The legendary sanin vs Itachi and Saskue

[Shisuisama]

Yes tsunade can dispel normal genjutsu but i'm not sure about jiraiya and oro had prob dispelling it. Madara who is 2times more experienced than the sannins said a weak genjutsu used in the right way can be as powerful as a mortal one so it doesn't matter if the genjutsu is indespellable or not or if sasukes genjutsu is weak or not for all we knw his weak genjutsu can tame and control the likes of manda and he learnt how to use his weak genjutsu more after his fight with danzo. So u can agree with me that FINGER/ SHARINGAN or weak genjutsu can be as powerful as TSUKUYOMI.
Tsukuyomi is a killers move. Kakashi who knws alot about the sharingan wondered why itachi didn't kill him so i still fail to see how any sannin would survive it if they can't come back from the dead.
Having tons of chakra doesn't mean u have automatically won a fight if so then junchuruki wouldn't lose a fight.
Kirin doesn't uses the USERS chakra but NATURES chakra, so i don't see sasuke running out of chakra after using it. A sick deing itachi used susanoo the very moment he deid. Sasuke never complained of runnin out of chakra, he only complained of sides effects after using it.
How will jiraiya use chou odema rasengan without sage mode? Even if he can it isn't enuf to defeat susanoo bcuz susanoo was able to tank the strongest lightnen base jutsu we've seen so far in the manga ''KIRIN'' so i see susanoo tanking chou odema rasengan.
Tsunade didn't and couldn't defeat kabuto the one who defeated him was naruto. Just smth to keep in mind

jiraiya dispelled itachis genjutsu on the women itachi sent to distract jman in konoha. and they said amatarasu is unavoidable yet its been avoided on so many occasions. susanoo is not invincible, it has three layers. armor, skin and bones. now we know the bones can be shattered, melt and broke. i have no doubt the sannin can do just that. the only reason why they say susanoo is invincible is because of itachis susanoo's weapons....sasukes susanoo dont have those weapons.

 

[sha sasuke]

whats wrong with you people thinkin the sannin can loose to de uchihas, yes hitachi is strong but not stronger than jiraya..dont you remember pain said if jiraya had found out there secret earlier pain wound have been done for. your underming jiraya.. it's true hitachi can fight pa jiraya but still jiraya wins, and oro alone can kill sasuke, he regenerates, and has his sword, and remember oro uses edo tensei, he can summon itachi and sasuke's father and some of other uchihas to deal with the redirections of Amaterasu and genjutsu, infact he can bring shisui whose genjutsu is stronger than that of hitachi. and as tsunade heals them if they are injured using her vast chckra and te the sannin win..

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[jabznaruto]

...if i coach the uchiha bros..perhaps they'll have better chances...hehe

Hauhahaha... sorry i can't help laughing over stuff like that.[/QUOTE]

yo dude...glad i made you laugh...of course it is meant as a joke...
...it is like that "chuck norris thing" harhar lol

here is even better....if i coach you dude...you'll be the strongest shinobi here in the base lmoa.........

 

[senjumahe]

the legendary sanins are more than just what they seem, the senju clan are always better than the uchiha clan.

 

[jabznaruto]

the legendary sanins are more than just what they seem, the senju clan are always better than the uchiha clan.

hmmm...a strong point

continue dude...

 

[zombiejesus]

saskue has PMS not ems little emo ballass whaa my clan is dead my brother did it now im killed him now i want revenge for my brother lol if he wants true revenge he should kill himself. and im not a sakue hater i just dont like self important whine asses

 

[Guildmage]

Yes tsunade can dispel normal genjutsu but i'm not sure about jiraiya and oro had prob dispelling it. Madara who is 2times more experienced than the sannins said a weak genjutsu used in the right way can be as powerful as a mortal one so it doesn't matter if the genjutsu is indespellable or not or if sasukes genjutsu is weak or not for all we knw his weak genjutsu can tame and control the likes of manda and he learnt how to use his weak genjutsu more after his fight with danzo. So u can agree with me that FINGER/ SHARINGAN or weak genjutsu can be as powerful as TSUKUYOMI and just bcuz sasukes genjutsu is weak doesn't mean it wouldn't work against sannin.
Tsukuyomi is a killers move. Kakashi who knws alot about the sharingan wondered why itachi didn't kill him so i still fail to see how any sannin would survive it if they can't come back from the dead.
Having tons of chakra doesn't mean u have automatically won a fight if so then junchuruki wouldn't lose a fight.
Kirin doesn't uses the USERS chakra but NATURES chakra, so i don't see sasuke running out of chakra after using it. A sick deing itachi used susanoo the very moment he deid. Sasuke never complained of runnin out of chakra, he only complained of sides effects after using it.
How will jiraiya use chou odema rasengan without sage mode? Even if he can it isn't enuf to defeat susanoo bcuz susanoo was able to tank the strongest lightnen base jutsu we've seen so far in the manga ''KIRIN'' so i see susanoo tanking chou odema rasengan.
Tsunade didn't and couldn't defeat kabuto the one who defeated him was naruto. Just smth to keep in mind

Remember what I told you about katsuyu continously injecting chakra to oro and jiraiya? well that's how they will break out from genjutsu. Remember that while a normal genjutsu is going on, both bodies are most likely not moving, as proven when itachi did Tsukuyomi on Sasuke, and when Itachi trapped naruto, sakura, kakashi, chiyo with finger genjutsu, HE COULD HAVE ATTACKED, but why he didn't? So we can practically infer that the targets and the user can't move..... According to this, Finger genjutsu or normal genjutsu takes longer than Tsukuyomi, because it is not instant.

Sasuke will definitely use kirin when he's out of chakra...... Check out the fight and you will see that in a moment of the fight he or someone else stated he was already out of chakra.

I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT CHOU OODAMA RASENGAN....... How about we put it more simple? Dark Swamp jutsu for Uchiha bros and they are done for? see how simple things can be? I don't see a reason for chou oodama Rasengan to be used, when you have jutsus like, Dark Swamp, Edo tensei, A Katsuyu that can throw acid and melt susanoo's bones =/ =/

Susanoo is not instant...... Remember first it needs to get the bones, then it needs to get the flesh and then the armor that comes with the holy items =)

And true, having tons of chakra doesn't mean you win the fight, BUT IF YOU MANAGE TO ENDURE THE WHOLE FIGHT UNTIL YOUR OPONENTS RUN OUT OF IF. It can be considered and instant win. And if you add to it the fact of the endurance in fight, THAT WOULD BE KILL

 

[Rafeal brown]

jiraiya dispelled itachis genjutsu on the women itachi sent to distract jman in konoha. and they said amatarasu is unavoidable yet its been avoided on so many occasions. susanoo is not invincible, it has three layers. armor, skin and bones. now we know the bones can be shattered, melt and broke. i have no doubt the sannin can do just that. the only reason why they say susanoo is invincible is because of itachis susanoo's weapons....sasukes susanoo dont have those weapons.

It doesn't matter if the genjutsu is despellable or not as long as they use it the right way it'll be as powerful as an indespelable one.
From wht we've seen so far, Amaterasu can only be avoided by
1. Superspeed like A: no sannin has the speed feat like A so they can't escape it by out runnin it
2. Cutting off body parts: We all knw u can't cut of your head, neck and trunk. So how will the sannins evade it if they get hit in any of those areas?
3. Shedding of the great skin: Here one of the sannin oro has an advantage bcuz he'll shed his skin.
4. Automatic defence like gaara: no sannin possess such abilities so i don't see any sannin defending against it like gaara.
Susanoo's rib cage was able to defend against a jutsu like liger bomb which no one ever lived through. it tanked temari, gaara, kankuro and darui's attacks at the same time. We didn't get to see sasuke's susanoo final form so u can't say sasuke's susanoo doesn't possess those items.
Sasuke's susanoo's attack is nearly unescapable even danzo admitted that the arrows were so fast and there was no time for handseals. Kakashi who is a speed monster said the arrows were insanely fast. So i see susanoo arrows as a threat to team sannin in this match.

 

[Rafeal brown]

Remember what I told you about katsuyu continously injecting chakra to oro and jiraiya? well that's how they will break out from genjutsu. Remember that while a normal genjutsu is going on, both bodies are most likely not moving, as proven when itachi did Tsukuyomi on Sasuke, and when Itachi trapped naruto, sakura, kakashi, chiyo with finger genjutsu, HE COULD HAVE ATTACKED, but why he didn't? So we can practically infer that the targets and the user can't move..... According to this, Finger genjutsu or normal genjutsu takes longer than Tsukuyomi, because it is not instant.

Sasuke will definitely use kirin when he's out of chakra...... Check out the fight and you will see that in a moment of the fight he or someone else stated he was already out of chakra.

I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT CHOU OODAMA RASENGAN....... How about we put it more simple? Dark Swamp jutsu for Uchiha bros and they are done for? see how simple things can be? I don't see a reason for chou oodama Rasengan to be used, when you have jutsus like, Dark Swamp, Edo tensei, A Katsuyu that can throw acid and melt susanoo's bones =/ =/

Susanoo is not instant...... Remember first it needs to get the bones, then it needs to get the flesh and then the armor that comes with the holy items =)

And true, having tons of chakra doesn't mean you win the fight, BUT IF YOU MANAGE TO ENDURE THE WHOLE FIGHT UNTIL YOUR OPONENTS RUN OUT OF IF. It can be considered and instant win. And if you add to it the fact of the endurance in fight, THAT WOULD BE KILL

itachi can put several people in genjutsu at the same time. His genjutsu doesn't REVOLVE around his sharingan, He can put katsuya and the sannins in genjutsu via handseals.
No, itachi use tsukuyomi on sasuke in the middle of the fight, even white zetsu thought itachi has won the fight after sasuke took tsukuyomi only to be suprised to see sasuke back on his feet. Tsukuyomi shouldn't be underestimated, it can end a fight in a sec.
Sasuke can move while he uses genjutsu as seen when he fought deidara, he also used it to escape bee's attack in his junchuriki form. He uses genjutsu as his kage bunshin no jutsu to confuse his opponent.
Dark swamp can easily be evaded, remember sasuke can summon hawks? Team uchiha would summon hawks and fly. Like i said earlier itachi can use genjutsu on oro and make him undo the edo tensei. Katsuya's acid can't melt susanoo bones, katsuya's acid is not as powerful as mizukage's larva style(that couldn't do anythin to susanoo bones) and is no where near as powerful as her acid mist.
Susanoo doesn't take time to use. These ms jutsus are dangerous and can end a fight in a sec, i fink team sannin should be the one to watch out for team uchiha. I can't remember who told me smth abt chou odema rasengan so i guess my previous post answers that.

 

[DevonV]

itachi can put several people in genjutsu at the same time. His genjutsu doesn't REVOLVE around his sharingan, He can put katsuya and the sannins in genjutsu via handseals.
No, itachi use tsukuyomi on sasuke in the middle of the fight, even white zetsu thought itachi has won the fight after sasuke took tsukuyomi only to be suprised to see sasuke back on his feet. Tsukuyomi shouldn't be underestimated, it can end a fight in a sec.
Sasuke can move while he uses genjutsu as seen when he fought deidara, he also used it to escape bee's attack in his junchuriki form. He uses genjutsu as his kage bunshin no jutsu to confuse his opponent.
Dark swamp can easily be evaded, remember sasuke can summon hawks? Team uchiha would summon hawks and fly. Like i said earlier itachi can use genjutsu on oro and make him undo the edo tensei. Katsuya's acid can't melt susanoo bones, katsuya's acid is not as powerful as mizukage's larva style(that couldn't do anythin to susanoo bones) and is no where near as powerful as her acid mist.
Susanoo doesn't take time to use. These ms jutsus are dangerous and can end a fight in a sec, i fink team sannin should be the one to watch out for team uchiha. I can't remember who told me smth abt chou odema rasengan so i guess my previous post answers that.

You give Tsukuyomi too much credit. And there is three Sannin and two Susanoo Which means that Two could take on Itachi's Because of the shield.
And one could take out sasuke Susanoo. And i have a news flash for you, Susanoo can be destroyed it's not the ultimate technique. So
stfu

 

[Rafeal brown]

the legendary sanins are more than just what they seem, the senju clan are always better than the uchiha clan.

I must have missed smth plz tell us when was that said in the manga? The last time i remember the uchiha were on par with the senju. They were both descendants of the so6p and they inherited each half of the so6p powers so i don't see how the senju are stronger.

 

[DevonV]

I must have missed smth plz tell us when was that said in the manga? The last time i remember the uchiha were on par with the senju. They were both descendants of the so6p and they inherited each half of the so6p powers so i don't see how the senju are stronger.

You should just stop posting on this thread because all your doing is saying the same things over and over and you have no prof of what you are saying. And lastly you are just pissing people off.

 

[Rafeal brown]

You give Tsukuyomi too much credit. And there is three Sannin and two Susanoo Which means that Two could take on Itachi's Because of the shield.
And one could take out sasuke Susanoo. And i have a news flash for you, Susanoo can be destroyed it's not the ultimate technique. So
stfu

Did i say susanoo can't be destroyed? Itachi said Tsukuyomi can't be dispelled without possessing his blood so until u show us in the manga where someone has dispelled itachi's tsukuyomi without possessing his blood or where it says the yata mirror can be broken plz do stfu. You are not worth talking to neither are u worth debating with.

 

[Rafeal brown]

You should just stop posting on this thread because all your doing is saying the same things over and over and you have no prof of what you are saying. And lastly you are just pissing people off.

If anyone is to stop posting its u so stop getting on my nerves and stop acting like a jerk. I don't see why an average fan of this manga should be angry over wht i said, if u fink i'm wrong then post wht u fink is right. Only fanboys get angry for no reason

 

[DevonV]

Did i say susanoo can't be destroyed? Itachi said Tsukuyomi can't be dispelled without possessing his blood so until u show us in the manga where someone has dispelled itachi's tsukuyomi without possessing his blood or where it says the yata mirror can be broken plz do stfu. You are not worth talking to neither are u worth debating with.

Well then how did Jiraiya dispell Tsukuyomi? I dident say the Yata mirror can be broken. And what u do is not debating because you have no credible proof.:flaw:

 

[DevonV]

If anyone is to stop posting its u so stop getting on my nerves and stop acting like a jerk. I don't see why an average fan of this manga should be angry over wht i said, if u fink i'm wrong then post wht u fink is right. Only fanboys get angry for no reason

I'm not angry i'm just irritated because of people overestimate sasuke and Itachi way to much. I do post what i "fink" but you fan boys say no itachi or sasuke would beet that person. :mugi:

 

[Guildmage]

itachi can put several people in genjutsu at the same time. His genjutsu doesn't REVOLVE around his sharingan, He can put katsuya and the sannins in genjutsu via handseals.
No, itachi use tsukuyomi on sasuke in the middle of the fight, even white zetsu thought itachi has won the fight after sasuke took tsukuyomi only to be suprised to see sasuke back on his feet. Tsukuyomi shouldn't be underestimated, it can end a fight in a sec.
Sasuke can move while he uses genjutsu as seen when he fought deidara, he also used it to escape bee's attack in his junchuriki form. He uses genjutsu as his kage bunshin no jutsu to confuse his opponent.
Dark swamp can easily be evaded, remember sasuke can summon hawks? Team uchiha would summon hawks and fly. Like i said earlier itachi can use genjutsu on oro and make him undo the edo tensei. Katsuya's acid can't melt susanoo bones, katsuya's acid is not as powerful as mizukage's larva style(that couldn't do anythin to susanoo bones) and is no where near as powerful as her acid mist.
Susanoo doesn't take time to use. These ms jutsus are dangerous and can end a fight in a sec, i fink team sannin should be the one to watch out for team uchiha. I can't remember who told me smth abt chou odema rasengan so i guess my previous post answers that.

there are things wrong here and i will state them. Genjutsu can be put on many targets at same time, but as I already stated before Tsunade is a chakra control beast (one if not the best medic ninjas ever) this means genjutsu will have little or no influence in her.

Genjutsu is Genjutsu...... ALL ARE DISPELLABLE, if not tell me where it says that FACT, ALL GENJUTSUS ARE INCLUDED IN THIS, EXCEPT TSUKUYOMI WHICH ACTS IN 1 SEC AND BECAUSE THE TIME IT'S NEEDED IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO DISPELL.... That's the only one i consider un-dispellable.

The point where you say Mizukage's acid is stronger than katsuyu IS SIMPLY ILOGICAL, why? simple is there something more hot than fire? is there something more cold than ice? NOOOOO IT IS SIMPLY THE ELEMENT ITSELF... In this case, Katsuyu's acid is ACID ITSELF is there something more acid than ACID ITSELF?? honestly I doubt it.

True they can escape dark swamp, but in the way I see it they first are trapped then sasuke summons meaning that he will have to hold the hawk's legs meaning that the hawk itself is carrying some weight and not being able to move at full speed..... making them BOTH easy target for BIG FROGS, SNAKES, MILLIONS OF MINI KATSUYUS ACID THROWERS AND NOT COUNTING THE SANNIN THEMSELVES ATTACKING.

 

[Craigdig]

Three of them couldn't beat hanzo, tsunade was nearly defeated by kabuto and oro was defeated by itachi and u say they are invinsible? They don't even have an answer to sharingan genjutsu (except jiraiya), kirin, double tskuyomi and double totsuka blade. If hanzo could take them on then itachi and sasuke can do better.

Was this post even thought about. Hanzo is uber powerful, it took pain to defeat him. Pain...potentially the strongest naruto character. The sannins got dubbed the legendary sannins at a farely young age, surely sometime in their 20s. J-man didn't have Smode, Oro didn't have edo tensei, Tsunade didn't perfect her regeneration technique. I'm sure oro or j man could own Hanzo now...and probably tsunade.

Secondly why do people continuosly say oro got pawned by itachi?Oro's aim was always just to take over itachis body and not to inflict damage so he barely went on the offensive. And that little combat where itachi used totsuka is not justified. Oro is a serious badass gross fellow give him props. How do u even kill him? Sasuke chopped him pieces on his death bed only to end up paralyzed. His substitution justsus and tsunades regeneration technique would be hard to face.

On to the badass bros. The only way to face three sannins is to use ms. And we all know the damage to the user. Ms would be draining uber amount of chakra while j man would be using natural energy and tsunade undoing her seal to get mega saved up chakra. Tsukoyumio gets one character, so saying both bros use that technique ... They are both vulnerbale to the third sannin. And give the sannins more props ppl... We have seen jman seal amataerasu and tsunade heal the mind from tsukoyomi. I'm sure if faced a second time around with those techs they'd have a faster more effect counter. Yes the unchiha bros would wreak havoc... They would give it to the sannins likes its hot but they'd sttill loose.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

The people who vote argue for the Sannin have nothing but assumptions on their side. They literally have nothing. The only argument I have seen is them saying "They aren't the Sannin for nothing" or "Susanoo isn't the best technique ever". These aren't even arguments, they should be classified as garbage along with the posts that say "Even Itachi said he couldn't take Jiraiya". That is fanboyism at it's finest.

Everyone claims the Itachi fans are fanboys but all I see is us making logical arguments and the Sannin supporters just spouting hype and then accusing us of doing it. It is BS and I am tired of it.

I already wrote a huge argument on page 37 so if you want to try and counter it go ahead, if you don't and instead quote this then I will know that you don't have any arguments and instead are going to be part of the problem on NarutoBase because you will just troll me and not put forth any productive arguments.

Once again pg 37 is where my long post is, make counter arguments please.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Well then how did Jiraiya dispell Tsukuyomi? I dident say the Yata mirror can be broken. And what u do is not debating because you have no credible proof.:flaw:

Jiraiya was never in Tsukuyomi and never broke anyone out of it, that is BS to say and everyone knows it. You Sannin supporters are making up lies now because you can't stand the fact that Itachi and Sasuke are greater than any of the Sannin. And I hate Sasuke! I wish his character would get killed but I still admit he is stronger than any one of the Sannin.

Saying that someone doesn't use proof when you outright lie is kind of stupid don't you think?

Honestly Narutobase should do something about these kids who think they know Naruto and try and talk about it but just end up failing miserably.