The legendary sanin vs Itachi and Saskue

[Guildmage]

(Sasuke's) Tsukuyomi - Can at least catch them in it for a little while. Just enough to throw them off.

(Sasuke's) Susanoo - Danzo had to use a summon and an A rank wind jutsu to make a hole in an incomplete Susanoo. Afterwards he got the completed version against Kakashi but he went blind. So an almost absolute defense with very fast arrows. Fast enough so Kakashi couldn't dodge.

(Itachi's) Susanoo - unbeatable as long as it is up. He has the ultimate defense with the Yata mirror and the Totsuka sword. All of the summoning would easily be sealed with Itachi's Susanoo. aPlus you can't hurt him while in there.

(Itachi's) Tsukuyomi - Unbeatable, no one can break out of it except for Sasuke or possibly Madara, immense trauma to the brain and body. It only lasts one second so how are they going to defend against this? Look at his feet the whole time? That leads to my next point.

(Both) Amaterasu - Only Oro has a defense against this as he can regenerate any body part if he cuts off the burning part. If Jiraiya or Tsunade is hit they are done for or they can cut off their limbs, without which they would lose easily. And if they don't look at Itachi's or Sasuke's eyes then they can't see if Amaterasu is coming can they? NO

Itachi's regular genjutsu - Strong enough to beat Oro, and Deidara, and Sasuke with. How can they break out of a genjutsu if they don't know that they are in it? Answer me that. And don't say oh the others can break them out because guess what? They would either be in a genjutsu or not know that their teammate was in one. What are they going to do, hold hands to check their chakras?

Fire jutsu - The Uchiha are fire masters and only Jiraiya uses fire as well, Oro uses wind which guess what? Is weak to fire. Tsunade has not shown any elements yet I think.

Speed - Both Itachi and Sasuke are normally faster than any of the Sannin, Itachi is way way faster than them. Plus they have the sharingan which helps a ton in taijutsu. If you don't believe me look up the normal sharingan abilities.

Sharingan bonuses - ability to copy and memorize jutsu, and see chakra, and track movement, and predict where the opponent will be.

Chakra - Sasuke has alot, Itachi apparently had more than Sasuke did even with his Curse Mark and Itachi was sick. So no BS about Itachi having low chakra.

Intelligence - Itachi is easily the smartest of the five with Jiraiya and Oro probably coming in second and third. In battle I would think Sasuke is smarter than Tsunade.

Summonings - Slug, Snake, Toad, Hawk. However the summonings don't really factor in as they could be beaten easily with Susanoo. No way are any of the toads or Katsuya faster than Kakashi and he couldn't dodge that Susanoo arrow and Itachi has the Totsuka sword which is an automatic seal if it pierces you at all. One slash and you are toast.

And I read some posts saying that Tsunade can heal people from the damage from Tsukuyomi. How fast do you think she can do that? If it isn't instantly then she would pretty much be toast because neither Sasuke or Itachi is going to let her sit there and heal them. In fact her healing abilities wouldn't make any difference at all unless everyone decided to take a break and sit there and rest. Because I know she can't heal them in the middle of fighting. It is unrealistic and the people who think that it would happen are deluding themselves

Tsunade wouldn't be able to do a single thing against either Itachi or Sasuke, they have the sharingan which tracks movement and predicts it, so her super strength counts for nothing if she can't hit him. And if a weak Kabuto from Part 1 can avoid her hits then Sasuke and Itachi easily can.

Jiraiya the only argument coming from this corner is that Itachi said he would stalemate against him. Which we all know is total BS. His weakness is genjutsu and Itachi is a master of it. None of the Sannin have a defense against genjutsu and there is no way to know if your partner is in a genjutsu unless they start doing weird stuff. Plus Itachi has Amaterasu which Jiraiya has no defense against unless he wants to start tearing off body parts.

Orochimaru, his main weakness is cockiness and genjutsu. He is the only one with a defense against Amaterasu but Itachi would still wreck him. Or Sasuke with MS, I don't know if anybody saw Itachi fight Oro (twice) but he beat him both times withing seconds and one of those times he was dying of disease and out of chakra. Plus his element is wind and wind is weak against fire (something both Sasuke and itachi are proficient with).


Make valid counterarguments please. DO IT. How would the Sannin win? They can't beat them. A more valid battle would be Itachi vs. the Sannin or Sasuke vs. any combination of two of the Sannin, then they might stand a chance.


EDIT: And I also read that someone thinks Tsunade has a defense against Amaterasu, well you would be wrong. She can heal herself but that uses a ton of her chakra and Amaterasu doesn't stop burning until whatever it touches is completely burnt. So healing herself after she was burnt to a crisp wouldn't do much good, and healing herself while it was still burning would be useless as the Amaterasu would still be burning her. It isn't like it is just going to go out on it's own. Jiraiya could seal it but that takes alot of time which either Sasuke or Itachi would use to kill the two of them.

So yeah Jiraiya and Tsunade still don't have a defense against Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi, other than dodging and looking away from their eyes which would make them susceptible to either one or the other of those two MS techniques.

If they dodge Amaterasu they are more likely to accidentally make eye contact as they are struggling to dodge, if they look at their feet to avoid eye contact they will never see Amaterasu coming and so would be finished either way. That is why it the MS is so powerful, you have to be either incredibly fast or be an Uchiha named Sasuke so you can brave Tsukuyomi and break out of it.

For TSUKUYOMI, first Itachi needs to aim at their eyes, and that's not an easy task. specially when you face a speed monster such as oro, and like i said before, with a Tsunade using Katsuyu to dispel chakra regularly, Genjutsu SPECIALLY TSUKUYOMI would be a hard task as for oro. Jiraiya, you still need to aim at his eyes to make him fall in Tsukuyomi and with katsuyu giving chakra it is still easy to break NORMAL GENJUTSU.

For Sasuke's Susanoo, you just said it, It took one summon and A rank wind ninjutsu. BUT CHECK OUT THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 3 BIG FROGS, 1 MANDA, 1 YAMATA OROCH, 1 ACID THROWING (AND AS SEEN ON MIZUKAGE VS SASUKE FIGHT) susanoo bones can be melted.

For Itachi Susanoo, if it is that almighty, how can he block dark swamp jutsu?
, IF HE JUMPS HE IS EASY TARGET IN MID AIR. And including the fact that it's not only 3 sannins but all of their summons. Tsunade through katsuyu constantly infusing chakra to the summons and sannins can prevent genjutsu from controlling them. Susanoo is just like an extension of the caster himself. So it is still 2 vs sannins and all of their summons (pretty hard fight if you tell me)

Amaterasu, oro has his technique to escape from it. Tsunade has her Souzo Saisei. Enough to heal her while she burns, giving her enough time to at least catch one of the two bros and with just touching one of them the fire will be passed too. Remember we are counting the summons too, and that amaterasu simply destroys BIG portion of chakra which they don't have. Like it was said before in Naruto season 2 I think it was when Itachi WAS HEALTHY, He could only use 2 Tsukuyomi and 1 amaterasu. In Naruto shippuden when fighting Sasuke he could only do 1 Tsukuyomi and two amaterasu. One big one that followed sasuke, 1 that countered sasuke's katon jutsu. So they don't have a chance to spam it easily now that they need their chakra seriously.

Chakra? too bad Sasuke doesn't has his Curse Mark anymore. Itachi chakra we already know it's limits. INCLUDING BOTH OF THE BROTHER'S STAMINA.

Intelligence: remember we are talking about teamwork and in separate they are pretty much the best but together?? The sannins are known for their teamwork. So they basically know each other well and how to get their moves get together well.

OH YES SUMMONS PLAY A BIG ROLE HERE. They not only act as decoys, Genjutsu Releaser (Katsuyu), BUT A BIG OFFENSIVE. What happens if Manda attacks from below?? DONT TELL ME YATA MIRROR CAN BE PUT ON SUSANOO'S FOOT. The summons can hold the susanoo's letting jiraiya use dark swamp on both susanoos. STATE AN SCENARIO. Wait you are sealing each summon? remember sealing takes time, IT IS NOT INSTANT, As seen when Susanoo absorbed Yamata Oroch.

Tsunade, surely is not fast enough, BUT SHE CAN CHEAP SHOT THEM from behind while they are fighting oro, jiraiya and summons. Her main role here is to support agaisn't genjutsu and heal.

Jiraiya, if he's fighting agaisn't itachi. Last time he saw Itachi he used a scroll to seal amaterasu, Jiraiya since this point, may know that to fight itachi he may need many of this scrolls. Genjutsu, COMING BACK TO THE KATSUYU GENJUTSU DISPELLER.

Orochimaru, as already stated the only genjutsu that will work is Tsukuyomi, thanks to a katsuyu genjutsu dispeller. Wind jutsus are oros and he knowing this do you think he will try fighting fire with wind? He will most likely use his edo tenseis WHICH NOW APPLY IN THE SPACE OF SUMMONS, and his kusanagi to attack the bros, REMEMBER ORO HAS FIRE NINJUTSU TOO.

Yes, Tsunade can heal herself from amaterasu AND DEFINETELY IT WILL LAST FOR LONG!!!!! Her chakra is INMENSIVE I would say that even BIGGER THAN ORO'S AND JIRAIYA WHO ARE CHAKRA BEASTS. Proof?? She healed, Protected her whole village from a Chou Shinra Tensei, and healed her whole village through katsuyu. And she can last long enough to receive 4 of those amaterasu shots and heal herself and get Jiraiya to seal them with his scrolls.

Yes they are struggling and do you think that sasuke and itachi can separate themselves from susanoo and leave them fighting the summons? SIMPLY NOT, Susanoo is an extension of the caster so it's not like the summons will let the two brothers be able to roam around.

Susanoo is so perfect BUT LIKE ITACHI HIMSELF SAID EVERY TECHNIQUE HAS A WEAKNESS:

* It doesn't protects from below: Dark Swamp jutsu, Oro millions of snakes vomiting, A acid lake provoked by Katsuyu miniature version spitting acid all over the place, Manda coming from below the ground.

*It puts strain on the caster. This surely destroys the little stamina the two brothers have.

SO, stop acting like summons are fodders, sannins can't do a thing. In this battle the uchiha bros are simply outnumbered, and outclassed by the teamwork the 3 sannins can do BECAUSE THEY ARE EXPERTS IN IT. While the 2 bros will most likely fight 1 by 1 instead of teamworking, since MANGEKYO SHARINGAN ATTACKS ARE NOT MADE FOR TEAMWORK BUT TO SOLO.

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[Guildmage]

The people who vote argue for the Sannin have nothing but assumptions on their side. They literally have nothing. The only argument I have seen is them saying "They aren't the Sannin for nothing" or "Susanoo isn't the best technique ever". These aren't even arguments, they should be classified as garbage along with the posts that say "Even Itachi said he couldn't take Jiraiya". That is fanboyism at it's finest.

Everyone claims the Itachi fans are fanboys but all I see is us making logical arguments and the Sannin supporters just spouting hype and then accusing us of doing it. It is BS and I am tired of it.

I already wrote a huge argument on page 37 so if you want to try and counter it go ahead, if you don't and instead quote this then I will know that you don't have any arguments and instead are going to be part of the problem on NarutoBase because you will just troll me and not put forth any productive arguments.

Once again pg 37 is where my long post is, make counter arguments please.

And why don't you say that Susanoo, seal and GAME OVER FOR SANNINS
Or amaterasu and GAME OVER FOR SANNINS
OR TSUKUYOMI AND GAME OVER FOR SANNINS
EVEN NORMAL GENJUTSU AND GAME OVER FOR SANNINS. IS GARBAGE TOO????????

I Made my logical points which ANOTHER ITACHI SUPPORTER AGREED WITH ME and you didn't answer my logical points, BUT ABOVE THIS POST YOU CAN SEE HOW I ANSWER ALL OF YOUR POINTS WHEN YOU HAVEN'T ANSWERED MINE =)

so chill out, no one here is talking garbage, we are just debating.

PS: sorry for double posting but I don't know how to Quote twice in a same post.

 

[Itachi0617]

ill say itachi mangekyo is too strong lol

 

[Rafeal brown]

there are things wrong here and i will state them. Genjutsu can be put on many targets at same time, but as I already stated before Tsunade is a chakra control beast (one if not the best medic ninjas ever) this means genjutsu will have little or no influence in her.

Genjutsu is Genjutsu...... ALL ARE DISPELLABLE, if not tell me where it says that FACT, ALL GENJUTSUS ARE INCLUDED IN THIS, EXCEPT TSUKUYOMI WHICH ACTS IN 1 SEC AND BECAUSE THE TIME IT'S NEEDED IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO DISPELL.... That's the only one i consider un-dispellable.

The point where you say Mizukage's acid is stronger than katsuyu IS SIMPLY ILOGICAL, why? simple is there something more hot than fire? is there something more cold than ice? NOOOOO IT IS SIMPLY THE ELEMENT ITSELF... In this case, Katsuyu's acid is ACID ITSELF is there something more acid than ACID ITSELF?? honestly I doubt it.

True they can escape dark swamp, but in the way I see it they first are trapped then sasuke summons meaning that he will have to hold the hawk's legs meaning that the hawk itself is carrying some weight and not being able to move at full speed..... making them BOTH easy target for BIG FROGS, SNAKES, MILLIONS OF MINI KATSUYUS ACID THROWERS AND NOT COUNTING THE SANNIN THEMSELVES ATTACKING.

First of all to dispel a genjutsu u have to knw u are in a genjutsu, we saw wht happened to deidara when he fought itachi he was about to blow himself off without realizing it. Deidara could've countered it if he knew he was in a genjutsu but itachi used it in an intelligent way against him and could've killed deidara despite the fact that the genjutsu was weak and dispellable. So it doesn't really matter if it is dispellable or not. Even if the acid is as dangerous as mizukage's it still doesn't change the fact that it can't melt susanoo, plz rewatch the fight btw sasuke and mizukage then you will notice that her acid mist didn't melt susanoo bones completely and if couldn't melt susanoo's bones completely then how will it melt a complete susanoo. But these are still asumptions bcuz there are diff concentrations of acids, for example tetraoxosulphate 6 acid is more corrosive than hydrochloric acid. And huge summons are of no use, they are just huge targets for amaterasu. And with hawks team uchiha has the range advantage so Sasuke and itachi can rain down grand fire ball jutsus and other fire style jutsu on those mini katsuya.

 

[Guildmage]

First of all to dispel a genjutsu u have to knw u are in a genjutsu, we saw wht happened to deidara when he fought itachi he was about to blow himself off without realizing it. Deidara could've countered it if he knew he was in a genjutsu but itachi used it in an intelligent way against him and could've killed deidara despite the fact that the genjutsu was weak and dispellable. So it doesn't really matter if it is dispellable or not. Even if the acid is as dangerous as mizukage's it still doesn't change the fact that it can't melt susanoo, plz rewatch the fight btw sasuke and mizukage then you will notice that her acid mist didn't melt susanoo bones completely and if couldn't melt susanoo's bones completely then how will it melt a complete susanoo. But these are still asumptions bcuz there are diff concentrations of acids, for example tetraoxosulphate 6 acid is more corrosive than hydrochloric acid. And huge summons are of no use, they are just huge targets for amaterasu. And with hawks team uchiha has the range advantage so Sasuke and itachi can rain down grand fire ball jutsus and other fire style jutsu on those mini katsuya.

That's why Tsunade is the one that won't fall under common genjutsu, THANKS TO HER PERFECT CHAKRA CONTROL. The one breaking the genjutsu on jiraiya and oro is katsuyu (haven't I made this clear yet??)

Mizukage's acid was melting susanoo's bones...... I don't see what you mean. OBVIOUSLY IT WON'T BE INSTANT BUT IT WAS DOING IT AND SASUKE WAS PRACTICALLY PARALIZED FOR THE PAIN HE FELT+the sideeffects of over-using MS. Katsuyu's acid seems stronger in my eyes since it can be a concentrate which is even more stronger, and agaisn't a full susanoo, it will just take more time instead of not having effect.

And you are talking like they can spam Amaterasu on the summonings all they want, without having NOT ONLY THE DRAWBACKS, BUT THEIR CHAKRA RUNNING ABSOLUTELY LOW..... Making them un-able to use susanoo, continue fighting, etc etc.

 

[konohashinobi]

I choose the Sannin for the win Barely. Itachi and Sasuke or somewhat good but taking on all three Sannin at once even if they have Sharingan or MS is suicidal.

I agree. they would definitely wear their eyes out.

 

[DevonV]

you are seriously a retarded fanboy who don't know when to give up. your answers make no sense. you need to be shot

I agree with every thing you said fully!

 

[Catalyst]

itachi and sasuke

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

For TSUKUYOMI, first Itachi needs to aim at their eyes, and that's not an easy task. specially when you face a speed monster such as oro, and like i said before, with a Tsunade using Katsuyu to dispel chakra regularly, Genjutsu SPECIALLY TSUKUYOMI would be a hard task as for oro. Jiraiya, you still need to aim at his eyes to make him fall in Tsukuyomi and with katsuyu giving chakra it is still easy to break NORMAL GENJUTSU.

How fast do you think Oro is? Not nearly as fast as Itachi and that is a fact in the databook and the manga. And if they don't look at Itachi's eyes then they would never see Amaterasu coming. Plus if Katsuya were there then that would be continuous waste of chakra from Tsunade.

For Sasuke's Susanoo, you just said it, It took one summon and A rank wind ninjutsu. BUT CHECK OUT THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 3 BIG FROGS, 1 MANDA, 1 YAMATA OROCH, 1 ACID THROWING (AND AS SEEN ON MIZUKAGE VS SASUKE FIGHT) susanoo bones can be melted.

All of those were incomplete versions of Susanoo, and with Danzo that was an exception as he created a vacuum to bring it into his summons. Unless the Sannin's summons can suck stuff into them then I think they would have a tough time fighting Susanoo. Even Sasuke's weaker version.

For Itachi Susanoo, if it is that almighty, how can he block dark swamp jutsu?
, IF HE JUMPS HE IS EASY TARGET IN MID AIR. And including the fact that it's not only 3 sannins but all of their summons. Tsunade through katsuyu constantly infusing chakra to the summons and sannins can prevent genjutsu from controlling them. Susanoo is just like an extension of the caster himself. So it is still 2 vs sannins and all of their summons (pretty hard fight if you tell me)

Katsuya is very slow compared to Susanoo and I don't think those giant summons could dodge the Totsuka sword, maybe Manda but then it couldn't dodge the Magatama or Sasuke's arrows. They can't hope to beat two Susanoos with such huge targets.

Amaterasu, oro has his technique to escape from it. Tsunade has her Souzo Saisei. Enough to heal her while she burns, giving her enough time to at least catch one of the two bros and with just touching one of them the fire will be passed too. Remember we are counting the summons too, and that amaterasu simply destroys BIG portion of chakra which they don't have. Like it was said before in Naruto season 2 I think it was when Itachi WAS HEALTHY, He could only use 2 Tsukuyomi and 1 amaterasu. In Naruto shippuden when fighting Sasuke he could only do 1 Tsukuyomi and two amaterasu. One big one that followed sasuke, 1 that countered sasuke's katon jutsu. So they don't have a chance to spam it easily now that they need their chakra seriously.

Um I don't think you understand that Itachi was disease ridden and supposed to be dead at that point and he still had enough chakra to outlast Sasuke with a curse mark. Anyway how is Tsunade going to touch either of the Uchihas? They both are way faster then her and have the sharingan as an added bonus to helping taijutsu. Tsunade would burn and it wouldn't matter if she could heal the burns because she would continue to burn until she died. Amaterasu does not stop!! It burns until whatever it is touching is burnt to a crisp, she would die as well as Jiraiya if he were hit with it. How long do you think they could avoid it? Sasuke is faster than her and normal Jiraiya (not sage mode) and he even eventually got hit by it. And don't even get me started on their summons, each of those summons is a huge target for Amaterasu and only Manda has a defense against it.

Chakra? too bad Sasuke doesn't has his Curse Mark anymore. Itachi chakra we already know it's limits. INCLUDING BOTH OF THE BROTHER'S STAMINA.

We do not know Itachi's limits, the only time he has gone even close to all out he was dying of disease. So you obviously do not read the manga. Itachi had more chakra then curse mark Sasuke when Itachi was dying!

Intelligence: remember we are talking about teamwork and in separate they are pretty much the best but together?? The sannins are known for their teamwork. So they basically know each other well and how to get their moves get together well.

Separate they are not pretty much the best, Oro is beatable,Jiraiya is beatable, Tsunade is very very beatable. Plus Oro has lost to not one but both of these people already and to deny that is just ludicrous. Plus they are fighting people who's strengths are their weaknesses. They have a genjutsu weakness fighting genjutsu users, they have elemental weaknesses too against them as well.

OH YES SUMMONS PLAY A BIG ROLE HERE. They not only act as decoys, Genjutsu Releaser (Katsuyu), BUT A BIG OFFENSIVE. What happens if Manda attacks from below?? DONT TELL ME YATA MIRROR CAN BE PUT ON SUSANOO'S FOOT. The summons can hold the susanoo's letting jiraiya use dark swamp on both susanoos. STATE AN SCENARIO. Wait you are sealing each summon? remember sealing takes time, IT IS NOT INSTANT, As seen when Susanoo absorbed Yamata Oroch.

The sealing part is not instant but it is still a sword that can cut off Manda's head or kill him normally. And you forget that Susanoo is a huge defense in itself, even Sasuke's incomplete form protected him from the Raikage and the Mizukage and a celing caving in.

Tsunade, surely is not fast enough, BUT SHE CAN CHEAP SHOT THEM from behind while they are fighting oro, jiraiya and summons. Her main role here is to support agaisn't genjutsu and heal.

She would die quickly, so her healing wouldn't help her much if she was dead. Honestly a Part 1 Kabuto with a soldier pill fought her on equal terms, that same Kabuto that a super super slow and weak Naruto defeated. She would die by Amaterasu, or get caught in Tsukuyomi, or be sealed. Or just get beheaded by Sasuke with his sword. I don't think she would survive that. She has alot of chakra and strength but they are next to useless in this fight.

Jiraiya, if he's fighting agaisn't itachi. Last time he saw Itachi he used a scroll to seal amaterasu, Jiraiya since this point, may know that to fight itachi he may need many of this scrolls. Genjutsu, COMING BACK TO THE KATSUYU GENJUTSU DISPELLER.

Ok to seal Amaterasu he took a scroll out and performed hand signs near the Amaterasu, in the meantime what are Sasuke and Itachi doing? Letting him seal Amaterasu? Sitting there watching him? Not plausible and this is terrible strategy.

Orochimaru, as already stated the only genjutsu that will work is Tsukuyomi, thanks to a katsuyu genjutsu dispeller. Wind jutsus are oros and he knowing this do you think he will try fighting fire with wind? He will most likely use his edo tenseis WHICH NOW APPLY IN THE SPACE OF SUMMONS, and his kusanagi to attack the bros, REMEMBER ORO HAS FIRE NINJUTSU TOO.

Ok so he has two Edo Tenseis, you can't give him any more than that since we haven't seen any others. Plus Oro's version is incomplete and weaker. They would both be sealed relatively quickly. An old man fought on par with these Edos so I think that two of the strongest Uchihas ever could probably take them on.

Yes, Tsunade can heal herself from amaterasu AND DEFINETELY IT WILL LAST FOR LONG!!!!! Her chakra is INMENSIVE I would say that even BIGGER THAN ORO'S AND JIRAIYA WHO ARE CHAKRA BEASTS. Proof?? She healed, Protected her whole village from a Chou Shinra Tensei, and healed her whole village through katsuyu. And she can last long enough to receive 4 of those amaterasu shots and heal herself and get Jiraiya to seal them with his scrolls.

Ok so say Tsunade heals herself while Amaterasu is still burning, that wouldn't end Amaterasu it would keep burning because it doesn't stop. The only way for her to stop it would be for Jiraiya to seal it while she stood still and continuously healed herself. That would waste a ton of her chakra and more importantly would leave both of them open to attack. That is what you aren't getting, in all of your dumb scenarios Itachi and Sasuke are sitting there letting this happen. Why would they let him sit there and seal Amaterasu?

Yes they are struggling and do you think that sasuke and itachi can separate themselves from susanoo and leave them fighting the summons? SIMPLY NOT, Susanoo is an extension of the caster so it's not like the summons will let the two brothers be able to roam around.

They can turn it off and on at will and the summons would all be dead, they are huge targets for any of the Susanoo attacks. And Sasuke could just use Susanoo and hide in it while using Kirin, I know the summons can't dodge that. So yeah another one against the Sannin. The summons aren't fast enough to dodge Susanoo arrows, Magatama, Totsuka sword, Amaterasu or kirin. They would die and no longer be a part in the battle.

Susanoo is so perfect BUT LIKE ITACHI HIMSELF SAID EVERY TECHNIQUE HAS A WEAKNESS:

* It doesn't protects from below: Dark Swamp jutsu, Oro millions of snakes vomiting, A acid lake provoked by Katsuyu miniature version spitting acid all over the place, Manda coming from below the ground.

*It puts strain on the caster. This surely destroys the little stamina the two brothers have.

The Sannin have more chakra, yes but it isn't like Sasuke and Itachi have a tiny amount. This battle would be over well before they reached their limit.

SO, stop acting like summons are fodders, sannins can't do a thing. In this battle the uchiha bros are simply outnumbered, and outclassed by the teamwork the 3 sannins can do BECAUSE THEY ARE EXPERTS IN IT. While the 2 bros will most likely fight 1 by 1 instead of teamworking, since MANGEKYO SHARINGAN ATTACKS ARE NOT MADE FOR TEAMWORK BUT TO SOLO.

If it was a team fight then they would at least watch each others backs, Itachi worked in teams all the time in Akatsuki so he would know how to fight.

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You posted some arguments but only a few of them were reasonable, the ones where Jiraiya seals Amaterasu or Tsunade heals herself from it are not.

Saying the summons can last against two Susanoos is not reasonable, Nagato's summons couldn't take Itachi's magatama, and they were blinded by his kunai.

You claimed Oro was a speed freak but he is not that fast compared to Itachi, and taijutsu would be next to useless against a fast sharingan user.

Another thing about the summons is that you are working under the assumption that Itachi would let them summon them. He could put them all under genjutsu before they had a chance to summon anything. Then it is an automatic win. And they wouldn't even know about it because guess what? Oro was caught in a genjutsu once by Itachi and didn't know. So was Deidara, and Sasuke, and Naruto. You have to know you are in a genjutsu to break it and how would they know until they were already as good as dead?

And none of them, not a single one, has a defense against Tsukuyomi. The only real option is to not look at Itachi's or Sasuke's eyes but that makes it awfully hard to dodge Amaterasu now doesn't it? The Sannin can't win this one. Their biggest weaknesses are sealing jutsu and genjutsu, both of which Itachi has and Sasuke at least has genjutsu.

 

[HECTOR]

Does this mean they need to fight on their current level when Orichimaru and J-man is still alive? If that is the case then Sasuke is nothing considering his feelings that time against his brother so there wouldn't be any team work on the Uchihas. Sanin Wins!

And if your talking about Sasuke's level now and Itachi then considering Oro and J-man is still alive then im sure they become stronger aswell so still Sanin Wins.

For Uchiha fanboys - sorry bros coz Uchiha will get served!!!

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Does this mean they need to fight on their current level when Orichimaru and J-man is still alive? If that is the case then Sasuke is nothing considering his feelings that time against his brother so there wouldn't be any team work on the Uchihas. Sanin Wins!

And if your talking about Sasuke's level now and Itachi then considering Oro and J-man is still alive then im sure they become stronger aswell so still Sanin Wins.

For Uchiha fanboys - sorry bros coz Uchiha will get served!!!

Fanboys? You gave no reasoning, no proof, nothing other than a statement whose meaning is barely decipherable.

I think by definition that makes you a fanboy does it not?

 

[billbobman]

ummm are you forgetting that tsunade healed the psychological damage caused by Tsukuyomi that sasuke and kakshi suffered? and besides...you just have to look at his feet, how hard is that lol xD

i dont want to sound like a know it all or something but looking at his feet only worked for 2 people kakashi who has a sharingan, and might guy who has trained hard to counter the sharingan. now im not saying because of that the uchihas will win but that cant really be proven to work on anybody that doesnt have sufficient knowledge of the sharingans inner workings. also tsunade healed the the damage of tsukiyomi but that was after the fact that the jutsu had been over for a while meaning that if her or oro or even the j-man had been caught she wouldnt be able to break it only heal them afterwards and even if she had the time to heal them mid battle the recovery time is quite the wait as you can see with sasuke and kakashi

 

[Guildmage]

How fast do you think Oro is? Not nearly as fast as Itachi and that is a fact in the databook and the manga. And if they don't look at Itachi's eyes then they would never see Amaterasu coming. Plus if Katsuya were there then that would be continuous waste of chakra from Tsunade.

All of those were incomplete versions of Susanoo, and with Danzo that was an exception as he created a vacuum to bring it into his summons. Unless the Sannin's summons can suck stuff into them then I think they would have a tough time fighting Susanoo. Even Sasuke's weaker version.

Katsuya is very slow compared to Susanoo and I don't think those giant summons could dodge the Totsuka sword, maybe Manda but then it couldn't dodge the Magatama or Sasuke's arrows. They can't hope to beat two Susanoos with such huge targets.

Um I don't think you understand that Itachi was disease ridden and supposed to be dead at that point and he still had enough chakra to outlast Sasuke with a curse mark. Anyway how is Tsunade going to touch either of the Uchihas? They both are way faster then her and have the sharingan as an added bonus to helping taijutsu. Tsunade would burn and it wouldn't matter if she could heal the burns because she would continue to burn until she died. Amaterasu does not stop!! It burns until whatever it is touching is burnt to a crisp, she would die as well as Jiraiya if he were hit with it. How long do you think they could avoid it? Sasuke is faster than her and normal Jiraiya (not sage mode) and he even eventually got hit by it. And don't even get me started on their summons, each of those summons is a huge target for Amaterasu and only Manda has a defense against it.

We do not know Itachi's limits, the only time he has gone even close to all out he was dying of disease. So you obviously do not read the manga. Itachi had more chakra then curse mark Sasuke when Itachi was dying!

Separate they are not pretty much the best, Oro is beatable,Jiraiya is beatable, Tsunade is very very beatable. Plus Oro has lost to not one but both of these people already and to deny that is just ludicrous. Plus they are fighting people who's strengths are their weaknesses. They have a genjutsu weakness fighting genjutsu users, they have elemental weaknesses too against them as well.

The sealing part is not instant but it is still a sword that can cut off Manda's head or kill him normally. And you forget that Susanoo is a huge defense in itself, even Sasuke's incomplete form protected him from the Raikage and the Mizukage and a celing caving in.

She would die quickly, so her healing wouldn't help her much if she was dead. Honestly a Part 1 Kabuto with a soldier pill fought her on equal terms, that same Kabuto that a super super slow and weak Naruto defeated. She would die by Amaterasu, or get caught in Tsukuyomi, or be sealed. Or just get beheaded by Sasuke with his sword. I don't think she would survive that. She has alot of chakra and strength but they are next to useless in this fight.
Ok to seal Amaterasu he took a scroll out and performed hand signs near the Amaterasu, in the meantime what are Sasuke and Itachi doing? Letting him seal Amaterasu? Sitting there watching him? Not plausible and this is terrible strategy.
Ok so he has two Edo Tenseis, you can't give him any more than that since we haven't seen any others. Plus Oro's version is incomplete and weaker. They would both be sealed relatively quickly. An old man fought on par with these Edos so I think that two of the strongest Uchihas ever could probably take them on.

Ok so say Tsunade heals herself while Amaterasu is still burning, that wouldn't end Amaterasu it would keep burning because it doesn't stop. The only way for her to stop it would be for Jiraiya to seal it while she stood still and continuously healed herself. That would waste a ton of her chakra and more importantly would leave both of them open to attack. That is what you aren't getting, in all of your dumb scenarios Itachi and Sasuke are sitting there letting this happen. Why would they let him sit there and seal Amaterasu?
They can turn it off and on at will and the summons would all be dead, they are huge targets for any of the Susanoo attacks. And Sasuke could just use Susanoo and hide in it while using Kirin, I know the summons can't dodge that. So yeah another one against the Sannin. The summons aren't fast enough to dodge Susanoo arrows, Magatama, Totsuka sword, Amaterasu or kirin. They would die and no longer be a part in the battle.

The Sannin have more chakra, yes but it isn't like Sasuke and Itachi have a tiny amount. This battle would be over well before they reached their limit.
If it was a team fight then they would at least watch each others backs, Itachi worked in teams all the time in Akatsuki so he would know how to fight.

You posted some arguments but only a few of them were reasonable, the ones where Jiraiya seals Amaterasu or Tsunade heals herself from it are not.

Saying the summons can last against two Susanoos is not reasonable, Nagato's summons couldn't take Itachi's magatama, and they were blinded by his kunai.

You claimed Oro was a speed freak but he is not that fast compared to Itachi, and taijutsu would be next to useless against a fast sharingan user.

Another thing about the summons is that you are working under the assumption that Itachi would let them summon them. He could put them all under genjutsu before they had a chance to summon anything. Then it is an automatic win. And they wouldn't even know about it because guess what? Oro was caught in a genjutsu once by Itachi and didn't know. So was Deidara, and Sasuke, and Naruto. You have to know you are in a genjutsu to break it and how would they know until they were already as good as dead?

And none of them, not a single one, has a defense against Tsukuyomi. The only real option is to not look at Itachi's or Sasuke's eyes but that makes it awfully hard to dodge Amaterasu now doesn't it? The Sannin can't win this one. Their biggest weaknesses are sealing jutsu and genjutsu, both of which Itachi has and Sasuke at least has genjutsu.

Continous waste of chakra for Tsunade.... and how much chakra do you think Tsunade has??

The summons play a big role in this..... Yes it's true they ARE BIG TARGETS..... and do you think the uchihas bros have not only the chakra, but the endurance to let their bodies spam amaterasu to incinerate 3 big toads (which will not be incinerated instantly), 1 slug that can separate in thousands of mini slugs and prevent her from not only being incinerated, but being a big target, 1 Giant Snake of 8 heads which can separate in small versions of white snakes (as seen when oro tried to escape from the seal),2 edo tensei summons, THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of snakes as seen when oro fought 4 tailed naruto, and normal big snakes..... Do you really think itachi and sasuke have enough chakra and endurance to incinerate all this?? AND STILL HAVE ENOUGH CHAKRA AND ENDURANCE TO CONTINUE FIGHTING 3 sannins that only Summoned helpers and one of those sannins may have mid or low chakra (Tsunade) due to constantly inject chakra on her partners to dispel them from genjutsu.

Exactly and fighting sword to sword with the three big frogs is an easy task for susanoo..... specially when you can get attacked from all sides and yata mirror only blocks in your front but not to the back and sides, and to put over all this you receive GREAT STRAIN from your own technique as long as you keep it up??.......

Remember that manda can attack from below?? susanoo has protection to the arounds of sasuke, but I can't see bones below susanoo that would protect sasuke or even itachi..... Going back to the point..... Dark Swamp can pretty much pwn susanoo too....

True, Itachi and sasuke will be attacking the summons..... and i will repeat the phrase you said, and do you think jiraiya, oro and Tsunade are going to stand back and sip some cups of tea??

Yah, it's true 2 of the three sannins are bums agaisn't genjutsu, but with a katsuyu dispelling normal genjutsus. It might not be an easy task. That's why I say that Tsukuyomi is itachi's best chance..... But first he needs to make eye contact with them, which as you said, how would they know if amaterasu is coming?...... the real question here is..... Will Itachi have enough time to cast amaterasu on sannin moving targets while being attacked by multiple summons??

I still hate how much Tsunade's been underrated thanks to that kabuto vs Tsunade fight.... But as I said before..... she didn't take the pill, she didn't use katsuyu, she didn't use souzo saisei, she wasn't the one that had to use someone's phobia agaisn't her enemy, she was pretty rusty after betting in casinos and stuff after all those years..... So it's pretty much an unfair scenario battle for her.

 

[Rafeal brown]

That's why Tsunade is the one that won't fall under common genjutsu, THANKS TO HER PERFECT CHAKRA CONTROL. The one breaking the genjutsu on jiraiya and oro is katsuyu (haven't I made this clear yet??)

Mizukage's acid was melting susanoo's bones...... I don't see what you mean. OBVIOUSLY IT WON'T BE INSTANT BUT IT WAS DOING IT AND SASUKE WAS PRACTICALLY PARALIZED FOR THE PAIN HE FELT+the sideeffects of over-using MS. Katsuyu's acid seems stronger in my eyes since it can be a concentrate which is even more stronger, and agaisn't a full susanoo, it will just take more time instead of not having effect.

And you are talking like they can spam Amaterasu on the summonings all they want, without having NOT ONLY THE DRAWBACKS, BUT THEIR CHAKRA RUNNING ABSOLUTELY LOW..... Making them un-able to use susanoo, continue fighting, etc etc.

You forgot that sasuke and itachi can see chakra. The possess the sharingan that allows them to see and understand the chakra circulatory system, So seeing katsuya constantly giving them chakra wouldn't be a prob. It wouldn't change the fact that they'll still get hit by tsukuyomi or katsuya would be controlled. But lets just assume you are correct then does that means any sannin can't be killed with tsukuyomi? No.
And you said smth about tsunade regenerating from amaterasu damage? Really? We all saw how the eight tails was crying like a baby after getting hit by this amaterasu which is said to be as hot as the sun, we all knw it isn't true all we knw is that itachi burned fire with amaterasu. moreover sasuke can control amaterasu so spreading and envelopin it all over her would be peice of cake, and i'd luv to see tsunade cry like a baby after getting hit. You really fink katsuyas acid can penetrate susanoo? The only thing acid mist has melted so far is an incomplete susanoo that doesn't even possess up to 1/4 of susanoo's defence. Stop comparing the sasuke who fought mizukage to the current sasuke, sasuke was spaming susanoo for more than ten minites against danzo along side fire ball jutsu, tsukuyomi, amaterasu even chidori variants. Sasuke can now endure ms sides effects and itachi used it the very moment b4 he died. And sasuke didn't run out of chakra after using those jutsus he was still able to fight with naruto and could've fought kakashi aswell he was even planning to take on the leaf village when madara stopped him.

 

[Guildmage]

You forgot that sasuke and itachi can see chakra. The possess the sharingan that allows them to see and understand the chakra circulatory system, So seeing katsuya constantly giving them chakra wouldn't be a prob. It wouldn't change the fact that they'll still get hit by tsukuyomi or katsuya would be controlled. But lets just assume you are correct then does that means any sannin can't be killed with tsukuyomi? No.
And you said smth about tsunade regenerating from amaterasu damage? Really? We all saw how the eight tails was crying like a baby after getting hit by this amaterasu which is said to be as hot as the sun, we all knw it isn't true all we knw is that itachi burned fire with amaterasu. moreover sasuke can control amaterasu so spreading and envelopin it all over her would be peice of cake, and i'd luv to see tsunade cry like a baby after getting hit. You really fink katsuyas acid can penetrate susanoo? The only thing acid mist has melted so far is an incomplete susanoo that doesn't even possess up to 1/4 of susanoo's defence. Stop comparing the sasuke who fought mizukage to the current sasuke, sasuke was spaming susanoo for more than ten minites against danzo along side fire ball jutsu, tsukuyomi, amaterasu even chidori variants. Sasuke can now endure ms sides effects and itachi used it the very moment b4 he died. And sasuke didn't run out of chakra after using those jutsus he was still able to fight with naruto and could've fought kakashi aswell he was even planning to take on the leaf village when madara stopped him.

and what do you want to tell me with them seeing chakra??
I simply said that katsuyu's combo is for NORMAL GENJUTSU. I never said it was for Tsukuyomi. ANYWAYS THEY HAVE TO GET RID OF THE SUMMONS and be able to target the sannin eyes to be able to cast Tsukuyomi, until then I doubt Genjutsu will be of much help.

alright let's assume that acid can not penetrate (which I still doubt)
how will they block the attacks coming from the ground? specially having an specialist in earth cracking such as Tsunade and a dark swamp user called Jiraiya and a Manda attacking from below..... In my opinion the susanoos and uchiha bros are simply outnumbered by the amount of summons and shinobis.

Tsunade healing herself= less hurt, Did Raikage cryed like a baby? WAS SASUKE ABLE TO EXPAND THE ALREADY HITTED WITH AMATERASU ARM OF RAIKAGE... NO..... So I doubt it is a valid point.....

ITS TRUE this TWO UCHIHAS CAN BEAT ANY OF THE SANNINS SEPARATELY, BUT TOGETHER THE SANNINS COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER VERY WELL....

 

[Jordanofthecloud]

Sasuke and Itachi can both use Tsukyomi and Amaterasu. If that fails, they both have Susanoo..

 

[HECTOR]

None of the sannins has an answer to tskuyomi..., The only threat itachi and sasuke will face is if oro uses edo tensei which he would get a chance to use or jiraiya buys time into sage mode which is impossible. Oro is the only sannin who has an answer to amaterasu but he can be defeated with a 3 tamoe sharingan.

What do you mean it is impossible for Jiraiya to get in Sage mode? Have you forgot how he did it last time before he died? He is alone only with 1 summon frog to help as a decoy against pain + 2 summons considering the dog multiplied to like 5 or 6 and he was still able to go on sage mode specially now if Tsunade and Oro think getting J-man to sage will help win the fight then they can summon more as decoy so J-man can go Sage mode in no time at all.

Note that we are talking about their current level when Jiraiya and Oro is still alive and not the time that sasuke ADVANCED already. Because if you would match Sasuke and Itachi's level now to the Sannins and lets say Oro and J-man is still alive do you think they would stop training and getting more advance jutsus? With all this in mind - Sanin Wins!

 

[HECTOR]

Fanboys? You gave no reasoning, no proof, nothing other than a statement whose meaning is barely decipherable.

I think by definition that makes you a fanboy does it not?

Grow up kid! Im just talking to those guys defending Uchiha and if your gonna post here without any answer to my reasoning then stfu.

U got hurt by a simple word where i could simply use gaychihas like other used to if i meant disrespect to all who votes for Sasuke and Itachi.

 

[Rafeal brown]

and what do you want to tell me with them seeing chakra??
I simply said that katsuyu's combo is for NORMAL GENJUTSU. I never said it was for Tsukuyomi. ANYWAYS THEY HAVE TO GET RID OF THE SUMMONS and be able to target the sannin eyes to be able to cast Tsukuyomi, until then I doubt Genjutsu will be of much help.

alright let's assume that acid can not penetrate (which I still doubt)
how will they block the attacks coming from the ground? specially having an specialist in earth cracking such as Tsunade and a dark swamp user called Jiraiya and a Manda attacking from below..... In my opinion the susanoos and uchiha bros are simply outnumbered by the amount of summons and shinobis.

Tsunade healing herself= less hurt, Did Raikage cryed like a baby? WAS SASUKE ABLE TO EXPAND THE ALREADY HITTED WITH AMATERASU ARM OF RAIKAGE... NO..... So I doubt it is a valid point.....

ITS TRUE this TWO UCHIHAS CAN BEAT ANY OF THE SANNINS SEPARATELY, BUT TOGETHER THE SANNINS COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER VERY WELL....

Them seeing chakra means seeing katsuya dispelling normal genjutsu for the sannins by forcing chakra into them. A battle usually starts by both opponent staring at each other, durin exchange of blows opponent lock eyes. As far as we knw you can only aviod eye contact by focusing on the opponents feet. As for summons, i doubt jiraiya can summon three toads without running out of chakra, during the jiraiya vs pain fight he only summoned one gaint toad, if he could summon more than one then why didn't he? And how do you knw susanoo can't defend against under ground attacks? Until we see some1 break susanoo's defence frm under it then its safe to say it's not possible, and when fighting a sharingan user u should hide your handseals no matter how fast u form them or the jutsu would be seen through and evaded so dark swamp wouldn't be a prob since they can see throu it.
We saw how susanoo chopped 3-4 heads of oro eight headed serpet jutsu in one strike with ease so manda or any summon wouldn't be a prob moreover he has sasuke arrows as a back up.
Theres no way tsunade can get hit by amaterasu and not feel the pains to the fullness, she will feel the pains but the damage to her body would be minimized since she can regenerate, amaterasu is hotter than fire it was able to burn fire. As for raikage, yes he didn't cry like a baby when he got hit by amaterasu but he didn't cry like a baby when he chopped off his arm aswell meaning he has the ability to absorb huge amounts of pains and tsunade has yet to show us such abilities. Amaterasu doesn't travel it appears so goodluck to her or jiraiya tryin to aviod smth they can't see coming. Shee confirmed sasuke could control amaterasu and even change their chakra form.
We all saw how sasuke caught madara and deidara by suprise with his shushin no jutsu, sasuke can cover huge distance in an instant so i wouldn't be suprised if sasuke chops tsunade's head off in an instant in the middle of a fight with his katana blade. Tsunade has brute force advantage while sasuke has speed advantage, her brute force is useless if she doesn't have the speed feat to hit sasuke since sasuke can aviod her easily with his speed and even predict her movements so goodluck to her hitting sasuke and itachi.

 

[Paintachi]

Itachi and sasuke no doubt.