Itachi's Strength

[~WastelandSociety~]

Re: Itachi full health isnt better then sick itachi! overrated much? i think so!

Ok... im off work! and was reading a bunch of bull might i add! dont take it personal! but... IM GOING IN!!!!







lol yea i know, i never said either one was weak. but rather if he was "full health" it wouldnt make a huge difference. and would make him weaker in a sense. but nice to see you on the thread bruh!






show proof maybe?.. oh wait you cant! :flaw:





hey bruh, nice to see you on the thread!

and again, you fail to get what im saying.

i never said he was weak or that he had shisuis eye, or shisui helped him kill everyone. but rather the results of shisui dying gave birth to the ms (stated by itachi, needs to kill bf). and again him being sick has nothing to do with his skills. simple as that.

you compare the 3rd and itachi is sooooo irrelevant it is no where close to being the same. hiruzen wasnt sick, just had low chakra reserves. THATS IT! as in he was limited on what moves he did! itachi sick effected his health, not chakra, which moves he should do, not his ms techs etc etc. it isnt even close to being the same. MORAL: 3rd old= low chakra limit his jutsu selection. itachi sick= low health and maybe reactions that is all!

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fact! itachi states the more you use them the quicker they decend, correct? sasuke is living proof from after less then a week hes blind! so from what ITACHI has stated, its safe to assume he did not use his ms alot correct?...

and by ur logic your saying itachi got all three ms techs, matered them asap, and did it in the beginning???... -___- really?... bruh i respect your opinion but, it makes no sense.





bee wasnt even in v1 when he was playing with itachi, he got serius on nagato tho! naruto was talking and wasnt taking it serius aswell, so why do you count that as if it was major epic full power? and p.s. sasukehad regular sharingan when he got owned by bee's swords aswell..

and why do ppl say he is skilled at ninjutsu? he only does fire techs and water techs when by water, he hasnt done anything spetacular. he is good at gen and tai tho. but ninjutsu isnt almighty like some of you would like to think (out side of amerteratsu).





sasuke had the power of darkness and litteraly had the ms handed to him with all of itachis abilities in them! so dont bring up that. its like giving a kid a loaded machine gun, instead of him working and earning the rights to hold and learn how to use one properly.. you get it?

again, it doesnt/didnt effect your/his chakra, or nin, gen, or tai. he was still doing everything as if he washealthy, he was just coffing at the end when in susanoo. not during the fight with sasuke but at the end.. go back and read the fight pls.. he was affected by his blindness at that time, thats why he couldnt dodge properly..






where did u get that buul from???? curse mark doesnt kill, it was no where stated in the manga! you have to temporarely die to obtain lv 2, but you dodnt get sick from it. kimmi had an unknown sickness and collapsed after they killed the 4th kazekage. not because of the CM.

and you still dont get what im saying.. im saying his skills, chakra, and blindness will still be the same if not sick!!! simple as that, him being sick has nothing to do with his skills, chakra, or powers!





bruh.. data book is irrelevant. why? they have almost everyone above naruto and sasuke. and kakshi on the lv of jman and itachi but above the 3rd hokage! so use proof from manga instead of using stats that mean nothing when arguing about the manga..




finaly some one with sense! we are saying you fanbois put him on a god pedistool as if he would get 10 times stronger. which in reality could be far from the truth!






i respect your opinion, but you are far from wrong. i dont get on ppl, they try to bash me, but i trn it on them making them look stupid for trying to bash me. i respect everyones opinion... at first! till you say something to try to get at me, then thats when i put kids in their place. but nothing personal. just dont like noobs that are not true nauto MANGA readers..



overall most of you itachi fans fail to get the message i was saying. as in, (fact stated by itachi btw), you gradualy go blind when obtaining the ms, and faster go blind when over using it. as in, no matter what the blindness would affect him. whether sick or not, if you cant see you cant see! never said he was weak, or anything like that. you fanbois just need to realise if he was healthy, he wouldnt have been were he was when he died (crazy powerful and complete..). some of you need to take a chill pill and admitt when your fav character has a flaw or not. @arv993 is the only itachi fan that admitted when he was wrong, did he have to no. but he is atleast a fair person to dispute with. some of you should take notes form him. you might just learn something..


p.s. no one has proven me wrong btw.. still waiting....

Ha! you most be blind,if you can't see the facts..Stop being " butt hurt" and look at the facts..Madara pointed out that Itachi was suffering from an illness long before the fight. :rofl:

 

[arv993]

Re: Itachi full health isnt better then sick itachi! overrated much? i think so!

@draegod the point ppl are trying to get across and the whole point of the thread is that itachi in prime(when he was not sick) is stronger or not then he was when he fought sasuke, in part 1 itachi had the ms for about 3-4 years do you really think that was not enough time for him to master his ms techs sasuke did that in week so why can't itachi do in a month or so he is even more naturally gifted than the sharingan, yes I have to agree there are ppl who think itachi would be a god but i can say easily that he would be quite better than he was against sasuke cos his speed and stamina improves which are key factors in fights. And there are also pain lovers and itachi haters in this thread stop making it seem like there are only ppl who love itachi here, one kid said that itachi is a regular jonin if he did not have ms and another kid thought disease does not affect your ability whatsoever, so stop telling ppl their fanboys when ppl who hate itachi make even more ignorant fanboyish statements. And how is itachi not good at regular ninjutsu he wasn't even using ms and made bee use his tailed beast hand to defend against just a regular fire style jutsu, it was not only bee who was not going all out but also itachi who was only small portion of his abilities.

 

[arv993]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

deva not dodging anything?? you'll get pawnd with this..

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this is just his fight alone with kakashi and friends im too lazy to find his other fights. this should be enough to prove you wrong.

khadyz stop taking my replies out of context i was talking his fight with the nine tails never talked about his fight with other jonin, read the post i was replying too b4 wasting your time finding manga pages.

 

[Kinimaster]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

manga states that shisui GOT the STRONGEST genjutsu in uchiha.that's everyone wants to get his eyes including danzo. genjutsu is the strongest asset of uchiha clan, thus making shisui far more superb than itachi.




raikage's arm lost because of what sasuke did to the flames. if sasuke cant change the shape of amaterasu he would have died to raikage. that is something special not even itachi can do.

dont bring crap like if sasuke can do it why not itachi. those are 2 different people you're talking about and sasuke already surpass itachi's amaterasu after that was shown.

Shisui got the strongest genjutsu and he could only use it once per decade, also bee said(dont know if he knows itachi at all) that shisui was the best genjutu user, but i think Itachi is smarter and more skilled as a ninja, i think thats why shisui trained with him and left him his eye.

 

[kadowade]

Re: Itachi full health isnt better then sick itachi! overrated much? i think so!

You still dont get it...... He was not only blind he was internally sick TOO! NOW im starting to question are you blind?!

Mangekyou Sharingan only causes blindness, Madara wasent coughing up blood ,was he NO, he was only losing his Eyesight, As for itachi was suffering BOTH. he was going blind just like Madara But since he was sick, He was coughing up Blood TOO, therefore putting him in bad health.

Itachi would still be a beast if he was Half-blind ,But he's not ONLY half-blind HE'S SICK.

And being sick decreases his overall limit, Because not only is he sick itachi has to deal With Sickness AND The strain Of Mangekyou Sharingan. So Itachi was VERY limited due to his poor health. Seriously dude ''Coughing up blood is a serious problem'' His body just couldnt take the Strain of Mangekyou And Illness especially at the same time.

You're right he shouldve died a long time ago, BUT IF YOU WAS PAYIN ATTENTION, madara SAID HE WAS PRELONGING HIS LIFE WITH MEDICATIONS. Im surprised his body could even take all that damage.

Basically his body was all washed up and kinda weak, So THE Strain From Mangekyou Sharingan would effect his Sick body. Now if his body was healthy, he wud be able to Endure more than what he can when he was sick.

And he was skilled in Ninjutsu he's done:
Katon: Phoenix immortal fire:
Katon Great fireball:
Shadow clone explosion:
Amaterasu
And all his jutsu was powerful, Even bee mention something about sameheda reaction to the heat.

It's pointless to explain if you believe a INternally damaged person, person coughing up blood, would do as good as a Healthy up 2 par person.

Itachi wasent called the God of The Black flame And the God of valour, For nothin.

 

[arv993]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

sample of an average itachi fanboy ^^^

anyone with EMS is STRONGER than anyone with only MS. and i think manga clearly states that shisui is far more superior than itachi. he got the strongest genjutsu + the MS. never in the manga mentioned itachi is the "strongest" uchiha.

manga states that shisui GOT the STRONGEST genjutsu in uchiha.that's everyone wants to get his eyes including danzo. genjutsu is the strongest asset of uchiha clan, thus making shisui far more superb than itachi.




raikage's arm lost because of what sasuke did to the flames. if sasuke cant change the shape of amaterasu he would have died to raikage. that is something special not even itachi can do.

dont bring crap like if sasuke can do it why not itachi. those are 2 different people you're talking about and sasuke already surpass itachi's amaterasu after that was shown.

they say only better in genjutsu that leaves things out like ninjutsu and taijutsu and we don't even kno if he had susano and amaterasu or not so stop saying he is stronger becuz you hav no proof and you are also forgetting his best genjutsu is KA and can only be used once in a decade. Just becuz shisui is good at genjutsu it doesn't mean itachi sucks. Itachi is also really good at genjutsu even madara says that. And if you say that shusui is still stronger show me proof where it says he is better than itachi uchiha. And sasuke is only better amaterasu itach is better with susano, genjutsu and is faster than sasuke just pointing it out.

 

[Inception]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

manga states that shisui GOT the STRONGEST genjutsu in uchiha.that's everyone wants to get his eyes including danzo. genjutsu is the strongest asset of uchiha clan, thus making shisui far more superb than itachi.




raikage's arm lost because of what sasuke did to the flames. if sasuke cant change the shape of amaterasu he would have died to raikage. that is something special not even itachi can do.

dont bring crap like if sasuke can do it why not itachi. those are 2 different people you're talking about and sasuke already surpass itachi's amaterasu after that was shown.

I never said Itachi can use Blaze release.

You're wrong about Raikage losing an arm just because of Sasuke being able to control his Amaterasu. Raikage punched through Susano'o + Amaterasu on purpose. Sasuke thought he was going to stop but Raikage did not.

And about Shisui. Again, the manga states that Shisui had the strongest MS genjutsu not the strongest MS sharingan.

 

[ablepema]

Re: Itachi full health isnt better then sick itachi! overrated much? i think so!

@draegod the point ppl are trying to get across and the whole point of the thread is that itachi in prime(when he was not sick) is stronger or not then he was when he fought sasuke, in part 1 itachi had the ms for about 3-4 years do you really think that was not enough time for him to master his ms techs sasuke did that in week so why can't itachi do in a month or so he is even more naturally gifted than the sharingan, yes I have to agree there are ppl who think itachi would be a god but i can say easily that he would be quite better than he was against sasuke cos his speed and stamina improves which are key factors in fights. And there are also pain lovers and itachi haters in this thread stop making it seem like there are only ppl who love itachi here, one kid said that itachi is a regular jonin if he did not have ms and another kid thought disease does not affect your ability whatsoever, so stop telling ppl their fanboys when ppl who hate itachi make even more ignorant fanboyish statements. And how is itachi not good at regular ninjutsu he wasn't even using ms and made bee use his tailed beast hand to defend against just a regular fire style jutsu, it was not only bee who was not going all out but also itachi who was only small portion of his abilities.

bee likes using his kyubi form alot so that itachi fire style doesn't really prove htat much i was agreeing with you until you said people made more ignorant statments than Itachi fanboys look at any thread that talks about Itachi you'll see what im talking about they say some things that don't make sense or just say it because Itachi's the best.
Itachi is good but his taijutsu skill again are not way up there he's good at it but not that great.His genjutsu he's great in his ninjutsu is actually great but not that nuch devastating moves.The only moves of Itachi that are really dangerous to an s rank ninja is his ms abilities and i'll say it again susanno is not invincible it's nearly invincible there are ways to beat it.

 

[makinow kitomi]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

i never said itachi can use blaze release.

You're wrong about raikage losing an arm just because of sasuke being able to control his amaterasu. Raikage punched through susano'o + amaterasu on purpose. Sasuke thought he was going to stop but raikage did not.

And about shisui. Again, the manga states that shisui had the strongest ms genjutsu not the strongest ms sharingan.

sup and yea

 

[kadowade]

Re: Itachi full health isnt better then sick itachi! overrated much? i think so!

bee likes using his kyubi form alot so that itachi fire style doesn't really prove htat much i was agreeing with you until you said people made more ignorant statments than Itachi fanboys look at any thread that talks about Itachi you'll see what im talking about they say some things that don't make sense or just say it because Itachi's the best.
Itachi is good but his taijutsu skill again are not way up there he's good at it but not that great.His genjutsu he's great in his ninjutsu is actually great but not that nuch devastating moves.The only moves of Itachi that are really dangerous to an s rank ninja is his ms abilities and i'll say it again susanno is not invincible it's nearly invincible there are ways to beat it.

He never uses it in the beggining of a fight, he usually just raps and fights, then when things get challengin he uses tailed beast. (like when he fought sasuke, and jugo and sugetsu, he didnt use tailed beast right off the bat.

He knew that fireball was intense therefore he use his tailed beast hand, otherwise he wouldve used his regular arm ,lol. it was too hot for samaheada, too, he couldnt even absorb it

 

[arv993]

Re: Itachi full health isnt better then sick itachi! overrated much? i think so!

bee likes using his kyubi form alot so that itachi fire style doesn't really prove htat much i was agreeing with you until you said people made more ignorant statments than Itachi fanboys look at any thread that talks about Itachi you'll see what im talking about they say some things that don't make sense or just say it because Itachi's the best.
Itachi is good but his taijutsu skill again are not way up there he's good at it but not that great.His genjutsu he's great in his ninjutsu is actually great but not that nuch devastating moves.The only moves of Itachi that are really dangerous to an s rank ninja is his ms abilities and i'll say it again susanno is not invincible it's nearly invincible there are ways to beat it.

dude have you been reading other posts by ppl who aren't itachi fanboysl have been saying one person said itachi is a regular jonin without ms and that is such bs he was the anbu captain, put oro in genjutsu and was claimed as one of the most gifted even b4 he had the ms. One kid was saying that sickness doesn't do anything and gave the examples like science has proven that with enough will power ppl can overcome diseases and stuff like that but really how is that not bs and those were all statements trying to make itachi look bad, all i am saying is that what draegod said itachi fanboys are stupid making bad arguments and i was just advising him to go read other posts against itachi which are outrageously stupid. And also bee could not dodge fast enough that is why he used his hand he even said how it was hot or what not, so i was just saying itachi was not going all out but some ppl said he couldn't do anything against bee but the fight did not even progress far and itachi and bee did not use any of their powers.

 

[Kranium]

Re: Itachi full health isnt better then sick itachi! overrated much? i think so!

STFU i hate you

 

[Kranium]

Re: why do some of you guys think Itachi invincible?

Itachi is God

 

[Draegod]

Re: Itachi full health isnt better then sick itachi! overrated much? i think so!

@draegod the point ppl are trying to get across and the whole point of the thread is that itachi in prime(when he was not sick) is stronger or not then he was when he fought sasuke, in part 1 itachi had the ms for about 3-4 years do you really think that was not enough time for him to master his ms techs sasuke did that in week so why can't itachi do in a month or so he is even more naturally gifted than the sharingan, yes I have to agree there are ppl who think itachi would be a god but i can say easily that he would be quite better than he was against sasuke cos his speed and stamina improves which are key factors in fights. And there are also pain lovers and itachi haters in this thread stop making it seem like there are only ppl who love itachi here, one kid said that itachi is a regular jonin if he did not have ms and another kid thought disease does not affect your ability whatsoever, so stop telling ppl their fanboys when ppl who hate itachi make even more ignorant fanboyish statements. And how is itachi not good at regular ninjutsu he wasn't even using ms and made bee use his tailed beast hand to defend against just a regular fire style jutsu, it was not only bee who was not going all out but also itachi who was only small portion of his abilities.

i feel ya bruh. but i am not the others and i dont classify you a itachi fanboi, but a naruto fan who likes itachi. and i cant speak for the itachi haters (because i am not one) but its not itachi that they hate i suppose, more so the fans that know nothing about naruto...

the others (with exception to a few true itachi fans i know) are out of line and are blind to the fact that itachi sick or not has shown his best (probably not best condition, but power wise and intellegence wise, yes!) what i am saying is he (who was not sick at the time), wasnt that great and prob didnt have 100% powers like when he was at the end of his ropes. he is strong either way, but not a big difference like many make it out to be.

but i feel were your coming from, i been knew what you meant, thats why i was surprised when you came at me sideways. overall its my opinion, and yours is yours.

 

[kadowade]

Re: Itachi full health isnt better then sick itachi! overrated much? i think so!

dude have you been reading other posts by ppl who aren't itachi fanboysl have been saying one person said itachi is a regular jonin without ms and that is such bs he was the anbu captain, put oro in genjutsu and was claimed as one of the most gifted even b4 he had the ms. One kid was saying that sickness doesn't do anything and gave the examples like science has proven that with enough will power ppl can overcome diseases and stuff like that but really how is that not bs and those were all statements trying to make itachi look bad, all i am saying is that what draegod said itachi fanboys are stupid making bad arguments and i was just advising him to go read other posts against itachi which are outrageously stupid. And also bee could not dodge fast enough that is why he used his hand he even said how it was hot or what not, so i was just saying itachi was not going all out but some ppl said he couldn't do anything against bee but the fight did not even progress far and itachi and bee did not use any of their powers.

exactly,

lmao that other cat was talkin bout ''Willpower'' and shit. He purposely did that 2 make itachi look bad, U_U

 

[Draegod]

Re: Itachi full health isnt better then sick itachi! overrated much? i think so!

STFU i hate you

dude :flaw: (slaps the Crap out of him), its not that serius! xdxd its just a cartoon!

 

[arv993]

Re: Itachi full health isnt better then sick itachi! overrated much? i think so!

i feel ya bruh. but i am not the others and i dont classify you a itachi fanboi, but a naruto fan who likes itachi. and i cant speak for the itachi haters (because i am not one) but its not itachi that they hate i suppose, more so the fans that know nothing about naruto...

the others (with exception to a few true itachi fans i know) are out of line and are blind to the fact that itachi sick or not has shown his best (probably not best condition, but power wise and intellegence wise, yes!) what i am saying is he (who was not sick at the time), wasnt that great and prob didnt have 100% powers like when he was at the end of his ropes. he is strong either way, but not a big difference like many make it out to be.

but i feel were your coming from, i been knew what you meant, thats why i was surprised when you came at me sideways. overall its my opinion, and yours is yours.

Thank you. you at least acknowledge the fact that he is not at his 100%. And yes he won't be a god if he is healthy but able to put up a better fight than he last showed us against sasuke. No the reason i had to come at you is becos you made a statement that itachi fanboys make outlandish statements but i just wanted u to kno some of the other bs said that was against itachi, which if you go back and read will make you laugh.

 

[ablepema]

Re: Itachi full health isnt better then sick itachi! overrated much? i think so!

dude have you been reading other posts by ppl who aren't itachi fanboysl have been saying one person said itachi is a regular jonin without ms and that is such bs he was the anbu captain, put oro in genjutsu and was claimed as one of the most gifted even b4 he had the ms. One kid was saying that sickness doesn't do anything and gave the examples like science has proven that with enough will power ppl can overcome diseases and stuff like that but really how is that not bs and those were all statements trying to make itachi look bad, all i am saying is that what draegod said itachi fanboys are stupid making bad arguments and i was just advising him to go read other posts against itachi which are outrageously stupid. And also bee could not dodge fast enough that is why he used his hand he even said how it was hot or what not, so i was just saying itachi was not going all out but some ppl said he couldn't do anything against bee but the fight did not even progress far and itachi and bee did not use any of their powers.

I'm not saying There aren't people saying things against Itachi but some of those statments actually make sense rather than saying Itachi sucks so bad it wouldn't make a difference, some back up there post like the will power and other statements so idk how that's bs and the anbu captain is actually a good thing it's not shit so there are mix arguments.But you shouldn't sy other good arguments that you say are bs because you couldn't really say that it wasn't the case.draegod doesn't mean all Itachi fanboys argument are stupid just the one's that say" Itachi will only lose to ems madara or hashirama other than that Itachi is the best"Only those statements are what he meant.Bee doesn't need to dodge he has a tailed beast he doesn't needd to dodge all the time.Look not all people are saying itachi can't really do anything but at the same time you can't just say Itachi is still in control of the fight and is only pacing with bee they are being controlled remember.

 

[ablepema]

Re: Itachi full health isnt better then sick itachi! overrated much? i think so!

exactly,

lmao that other cat was talkin bout ''Willpower'' and shit. He purposely did that 2 make itachi look bad, U_U

why don't you guys believe there's will power in naruto like the will of fire of konoha citizens like Itachi that's his statement you guys just don't want to believe it's possible at least consider and try to understand the post instead of saying it's bs.

 

[arv993]

Re: Itachi full health isnt better then sick itachi! overrated much? i think so!

I'm not saying There aren't people saying things against Itachi but some of those statments actually make sense rather than saying Itachi sucks so bad it wouldn't make a difference, some back up there post like the will power and other statements so idk how that's bs and the anbu captain is actually a good thing it's not shit so there are mix arguments.But you shouldn't sy other good arguments that you say are bs because you couldn't really say that it wasn't the case.draegod doesn't mean all Itachi fanboys argument are stupid just the one's that say" Itachi will only lose to ems madara or hashirama other than that Itachi is the best"Only those statements are what he meant.Bee doesn't need to dodge he has a tailed beast he doesn't needd to dodge all the time.Look not all people are saying itachi can't really do anything but at the same time you can't just say Itachi is still in control of the fight and is only pacing with bee they are being controlled remember.

no you didn't get what i was trying to say it is hard to explain but easier to read the post itself but let me help you one kid said itachi without ms is an average jonin and i was just saying to you in response how is that possible becuz he was anbu captain at age 13 which already means he is above an average jounin. And trust me go read some of the other posts and you will kno what i am talking about i can't explain it all to you. i am just trying to point out to draegod there is more than one side to that and there are ppl who make stupid statements who don't like itachi. Ok i recognize your point that kabuto was controlling him( i never said he was in control of the fight) but i am just trying to point out the difference in his speed and how he has the capability to do some of the things he is doing in edo form if he were healthier than in part 2 like when he was in part 1.