Itachi's Strength

[ablepema]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

Sasuke only surpassed Itachi with his blaze release where he was able to control the shape of Amaterasu, nothing special. Itachi's Amaterasu was seen more and used more. It was more destructive every time it was used. (Toad belly, destroyed the "indestructible" wall, burned fire itself, burned an entire forest).

wouldn't you think sasuke would do the same.

 

[ranks33]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

i believe he Can change the shape, if he wanted to. Just because sasuke did it, that dosent mean that itachi cant. And Daru just wanted something to say, Because he NEVER even seen itachi in his life probably. And he NEVER even saw itachi do AMaterasu, so he shouldve jus kept his mouth close

LOL i like that

 

[Inception]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

sample of an average itachi fanboy ^^^

anyone with EMS is STRONGER than anyone with only MS. and i think manga clearly states that shisui is far more superior than itachi. he got the strongest genjutsu + the MS. never in the manga mentioned itachi is the "strongest" uchiha.

Never in the manga does it states that Shisui was stronger than Itachi. Shisui was strong. Itachi is strong.

Itachi was born into the Uchiha clan to Mikoto and Fugaku and was praised by all as the best of his generation; a genius above all others. Even by the standards of the battle-adept Uchiha clan, Itachi's prowess far outshone them.

While it does state that Uchiha Shisui had the strongest MS genjutsu, the ability to control people without them knowing, it never states anywhere that he had the strongest MS or even that he was the strongest Uchiha.

 

[BigTDogg220]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

hard to say he's stronger than the Hokage we didn't see much of...he's certainly stronger than Tsunade

 

[ablepema]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

hard to say he's stronger than the Hokage we didn't see much of...he's certainly stronger than Tsunade

this makes sense.

 

[Jon420atrabeza2]

Re: why do some of you guys think Itachi invincible?

itachi is invincible just because is itachi for me the greatest ninja ever x)

 

[kadowade]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

wouldn't you think sasuke would do the same.

He cant, everytime he used it he immeadiate holds his eyes EVERYTIME, itachi dosent (When he burned jiraiyas toud mouth, he didnt even hold his eye. (When he overcame sasukes fireball. Therefore sasuke cant take the pain like itachi can. He always complaining), (When he fought mizukage, he said: It hurts every cell in my body'' And his Susano'o was fading away.

Itachi could use his to a greater extent since he takes the pain better, He only Coughed up blood cuz he was sick,

 

[ablepema]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

He cant, everytime he used it he immeadiate holds his eyes EVERYTIME, itachi dosent (When he burned jiraiyas toud mouth, he didnt even hold his eye. (When he overcame sasukes fireball. Therefore sasuke cant take the pain like itachi can. He always complaining), (When he fought mizukage, he said: It hurts every cell in my body'' And his Susano'o was fading away.

Itachi could use his to a greater extent since he takes the pain better, He only Coughed up blood cuz he was sick,

be serious he didn't only cough up blood since was sick.

 

[ablepema]

Re: Itachi full health isnt better then sick itachi! overrated much? i think so!

In a way khadz5 is right about the fanboys thing because most of the time you'll hear an answer that doesn't make sense or because he's itachi, go look at the comments of support for Itachi and try to tell me that half of them actually have a reason,Most of the replies are saying because he's Itachi maybe im the only one with khadz5 but that's what I see.

 

[ninjastormgenaration33]

Re: why do some of you guys think Itachi invincible?

hes just that powerful

 

[Inception]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

be serious he didn't only cough up blood since was sick.

He didn't die because of overusing his MS. He was sick from the start. He used his MS to a point where he had no chakra. He used it till he was almost blind yet he was still standing. His illness got him at the end. Zetsu said all this so please stop crying.

 

[deidara senpai]

Re: why do some of you guys think Itachi invincible?

i cant decide between vote 1 3 and 4

 

[kadowade]

Re: Itachi full health isnt better then sick itachi! overrated much? i think so!

In a way khadz5 is right about the fanboys thing because most of the time you'll hear an answer that doesn't make sense or because he's itachi, go look at the comments of support for Itachi and try to tell me that half of them actually have a reason,Most of the replies are saying because he's Itachi maybe im the only one with khadz5 but that's what I see.

Actually i remember him, And he was an extreme Pain fan-boy, thinkin that Shinra Tensei will own everything,. Unless yall can come up with an legitiment excuse as for why itachi is not as good as yall think stop underestimating him & followin the hype.

He can be beatin of course, i beileve the 1st hokagae & a YOUNG 3rd hokagae may overcome him. I dont really know about minato, thats kinda hard. Although i bielieve he can overcome pain, and thats why we were debating the other day.

 

[ablepema]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

He didn't die because of overusing his MS. He was sick from the start. He used his MS to a point where he had no chakra. He used it till he was almost blind yet he was still standing. His illness got him at the end. Zetsu said all this so please stop crying.

think about waht you just said,you said he wasn't using his ms to be overused then you say he used his ms to th epoint of no chakra isn't that an overuse too he died from using it too much The ms causes problems of strains too like coughing up blood.

 

[KAPOOOO]

Re: why do some of you guys think Itachi invincible?

itachi have super power any one vs him 1 to 1 he is a dead man

 

[kadowade]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

think about waht you just said,you said he wasn't using his ms to be overused then you say he used his ms to th epoint of no chakra isn't that an overuse too he died from using it too much The ms causes problems of strains too like coughing up blood.

MS cause blood from the Eyes, sickness causes blood from his body.

So its not a good idea to Strain while you're already sick,'

 

[khaydz5]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

Never in the manga does it states that Shisui was stronger than Itachi. Shisui was strong. Itachi is strong.



While it does state that Uchiha Shisui had the strongest MS genjutsu, the ability to control people without them knowing, it never states anywhere that he had the strongest MS or even that he was the strongest Uchiha.

manga states that shisui GOT the STRONGEST genjutsu in uchiha.that's everyone wants to get his eyes including danzo. genjutsu is the strongest asset of uchiha clan, thus making shisui far more superb than itachi.

Sasuke only surpassed Itachi with his blaze release where he was able to control the shape of Amaterasu, nothing special. Itachi's Amaterasu was seen more and used more. It was more destructive every time it was used. (Toad belly, destroyed the "indestructible" wall, burned fire itself, burned an entire forest)

raikage's arm lost because of what sasuke did to the flames. if sasuke cant change the shape of amaterasu he would have died to raikage. that is something special not even itachi can do.

dont bring crap like if sasuke can do it why not itachi. those are 2 different people you're talking about and sasuke already surpass itachi's amaterasu after that was shown.

 

[Draegod]

Re: Itachi full health isnt better then sick itachi! overrated much? i think so!

Ok... im off work! and was reading a bunch of bull might i add! dont take it personal! but... IM GOING IN!!!!

Itachi sick is also very strong Draegod bro you forget lol

lol yea i know, i never said either one was weak. but rather if he was "full health" it wouldnt make a huge difference. and would make him weaker in a sense. but nice to see you on the thread bruh!

wrong he owned oro and deridara in 1 sec is that tsukuyomi last for 1 sec and ur dead everything finished in 1 sec

show proof maybe?.. oh wait you cant! :flaw:

I disagree with this. His illness has everything to do with his MS.

When people say "full strength" Itachi, they mean Itachi that is not on the verge of death. His movements were limited, his chakra resource was limited, his stamina (which he lacks without the sickness) was also very low thanks to the sickness.

It's like comparing Hiruzen in his old age to his prime. Are you going to say that Hiruzen is on par with Orochimaru when he was in his prime and when they fought? NO. Hiruzen Sarutobi was not as strong as he was due to his old age, Anbu confirmed this. He could have destroyed Orochimaru if he was still the young Hokage.

Reading your whole post was a pain especially because of how you translate the manga events to fit your own personal agenda. Shisui did not help with the massacre. He was killed a day or two prior to the massacre. Itachi obtained the MS before the day he killed his clan. Tobi apparently helped him out but to what extent?

About Itachi having Shisui's eye; he did not use it. He saved it up for Naruto to use because he had "plans" for Sasuke. He was also feared by the sensors because apparently he was able to control people from outside the sensor's range and this was not thanks to Shisui's eye.

You're saying he didn't use his MS much and that he did not get the MS techniques right then. Well, Itachi confirmed that 3 techniques "awakened" in his eyes when he got MS. He already had full control of Tsukiyomi and was able to use Amaterasu fairly well in part 1. This was years after the massacre so obviously he had time to master it. In p2, he showed us Susano'o and that too was mastered. He had awakened it along with Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu on "that faithful day".


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At age 7, he graduated from the Ninja Academy at the top of his class after only one year, mastered the Sharingan at age eight, passed the Chūnin Exams at age 10, and became an ANBU Captain at age 13.

hey bruh, nice to see you on the thread!

and again, you fail to get what im saying.

i never said he was weak or that he had shisuis eye, or shisui helped him kill everyone. but rather the results of shisui dying gave birth to the ms (stated by itachi, needs to kill bf). and again him being sick has nothing to do with his skills. simple as that.

you compare the 3rd and itachi is sooooo irrelevant it is no where close to being the same. hiruzen wasnt sick, just had low chakra reserves. THATS IT! as in he was limited on what moves he did! itachi sick effected his health, not chakra, which moves he should do, not his ms techs etc etc. it isnt even close to being the same. MORAL: 3rd old= low chakra limit his jutsu selection. itachi sick= low health and maybe reactions that is all!

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fact! itachi states the more you use them the quicker they decend, correct? sasuke is living proof from after less then a week hes blind! so from what ITACHI has stated, its safe to assume he did not use his ms alot correct?...

and by ur logic your saying itachi got all three ms techs, matered them asap, and did it in the beginning???... -___- really?... bruh i respect your opinion but, it makes no sense.

Itachi fought Naruto and Bee without his MS, he was keeping up with both of them. Even dodging Bee's sword attacks which Sasuke could not follow with his MS. Both Kakashi and Sasuke had a hard time keeping up with Itachi's speed and he was shown to be more faster in part 1 compared to part 2. Even then, they could not keep up with him. Itachi hardly relies on his MS, only when he needs it.

Sasuke's fight is so irrelevant as he was obviously trying to kill himself by spamming his MS. Itachi is able to keep up with Naruto (Kyubi + Sage) and Bee with Samahada without his MS. He's extremely skilled in Taijutsu, Ninjutsu and Genjutsu. He only lacks stamina.

bee wasnt even in v1 when he was playing with itachi, he got serius on nagato tho! naruto was talking and wasnt taking it serius aswell, so why do you count that as if it was major epic full power? and p.s. sasukehad regular sharingan when he got owned by bee's swords aswell..

and why do ppl say he is skilled at ninjutsu? he only does fire techs and water techs when by water, he hasnt done anything spetacular. he is good at gen and tai tho. but ninjutsu isnt almighty like some of you would like to think (out side of amerteratsu).

kishi never said that he did not have mastery of ms techs in part 1 either so stop making such assumptions that only suit to your argument. Kishi is not gonna explicitly say everything to the readers some things are really obvious like how itachi is partially limited by his sickness. First off all how long did it take sasuke to learn his susano and how to use his amaterasu as a shield he learned that all in a day against A why can't itachi do that when he is even more of a genius than sasuke. And illnesses does affect your abilities it makes you slow even zetsu said itachi got hit by things he could have dodged and also he can't go all out for another reason his sickness which is already bad enough was even worse when he used susano limiting him to not go to his fullest ability.

sasuke had the power of darkness and litteraly had the ms handed to him with all of itachis abilities in them! so dont bring up that. its like giving a kid a loaded machine gun, instead of him working and earning the rights to hold and learn how to use one properly.. you get it?

again, it doesnt/didnt effect your/his chakra, or nin, gen, or tai. he was still doing everything as if he washealthy, he was just coffing at the end when in susanoo. not during the fight with sasuke but at the end.. go back and read the fight pls.. he was affected by his blindness at that time, thats why he couldnt dodge properly..

Kimmimaru was dying of curse mark, Curse mark GIVES you chakra, but kills.

Thats why itachi forced sasuke to bring out orochimaru so he can get rid of tha curse mark.

Dude its common sense, that a Healthy person would do better than a Half-blind, internally sick, person coughing up blood. like seriously COMMON SENSE.
Thats why he couldnt use full power because his limit was shortened due to internal sickness and overused eyes.

where did u get that buul from???? curse mark doesnt kill, it was no where stated in the manga! you have to temporarely die to obtain lv 2, but you dodnt get sick from it. kimmi had an unknown sickness and collapsed after they killed the 4th kazekage. not because of the CM.

and you still dont get what im saying.. im saying his skills, chakra, and blindness will still be the same if not sick!!! simple as that, him being sick has nothing to do with his skills, chakra, or powers!

Actually, according to the 3rd Databook by Kishimoto - Up till Nagato's saga. Itachi was ranked top with Jiraiya with 35.5 score. He beat Jiraiya in EVERYTHING from Taijustu to Ninjutsu and Genjutsu, Speed and Hand seals. Given his Taijustu and Ninjutsu were scored equally, Jiraiya only beats him in Stamina (what a surprise) and Physical Strength. Wait till Databook 4 .

And Itachi is fast not because of his genjutsu. Kakashi and Sasuke cannot keep up with his speed with their Sharingans. Bee cannot strike him with his sword technique which Sasuke could not track with his MS. Itachi is extremely fast with hand seals too making it seem like the clones appear out of no where.

bruh.. data book is irrelevant. why? they have almost everyone above naruto and sasuke. and kakshi on the lv of jman and itachi but above the 3rd hokage! so use proof from manga instead of using stats that mean nothing when arguing about the manga..

as i said, itachi is faster than he was before. that's what zetsu told us during the fight too. however, sasuke was still not completely regenerated when fighting bee and could see most of bees movements, he just had a problem with the 8 swords at once, which werent used against itachi.
so yes, itachi at full health is faster and probably has more stamina, but in difference to what many fanboys declared he is not now insanely much stronger and dominating every enemy.

finaly some one with sense! we are saying you fanbois put him on a god pedistool as if he would get 10 times stronger. which in reality could be far from the truth!

Why is it almost everytime u make a thread to get ur point across, u downplay somebody and talk about the people who disagree? Im not going to talk about the thread as ur mostly right but it is true that Not only was Itachi almost blind due to MS but was sick and they have not shown MS being tied to it. Sasuke basically mastered Amaterasu in the seems of a week and u think Itachi wouldn't have been able to master Tsukoyomi in that time or longer. It doesn't take years to master something. So saying Itachi when he first got it is just downplaying him and not true. I also hate that u talk about anyone who disagrees with u, its freaking annoying.

i respect your opinion, but you are far from wrong. i dont get on ppl, they try to bash me, but i trn it on them making them look stupid for trying to bash me. i respect everyones opinion... at first! till you say something to try to get at me, then thats when i put kids in their place. but nothing personal. just dont like noobs that are not true nauto MANGA readers..



overall most of you itachi fans fail to get the message i was saying. as in, (fact stated by itachi btw), you gradualy go blind when obtaining the ms, and faster go blind when over using it. as in, no matter what the blindness would affect him. whether sick or not, if you cant see you cant see! never said he was weak, or anything like that. you fanbois just need to realise if he was healthy, he wouldnt have been were he was when he died (crazy powerful and complete..). some of you need to take a chill pill and admitt when your fav character has a flaw or not. @arv993 is the only itachi fan that admitted when he was wrong, did he have to no. but he is atleast a fair person to dispute with. some of you should take notes form him. you might just learn something..


p.s. no one has proven me wrong btw.. still waiting....

 

[~WastelandSociety~]

Re: Itachi full health isnt better then sick itachi! overrated much? i think so!

A hater of ITACHI AND REALLY A CRYER CUZ EVERYONE WHO FIGHT ITACHI GOT OWNED 1.Itachi sick and atacked by kirin could handle a susano'o about 5 minutes and zetsu said he was able to dodge some of sasuke's atacks he didnt because cuz he was sick 2.if itachi is healthy (not sick) he would probably use it for over 20-30 minutes enough time to kill everyone in anime expect some characters. if ur sick and want to fight a person (on real life) is easier to fight sick or easier to fight in ur top form so stop making ridiculous thread so hater's this is the same a man that put a thread against minato u put against Itachi just cuz they win against everyone they fight, so stop crying noob

Well said,bro

 

[makinow kitomi]

Re: Itachi full health isnt better then sick itachi! overrated much? i think so!

Oro is a SICK FREACK he was aroused by Itachi's eye. thats why he got cought in it. A SICK FREAK HE WAS