual battle strategy/tactics. If we aren't learning it from you guys (I myself as you know Zanji have come to YOU as well as a few others like Bishamonsama and Liliana just to name a couple in search of help with such) then its as if we are forced to do it on our own. Which, overall is not a bad idea, gaining your own way of fighting, but causes everyone to go through the trial and error phase, seeing what works and what doesnt. what is allowed and what isnt.
I could tie this in with Personal Students as well, for I feel that all people that have become personal students to a sensei, are the people that are actually getting Battle Strategy training, and are the only ones given complete training and will be better off than the rest.

Also the bolded below
ree'ed i to went threw this trail and error phhase ( still am) but after many battles i have gotten much better and found my own way to battle ( i on;y go to a mod if reallyed needed and can't come to an agreement with openent)
 

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You just completely copied what he said, just in poor grammar.
Lol. Rep.

Anyway, this whole argument is really a non-issue, imo. Sorry, Zanji, but I can't help but think you're just angry because you lost over a technicality. But shit happens--sometimes to the best of us. :shrug:

Edit: Gotta spread some rep around before I give you any more. >_>
 

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I completely agree with you. When I "win" on technicalities (aka, my opponent being an idiot, not me asking about it multiple times), I don't count it as a real win. It's not. It's just a piece of sh... eet metal. I think that the whole thing of people winning this way is stupid and should be considered an offense against the RPG rules, such as being banned from tournaments and RPG temporarily, not jut an infraction. I mean, come on people, win with pride, not by being a b!tch.

Also, realize, there is a difference between a novice and a noob. A novice is someone who is competent, but new to a topic. A noob is, well, a noob. A nincompoop. A b!tchslap earner. You get the point.
 

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No offence, but what do you gain from making this thread?

If you mess up and someone sees that, you lose, get over it.

I lost the wind sword on a technicality and i didn't make a thread about it.

Is this just because you lost in the MS tournament to yard this way?

Asking for 3 checks isn't needed if you mess up the first time right. No edits is there to make you think more.

Meh
 
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I completely agree with you. When I "win" on technicalities (aka, my opponent being an idiot, not me asking about it multiple times), I don't count it as a real win. It's not. It's just a piece of sh... eet metal. I think that the whole thing of people winning this way is stupid and should be considered an offense against the RPG rules, such as being banned from tournaments and RPG temporarily, not jut an infraction. I mean, come on people, win with pride, not by being a b!tch.

Also, realize, there is a difference between a novice and a noob. A novice is someone who is competent, but new to a topic. A noob is, well, a noob. A nincompoop. A b!tchslap earner. You get the point.
Are you joking? Banning someone from the RP just because they called out someone over a technicality?

Smh.
 

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D: You took the words right outta my mouth. :eek:
That's one of my specialties, see more on private. ;)
No offence, but what do you gain from making this thread?

If you mess up and someone sees that, you lose, get over it.

I lost the wind sword on a technicality and i didn't make a thread about it.

Is this just because you lost in the MS tournament to yard this way?

Asking for 3 checks isn't needed if you mess up the first time right. No edits is there to make you think more.

Meh
Zanji must be jelly, also could someone link me to the thread?
 

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I completely agree with you. When I "win" on technicalities (aka, my opponent being an idiot, not me asking about it multiple times), I don't count it as a real win. It's not. It's just a piece of sh... eet metal. I think that the whole thing of people winning this way is stupid and should be considered an offense against the RPG rules, such as being banned from tournaments and RPG temporarily, not jut an infraction. I mean, come on people, win with pride, not by being a b!tch.

Also, realize, there is a difference between a novice and a noob. A novice is someone who is competent, but new to a topic. A noob is, well, a noob. A nincompoop. A b!tchslap earner. You get the point.
So you want to ban someone... because they called you out on a technicality... and they were right? O_O If I'm reading this thread correctly, one of the main things about it is being a bit more mature about battles and not complaining over every little thing. However, what you just suggested is quite possibly one of the most immature and power abusive things that I've ever heard on this site, which makes your post agreeing with him rather contradicting. .-. No offense intended lol.
 
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