Itachi vs Pain

[Hitoshi]

I see inzunami on this thread so dnt pay attention to him its a draw

 

[DigitalMonster]

Jiraiya's genjutsu did work last time.Coincidentally, the databook says the genjutsu isn't typically lifted until the swords were already in, which means that was when Nagato was set free, and allowed him to attack through Asura.

 

[Izanami]

jiraya ended the genjutsu and it also proves the paths can also be affected

look at my earlier post dont know wether you realise this but you say the same stuff over and over again look at my post on the previous page it explains everything and yes the paths can be affected by genjutsu but itachis techniques are meant for 1v1 situations

 

[kobi sugoichi kempachi]

read the other posts i mentioned on only one path and tsukiyomi only takes a sec. And when chiyo mentions that kakashi says but that is only for regular genjutsu but not his tsukiyomi go see that chapter again. And itachi also has other strong genjutsu which only take sec, he is not vulnerable it takes only takes 1-2 seconds. he might lose focus what r u talking about man he just needs a sec to put one path in genjutsu doesn't only need tsukiyomi and afterwards can continue the fight.

The first sentence I didnt understand You didnt Make clear what u were trying to prove.

It tooke 1 second to Blow Jiraiya's arm to the neatherRealm. It took Half that to crush his throat after He leaned Pain's secret.


And sence Any one seems to have Not mentioned It then I will-

If Tsukyomi could work aginst pain then why in the Blue Hell didnt try to use It in His fight with Nagath I know why, It woundnt work cuz on edo Tensei ppl it would still have no efect cus they are dead and are controled by a talas in the back of there head.A Taboo jutsu.​

 

[DigitalMonster]

The 6 bodies are all linked to one central intelligence,one mind:Nagato

So,in Itachi's view,he's still seeing one person to target for;which is the real Pain

 

[Izanami]

Jiraiya's genjutsu did work last time.Coincidentally, the databook says the genjutsu isn't typically lifted until the swords were already in, which means that was when Nagato was set free, and allowed him to attack through Asura.

so your saying that nagato who transmits his commands through chakra signals and not connected to his mind was put under genjustu because three of his puppets were in genjustu ?

 

[Izanami]

The 6 bodies are all linked to one central intelligence,one mind:Nagato

So,in Itachi's view,he's still seeing one person to target for;which is the real Pain

it doesnt make sense sorry nagato isnt even with his paths

 

[DigitalMonster]

Yes.

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Nagato said "you got me" and was chatting inside the genjutsu world while his entire body and Pain was paralyzed so that they couldn't move an inch. Hence Nagato was in the genjutsu speaking, because Animal Realm lacks a mind of its own.

 

[kobi sugoichi kempachi]

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jiraya ended the genjutsu and it also proves the paths can also be affected

Why man, why, Jiraiya lifted the jutsu cus he Tought tha he killed all pain but he thought wrong an lost a arm to the Dead Zone
And it was Sage Art Sound ginjutsu that uses Nature Chakra​

U Gave an other *Rudi~Poo~~ booty argument there​

 

[DigitalMonster]

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Synopsis: Jiraiya's genjutsu did bind Nagato's mind for a time, as Nagato was speaking in the genjutsu world, but without killing Nagato's true body, it was futile. This is why Nagato felt Jiraiya could have won with knowledge.

 

[Izanami]

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Nagato said "you got me" and was chatting inside the genjutsu world while his entire body and Pain was paralyzed so that they couldn't move an inch. Hence Nagato was in the genjutsu speaking, because Animal Realm lacks a mind of its own.

im totally just bewildered you must be joking right i thought you were playing how does that work genjutsu from puppets hes controlling them with chakra signals genjutsu effects the brain there all dead bodies with dead brains im sorry but it doesnt make sense
Jirayas genjutsu effects there chakra im guessing thats the only logical explanation

 

[arv993]

Re: ~

Why man, why, Jiraiya lifted the jutsu cus he Tought tha he killed all pain but he thought wrong an lost a arm to the Dead Zone​

U Gave an other *Rudi~Poo~~ booty argument there​

smh most pointless argument evry1 knows that jiraya had no knowledge of 6 pains and lifted his genjutsu cos of that.

 

[arv993]

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Nagato said "you got me" and was chatting inside the genjutsu world while his entire body and Pain was paralyzed so that they couldn't move an inch. Hence Nagato was in the genjutsu speaking, because Animal Realm lacks a mind of its own.

u might be on to something there and ur right about the pain saying jiraya might have beaten him if he knew about his powers. Pain is serioius he is not the type of guy who jokes around.

 

[DigitalMonster]

I provided all actual,proven facts from manga.If you chose to disagree that Nagato admitted that Jiraiya has got him in genjutsu without basing on statements from manga,then I can't help you anymore.

Nagato has summoned Asura before he was genjutsu'd.When the genjutsu momentum was rolling,Nagato was caught in the genjutsu,his minds and movements were bind and thus,summoning Asura and others' beforehand are futile.However, Jiraiya had accidentally cancelled the genjutsu by himself(without knowledge).Leaving Nagato to attack through Asura Path

 

[Izanami]

I provided all actual,proven facts from manga.If you chose to disagree that Nagato admitted that Jiraiya has got him in genjutsu without basing on statements from manga,then I can't help you anymore.

Nagato has summoned Asura before he was genjutsu'd.When the genjutsu momentum was rolling,Nagato was caught in the genjutsu,his minds and movements were bind and thus,summoning Asura and others' beforehand are futile.However, Jiraiya accidentally cancelled the genjutsu by himself(without knowledge).Leaving Nagato to attack through Asura Path

you got him saying you got me with his path caught in genjustu its not possible for Nagato to be put under genjutsu from chakra signals its such a stupid arguement its like i dont know why im argueing

 

[DigitalMonster]

The projection shown when the bodies are in genjutsu,if knowing that the bodies are just ''puppets'',Jiraiya could've won if he manages to find the real body.

 

[kobi sugoichi kempachi]

first of all its not 1000 hours but 72 hours, who said that visual jutsus does not work on rinnegan no, no one said that. it has however been stated that only itachi's brother or his own flesh and blood can break it. Genjutsu has the same purpose it disturbs the chakra network and their senses. jiraya used sage art genjutsu which is strong and disrupted the paths senses and that is exactly what itachi's genjutsu also do but the difference is the user can manipulate the genjutsu depending on their skill. It has never been stated that visual genjutsu do not work so stop saying that it has only been said that only that sasuke and other ppl related to him can break his tsukiyomi, there is no reason why it should not affect one path.

And itachi was not gonna kill sasuke why was he gonna do that of course he was just standing there, the whole point was to die to sasuke and free him from oro. Kakashi even said the tech was instant so stop that bs. and legitimate points u just supported every1 who practically said pain and bs after it, some i agree were good points but a lot of them were just pain and bunch of bs explanations and you were +rep to evrything. But Idc about that i hav to go cya later on the base.

OMG lmao man the ony point u made was that it last 72 hours.Wow I gave it a 928 hour advantege.

The Two Frog Sages Pointed It out cuz they new that the only thing that can disrrupt the Rinnagan was a whole lot if Nature chakra

Itachi tryin to kill or not tryin to kill Sasuke is irrelevent in this argument.No reason and I mean know reason to throw that in there.

The pont is that i made was that Sasuke was in it the moment Itachi took his stance,Sasuke Broke it, and Whey were in the same place as they were

Every one has its Weekness and Thats It​

 

[Ame no kage]

omg this thread still going?

 

[kobi sugoichi kempachi]

Re: ~

smh most pointless argument evry1 knows that jiraya had no knowledge of 6 pains and lifted his genjutsu cos of that.

U_U+10reps for proving my point to be true

U_U+20 points for forceing u to prove my points cus u Have know way to argue them

 

[Izanami]

The projection shown when the bodies are in genjutsu,if knowing that the bodies are just ''puppets'',Jiraiya could've won if he manages to find the real body.

im used to talking with people who although talk shet have slight truths behind what they say or pretend to its just that is such a stupid point i dont know what to say it must be obvious