[Discussion] Itachi‘s failure as a brother and a shinobi

[bboyhurricane]

Itachi‘s failure as a brother and a shinobi (not talking about intelligence or abilities)

This whole mess started with Itachi not fully committing to a mission he took upon himself, sure the elders gave him the orders, but it was his decision to obey or not.

He ended up doing a half job which resulted in ruining Sasuke’s life. Sasuke would have found peace if his life ended the night of the massacre, because then he wouldn’t have carried the extreme amount of hate he has now. You might say he couldn’t make himself kill his beloved little brother, which might have had some merit if he didn’t just murder his entire clan, his mother and father included. Itachi was willing to kill for his ideology and leaders, so him not completing the task was selfish and it obviously came back to haunt him and the entire shinobi alliance.

The remainings of itachi’s life was focused on redeeming himself, by making sure Sasuke was strong enough to not only kill him, but also move on with his life after carrying such a big burden. Itachi’s methods were also questionable here´, because he actually made sasuke more miserable by constantly mocking and humiliate him just so Sasuke’s hate could grow(with powers).Very counterproductive, because this also removed Sasuke from the love and appreciation he received from the village, and more importantly Team 7.

The only one who could/would tell Sasuke about the massacre was madara. Itachi knew that, but obviously he couldn’t take down madara, so he decided to keep an eye on him and keep him in check, which at best was a temporarely solution .When he died, his worst nightmare happened and sasuke got picked up by madara, and itachi’s desperate attempt at stopping madara(the strongest uchiha in history)with sasuke’s eyes failed yet again.I don’t think itachi thought this long, but rather put the ameterasu as an extra guarantee otherwise he would’ve thought of something better.

Finally, the last chance to help/manipulate sasuke into joining the good side failed with shisui’s eye getting exposed used against a zombie version of itachi. This was his last resort, and sasuke’s destiny is for always out of itachi’s hands, hence the failure as not just a shinobi but a brother.He now has to rely on other folks to do what he himself couldn’t. Action speaks louder than words, and itachi’s good intentions doesn’t change the events which occured.

For real man? Ok, we got a hater here. Obviously you like Sasuke more than Itachi, and that's fine.

But....he's not a failure!!!!
Believe me when I say that Sasuke ruined his own stupid life!! HE HAD THE OPTION FOR PEACE in Konoha, and he decided to run down the path of revenge in the end, even though it wasn't fatal to his living like he claimed. Sasuke then got said revenge, and started to go insane! Instead of letting it go, he decided to join the bad guy(I still think it's an act), even after he said he'd kill the "other" uchiha that survived. Then he goes after Konoha, and still hates the only potential friends he had, Naruto and Sakura.

Now, my point is, that he's stupid BECAUSE he says he wants the Leaf to stop laughing scornfully at him. He "wants" Itachi back, even though it's HIS OWN FAULT that Itachi is gone, and he's so whiny now. He has NO skills anymore that are his own save Kirin, everything is given to him, and he doesn't train for anything anymore.
My friend, he wrecked his own little life because he has no control, and his hatred is off to the wrong people.

Itachi cannot be called a failure EVER! He freakin broke out of Kabuto's Jutsu! I don't care who you are, that's freakin amazing in it's own right.
He's smarter than Shikamaru, and he's planned this far ahead, even after his own death! you can't deny those are great feats! And I know you said not smarts, but no one else can plan this far ahead, and he knew exactly what Sasuke would do, and he's still caring towards his bro.

Also notice how he doesn't want to kill Sasuke....huh? Even now, so why do you think that is? He's still protecting his weak and foolish brother, and with Naruto's and Shusui's help, he'll be able to protect Konoha.

Sasuke just went down the wrong road on his own because he doesn't care about anyone anymore.He deserves the stompdown that's coming to him!

I was so annoyed at Nagato in the latest chapter! It was REALLY interesting till that little bugger went nuts!

If by your standards Itachi is a failure, then Sasuke is in worse shape in that category. Itachi is a good brother, and you can't change how we view that.
peace

 

[khaydz5]

Itachi‘s failure as a brother and a shinobi (not talking about intelligence or abilities)

This whole mess started with Itachi not fully committing to a mission he took upon himself, sure the elders gave him the orders, but it was his decision to obey or not.

He ended up doing a half job which resulted in ruining Sasuke’s life. Sasuke would have found peace if his life ended the night of the massacre, because then he wouldn’t have carried the extreme amount of hate he has now. You might say he couldn’t make himself kill his beloved little brother, which might have had some merit if he didn’t just murder his entire clan, his mother and father included. Itachi was willing to kill for his ideology and leaders, so him not completing the task was selfish and it obviously came back to haunt him and the entire shinobi alliance.

The remainings of itachi’s life was focused on redeeming himself, by making sure Sasuke was strong enough to not only kill him, but also move on with his life after carrying such a big burden. Itachi’s methods were also questionable here´, because he actually made sasuke more miserable by constantly mocking and humiliate him just so Sasuke’s hate could grow(with powers).Very counterproductive, because this also removed Sasuke from the love and appreciation he received from the village, and more importantly Team 7.

The only one who could/would tell Sasuke about the massacre was madara. Itachi knew that, but obviously he couldn’t take down madara, so he decided to keep an eye on him and keep him in check, which at best was a temporarely solution .When he died, his worst nightmare happened and sasuke got picked up by madara, and itachi’s desperate attempt at stopping madara(the strongest uchiha in history)with sasuke’s eyes failed yet again.I don’t think itachi thought this long, but rather put the ameterasu as an extra guarantee otherwise he would’ve thought of something better.

Finally, the last chance to help/manipulate sasuke into joining the good side failed with shisui’s eye getting exposed used against a zombie version of itachi. This was his last resort, and sasuke’s destiny is for always out of itachi’s hands, hence the failure as not just a shinobi but a brother.He now has to rely on other folks to do what he himself couldn’t. Action speaks louder than words, and itachi’s good intentions doesn’t change the events which occured.

very well said.. this is what i also think about itachi.. the fans where just blinded about the facts..

you were one of the few that can really understand what was happening on the manga

 

[lubricati0n]

Itachi‘s failure as a brother and a shinobi (not talking about intelligence or abilities)

This whole mess started with Itachi not fully committing to a mission he took upon himself, sure the elders gave him the orders, but it was his decision to obey or not.

He ended up doing a half job which resulted in ruining Sasuke’s life. Sasuke would have found peace if his life ended the night of the massacre, because then he wouldn’t have carried the extreme amount of hate he has now. You might say he couldn’t make himself kill his beloved little brother, which might have had some merit if he didn’t just murder his entire clan, his mother and father included. Itachi was willing to kill for his ideology and leaders, so him not completing the task was selfish and it obviously came back to haunt him and the entire shinobi alliance.

The remainings of itachi’s life was focused on redeeming himself, by making sure Sasuke was strong enough to not only kill him, but also move on with his life after carrying such a big burden. Itachi’s methods were also questionable here´, because he actually made sasuke more miserable by constantly mocking and humiliate him just so Sasuke’s hate could grow(with powers).Very counterproductive, because this also removed Sasuke from the love and appreciation he received from the village, and more importantly Team 7.

The only one who could/would tell Sasuke about the massacre was madara. Itachi knew that, but obviously he couldn’t take down madara, so he decided to keep an eye on him and keep him in check, which at best was a temporarely solution .When he died, his worst nightmare happened and sasuke got picked up by madara, and itachi’s desperate attempt at stopping madara(the strongest uchiha in history)with sasuke’s eyes failed yet again.I don’t think itachi thought this long, but rather put the ameterasu as an extra guarantee otherwise he would’ve thought of something better.

Finally, the last chance to help/manipulate sasuke into joining the good side failed with shisui’s eye getting exposed used against a zombie version of itachi. This was his last resort, and sasuke’s destiny is for always out of itachi’s hands, hence the failure as not just a shinobi but a brother.He now has to rely on other folks to do what he himself couldn’t. Action speaks louder than words, and itachi’s good intentions doesn’t change the events which occured.

Nope not a failure.

Due to Itachi witnessing war during his youth(he was strongly AGAINST war), he only had one choice to make and that was to go along with the mission. The Uchiha were planning to overthrow Konoha, and if it were successful then a civil war would begin and if Konoha became vulnerable other villages would wage war as well. Hence, he had to spy on the Uchiha and eventually be given the mission to get rid of them. Also, through discovering the existence of Madara who wanted to wage war, Itachi offered to help Madara claim vengeance against the Uchiha so war could not happen. Therefore, Itachi could not go against the elders orders.

Itachi did complete the job and did NOT ruin Sasukes life. Leaving Sasuke alive with hate was the only way for Sasuke to be seen as a hero after killing Itachi. The hate within Sasuke is self-generated. If you were in Sasukes position you would let your anger take over to murder the elders as well. Itachis job was completed as Sasuke alone cannot plan a rebellion(At the time), hence the Uchiha are no longer a threat to Konoha at all, thus Itachis aims are also fulfilled. And how was it selfish? If Sasuke had chosen the path to be the hero, Madara would still have the capacity to wage war.

How did Itachi make Sasuke life more miserable? Did he not develop a bond during the time he was in team 7. Sasuke was just tempted by Oro's offer of power which was demonstrated through the sound 5. Sasuke could have chosen to live a more positive life but still have the goal of murdering Itachi. Therefore, it wasnt Itachi who made his life miserable it was himself, it was himself.

The only one who could have told Sasuke is Madara, true. However, Madara himself took a gamble. There was a 50% chance that Sasuke would not join Madara, so it is Sasukes own decision as he is influenced by hate due to the fact that he himself could not recognize what Itachi was doing for him. Like you said, Madara is the most powerful Uchiha to date. If this is true then someone like Itachi would not compare to his power. Itachi probably didn't even know what kind of power Madara had, hence the chance of failure was pretty high. But in the end it was Sasukes OWN decision.

True, the plan with Shisuis eye failed. However, you cannot say that Itachi's attempt(s) to help Sasuke has completely failed. Itachi was well aware that his MS would cause Shisuis technique to activate, but he still used his MS. Why? Because Itachi still has a plan, and with Naruto anything can be possible(talk no jutsu anyone??). Therefore, Itachi has not failed as a brother(just yet!). Itachi has not failed as a shinobi either due to the fact that he was able to successfully prevent a internal war and he did his best for Sasuke. In Naruto, Words speak louder than actions(example is Naruto) and Itachi's good intentions may not have influenced Sasuke, but at the time everyone was taking a gamble(Itachi, Madara, Konoha), hence it was Sasukes own decision to go after the elders.

 

[DeathReaperSeal]

Itachi was not a failure, in my eyes and I don't need a argument.
Because that's how I think and I don't push you to think like me.

 

[siyo]

For real man? Ok, we got a hater here. Obviously you like Sasuke more than Itachi, and that's fine.

But....he's not a failure!!!!
Believe me when I say that Sasuke ruined his own stupid life!! HE HAD THE OPTION FOR PEACE in Konoha, and he decided to run down the path of revenge in the end, even though it wasn't fatal to his living like he claimed. Sasuke then got said revenge, and started to go insane! Instead of letting it go, he decided to join the bad guy(I still think it's an act), even after he said he'd kill the "other" uchiha that survived. Then he goes after Konoha, and still hates the only potential friends he had, Naruto and Sakura.

Itachi cannot be called a failure EVER! He freakin broke out of Kabuto's Jutsu! I don't care who you are, that's freakin amazing in it's own right.
He's smarter than Shikamaru, and he's planned this far ahead, even after his own death! you can't deny those are great feats! And I know you said not smarts, but no one else can plan this far ahead, and he knew exactly what Sasuke would do, and he's still caring towards his bro.

Also notice how he doesn't want to kill Sasuke....huh? Even now, so why do you think that is? He's still protecting his weak and foolish brother, and with Naruto's and Shusui's help, he'll be able to protect Konoha.

first off, i already said that i am not judging his intelligence or his abilties,so i won't comment on that and nowhere in my statement do i say that i love sasuke or that i hate itachi uchiha.

Sasuke's no saint believe me, but we're talking about itachi and you've to admit that he made life miserabele for itachi.And itachi himself said that if sasuke joined the dark side and started fighting konoha, he then would have failed.

Nope not a failure.

Due to Itachi witnessing war during his youth(he was strongly AGAINST war), he only had one choice to make and that was to go along with the mission. The Uchiha were planning to overthrow Konoha, and if it were successful then a civil war would begin and if Konoha became vulnerable other villages would wage war as well. Hence, he had to spy on the Uchiha and eventually be given the mission to get rid of them. Also, through discovering the existence of Madara who wanted to wage war, Itachi offered to help Madara claim vengeance against the Uchiha so war could not happen. Therefore, Itachi could not go against the elders orders.

welcome to the base..k here we go

Itachi had a choice he may not have liked the consequences of his choices,but nonetheless he had a choice(even if it meant dying for his cause).I know the role itachi had, and you're a right in the fact that itachi both loved his clan and he was more importantly loyal to konoha.He tried to have peace,but when that didn't work out he took the hard decision it was to slaughter his entire clan.Itachi was a trained assasin and he was ready to kill for what he believed in.look like shisui felt the same,but i dont think he could go through with what itachi was planning(but we don't know this for sure).

Itachi did complete the job and did NOT ruin Sasukes life. Leaving Sasuke alive with hate was the only way for Sasuke to be seen as a hero after killing Itachi. The hate within Sasuke is self-generated. If you were in Sasukes position you would let your anger take over to murder the elders as well. Itachis job was completed as Sasuke alone cannot plan a rebellion(At the time), hence the Uchiha are no longer a threat to Konoha at all, thus Itachis aims are also fulfilled. And how was it selfish? If Sasuke had chosen the path to be the hero, Madara would still have the capacity to wage war.

itachi did not complete the job,since the job required him to slaughter his entire clan, sasuke included.I don't know if it was guilt,love or selfishness for him wanting to restore uchiha's honor when he just killed them all(probably combo of all three elements).itachi turned out to be somewhat human,but it was at the wrong time, and him not killing sasuke was dangerous because he could have created a monster in the future.

you can't deny sasuke having trauma because of what itachi did,it was not like it was some hidden figure doing the dirty work,no he saw his own beloved big brother standing over him while telling him to meet him when he gets stronger(while the blood of his clan clogged his eyesight).Therefore you cannot claim that all of sasuke's hate was self-generated,no matter how you try to spin it.

How did Itachi make Sasuke life more miserable? Did he not develop a bond during the time he was in team 7. Sasuke was just tempted by Oro's offer of power which was demonstrated through the sound 5. Sasuke could have chosen to live a more positive life but still have the goal of murdering Itachi. Therefore, it wasnt Itachi who made his life miserable it was himself, it was himself.

what i meant here was that itachi was holding up his facade, which scared sasuke for life.He messed with sasuke's brain when he completely humiliated him when they met, and openly said that he was weak and useless plus to top it off he made it clear he was interested in naruto.
what do you think this did for sasuke's mental state?Knowing that the guy who murdered your entire family was not even interested in you,no he was interested in your partner.
All this made sasuke grave for power(and cut his strings with team 7),and this is where oro stepped in.

The only one who could have told Sasuke is Madara, true. However, Madara himself took a gamble. There was a 50% chance that Sasuke would not join Madara, so it is Sasukes own decision as he is influenced by hate due to the fact that he himself could not recognize what Itachi was doing for him. Like you said, Madara is the most powerful Uchiha to date. If this is true then someone like Itachi would not compare to his power. Itachi probably didn't even know what kind of power Madara had, hence the chance of failure was pretty high. But in the end it was Sasukes OWN decision.

you're pretty much right here and the only hing i can say that even though madara was the strongest uchiha to date you wouldthink that itachi the genious would have figured something out(especiallly after all those years).

True, the plan with Shisuis eye failed. However, you cannot say that Itachi's attempt(s) to help Sasuke has completely failed. Itachi was well aware that his MS would cause Shisuis technique to activate, but he still used his MS. Why? Because Itachi still has a plan, and with Naruto anything can be possible(talk no jutsu anyone??). Therefore, Itachi has not failed as a brother(just yet!). Itachi has not failed as a shinobi either due to the fact that he was able to successfully prevent a internal war and he did his best for Sasuke. In Naruto, Words speak louder than actions(example is Naruto) and Itachi's good intentions may not have influenced Sasuke, but at the time everyone was taking a gamble(Itachi, Madara, Konoha), hence it was Sasukes own decision to go after the elders.

What i'm saying is that sasuke's destiny is for always out of itachi's hands(unless zombie itachi does something),and it is up to other folks like naruto to try their best,hence the failing as a brother.Itachi himself said that if sasuke attacked konoha he would have pretty much betrayed him,and that is what we're seeing now.

He did prevent a war, but also left a potential door open(by sparing sasuke) for a disaster in the futuire.He knew that madara was out there and he is never up to no good.

i will give you that words play an impiortant role in this manga,and naruto is the maste in it.

 

[ReLax -]

Hmm well you see if you want to blame Itachi for his failure maybe you should look back at the failures of others that led to this war/hatred world instead of making a topic pointing out Itachi faults.

When the SoP6 entrust his young son to carry on his dream/peace it led to the battle between the elder brother and younger, (Skip) which than led to the Uchiha and Senju clan and the battles begun than. The two Shinobi's amoung them that were leaders of their respective clan was Hashirama of the Senju and Madara of the Uchiha. Their battle would go on till the day the clans decided to join and make a village for them all to live in. We skip a head to the battle between Hashirama and Madara it was known as Hashirama not only defeated but killed Madara, If Tobi really is Madara than clearly Hashirama was a failure which than led to the disaster events due to Hashirama failure. Than came to Kyuubi attack from no one other than Tobi/Madara and that led to Itachi's mission.

Others who were failures are 3rd for not being able to stop (where Oro left the village) or kill Oro (when Oro attacked Konoh). Jiriaya also failed in bring Oro back, also he failed on considering Minato and Nagato as child of prophecy. This led to the whole Nagato thing and end up losing/dying to him which led to him destroying Konoho till Naruto showed up. Oro whole Sharingan purpose was a flop to only for him being beaten by Sasuke (I know Oro was weak but still he lost) and than sealed away by Itachi. Danzou was also a failure on taking over as Hokage and bring peace within Konoho. In the end most likely Kabuto and Tobi/Madara will be failures also. Their were probably more failures also.

As it goes for Itachi he was successful in his mission on killing the Uchiha clan and preventing war. As Sasuke goes, dead or alive wouldn't stop Tobi/Madara for starting a war with the alliance. His (Itachi) desire was for Sasuke to kill him and go back to Konoho as a hero and revive the Uchiha name. He (Itachi) obviously knew it wouldn't be that easy and hoping Sasuke would use his head instead of the curse the Uchiha's have had 'Revenge'.

As the eye part goes Itachi states here

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He couldn't use it at least than as it does take a decade to activate and than states he has had other plans for Sasuke and his (Itachi) death. (In a quick and thought up theory I think he wanted to say something to Sasuke but as we all know his disease and that intense battle had killed him.)

At the end the person decision is his own their is so much a person can do, Itachi had planned a lot of Sasuke even Tobi/Madara said it but Sasuke chose his own path. (This also apply for the failures I have listed above).

In an overall opinion Itachi was successful in caring out his mission but failed to protect his brother, which Itachi had very little say in Sasuke choosing his path.

Also considering what Itachi has done so far....

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Tobi/Madara's (Their is also one where Tobi states that his biggest problem Itach is out of the way).

Itachi also seems to amaze, so him having another triumph card for Naruto use or against Sasuke or Tobi/Madara wouldn't be surprised.

 

[siyo]

Hmm well you see if you want to blame Itachi for his failure maybe you should look back at the failures of others that led to this war/hatred world instead of making a topic pointing out Itachi faults.


As it goes for Itachi he was successful in his mission on killing the Uchiha clan and preventing war. As Sasuke goes, dead or alive wouldn't stop Tobi/Madara for starting a war with the alliance. His (Itachi) desire was for Sasuke to kill him and go back to Konoho as a hero and revive the Uchiha name. He (Itachi) obviously knew it wouldn't be that easy and hoping Sasuke would use his head instead of the curse the Uchiha's have had 'Revenge'.

As the eye part goes Itachi states here

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He couldn't use it at least than as it does take a decade to activate and than states he has had other plans for Sasuke and his (Itachi) death. (In a quick and thought up theory I think he wanted to say something to Sasuke but as we all know his disease and that intense battle had killed him.)

At the end the person decision is his own their is so much a person can do, Itachi had planned a lot of Sasuke even Tobi/Madara said it but Sasuke chose his own path. (This also apply for the failures I have listed above).

In an overall opinion Itachi was successful in caring out his mission but failed to protect his brother, which Itachi had very little say in Sasuke choosing his path.

Tobi/Madara's (Their is also one where Tobi states that his biggest problem Itach is out of the way).

Itachi also seems to amaze, so him having another triumph card for Naruto use or against Sasuke or Tobi/Madara wouldn't be surprised.

Ok first off, a lot of people have failed and caused heartbreak(the third not killing oro etc..), but i chose itachi not only for the fact that his decisions and action affected people the most, but also because a lot of folks could not see anything wrong with what itachi did(considered flawless).

Can we agree on that the job description was to kill every uchiha member alive?And if so he failed by not killing sasuke, and yes he did prevent a war,but also created a monster in the process.

As you say, itachi failed to take care of his brother,and that was his life goal.He wanted sasuke to restore the uchha honor and fight long side konoha.

yes, itachi is very powerful,and madara respected/feared itachi enough to make that deal to not take out konoha,but honestly who made the better deal?Madara the immortal one who can just sit and wait itachi to die,and then proceed to pick up sasuke and cause massive destruction or would you say itachi made the better deal when we know madara was the only one who was goin go tell sasuke about the truth about the killings of the uchiha clan?Clealry,if itachi could have taken down madara he would have...

 

[ReLax -]

Ok first off, a lot of people have failed and caused heartbreak(the third not killing oro etc..), but i chose itachi not only for the fact that his decisions and action affected people the most, but also because a lot of folks could not see anything wrong with what itachi did(considered flawless).

Can we agree on that the job description was to kill every uchiha member alive?And if so he failed by not killing sasuke, and yes he did prevent a war,but also created a monster in the process.

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As you say, itachi failed to take care of his brother,and that was his life goal.He wanted sasuke to restore the uchha honor and fight long side konoha.

yes, itachi is very powerful,and madara respected/feared itachi enough to make that deal to not take out konoha,but honestly who made the better deal?Madara the immortal one who can just sit and wait itachi to die,and then proceed to pick up sasuke and cause massive destruction or would you say itachi made the better deal when we know madara was the only one who was goin go tell sasuke about the truth about the killings of the uchiha clan?Clealry,if itachi could have taken down madara he would have...

Well Hashirama failure on killing Toib/Madara led to a huge monster even bigger than Sasuke, just look at Tobi/Madara now Izanagi, Teleportation, 7 tail beast, Sharingans/MS/EMS (Don't know if he has MS or EMS but will put that their), and now Rinnegan. All this came from a failure, Hashirama. 3rd/Jiriaya also failed to do anything about Oro which also led to a monster which attacked Konoho and Jiriaya also created a monster Nagato/Pein. He failed to even stop him leading in his death and destruction of Konoho. considered flawless much? A lot of people could not see anything wrong with what these guys have done also. Sasuke has yet to attacked Konoho so he isn't in a bad spot as these guys were.

We can agree that Missing-nin are a threat to villages and should be taken out but yet these people failed. They also created monsters in the process of protecting their villages.

Itachi goal was to keep Konoho away from war and Tobi/Madara way from Konoho as long as he could. Sasuke was just a desire for him. He (Itachi) wished that Sasuke would get stronger seek him out and than kill him going back to Konoho as a hero, also reviving the Uchiha clan name. There is still hope for Sasuke, I do believe near the end his brain will click in and he will fight for the alliance (Konoho) as Itachi desired.

Tobi/Madara respected Itachi and yes the deal did go his way but he has stated if Itachi knew about him (everything) he would have killed him. He also respect Itachi and agreed to the deal if Itachi couldn't stand a chance in a battle with Tobi/Madara why would Tobi/Madara make the deal? Not saying Itachi can beat him in anyway. Tobi didn't want Itachi to become an obstacle he would need to overcome knowing it would delay and be a pain in his plan. In the recent chapter Itachi was shocked that Tobi/Madara knew about Itachi true plan that night when he most likely shouldn't have. (question is did Tobi just make up what he told Sasuke? or was some of it true but most made up? Which he did lie about the Kyuubi attack).

 

[Avani]

Off course Itachi would have killed Madara if he could. So would have Minato- instead he realised that to defeat Madara they would need power of Kyuubi too. Hashirama off course was fooled big time. I won't debate the rest of it but, in this account nobody can be called a failure- except maybe Hashirama, for the other two realised that they could restrain Madara but couldn't take him out completely and looked for other longer strategies to deal with him- that's what an intelligent shinobi would do.

 

[khaydz5]

For real man? Ok, we got a hater here. Obviously you like Sasuke more than Itachi, and that's fine.

But....he's not a failure!!!!
Believe me when I say that Sasuke ruined his own stupid life!! HE HAD THE OPTION FOR PEACE in Konoha, and he decided to run down the path of revenge in the end, even though it wasn't fatal to his living like he claimed. Sasuke then got said revenge, and started to go insane! Instead of letting it go, he decided to join the bad guy(I still think it's an act), even after he said he'd kill the "other" uchiha that survived. Then he goes after Konoha, and still hates the only potential friends he had, Naruto and Sakura.

Now, my point is, that he's stupid BECAUSE he says he wants the Leaf to stop laughing scornfully at him. He "wants" Itachi back, even though it's HIS OWN FAULT that Itachi is gone, and he's so whiny now. He has NO skills anymore that are his own save Kirin, everything is given to him, and he doesn't train for anything anymore.
My friend, he wrecked his own little life because he has no control, and his hatred is off to the wrong people.

Itachi cannot be called a failure EVER! He freakin broke out of Kabuto's Jutsu! I don't care who you are, that's freakin amazing in it's own right.
He's smarter than Shikamaru, and he's planned this far ahead, even after his own death! you can't deny those are great feats! And I know you said not smarts, but no one else can plan this far ahead, and he knew exactly what Sasuke would do, and he's still caring towards his bro.

Also notice how he doesn't want to kill Sasuke....huh? Even now, so why do you think that is? He's still protecting his weak and foolish brother, and with Naruto's and Shusui's help, he'll be able to protect Konoha.

Sasuke just went down the wrong road on his own because he doesn't care about anyone anymore.He deserves the stompdown that's coming to him!

I was so annoyed at Nagato in the latest chapter! It was REALLY interesting till that little bugger went nuts!

If by your standards Itachi is a failure, then Sasuke is in worse shape in that category. Itachi is a good brother, and you can't change how we view that.
peace

just this one. i would like to point out to you that itachi breakingout of edo tensei is just pure luck and if you think further, it is a FAILURE to itachi again coz the crow is MEANT FOR SASUKE and not to himself. the 10 decade cool down of shisui's eye was wasted because of what happened now.

 

[Kinimaster]

just this one. i would like to point out to you that itachi breakingout of edo tensei is just pure luck and if you think further, it is a FAILURE to itachi again coz the crow is MEANT FOR SASUKE and not to himself. the 10 decade cool down of shisui's eye was wasted because of what happened now.

No one could have forseen being brought back to life, plus its not complete failure since, he nows on person might go to stop sasuke or fight Madara, or just help the alliance, the outcome is not that much different.

 

[ackeem1992]

Itachi‘s failure as a brother and a shinobi (not talking about intelligence or abilities)

This whole mess started with Itachi not fully committing to a mission he took upon himself, sure the elders gave him the orders, but it was his decision to obey or not.

He ended up doing a half job which resulted in ruining Sasuke’s life. Sasuke would have found peace if his life ended the night of the massacre, because then he wouldn’t have carried the extreme amount of hate he has now. You might say he couldn’t make himself kill his beloved little brother, which might have had some merit if he didn’t just murder his entire clan, his mother and father included. Itachi was willing to kill for his ideology and leaders, so him not completing the task was selfish and it obviously came back to haunt him and the entire shinobi alliance.

The remainings of itachi’s life was focused on redeeming himself, by making sure Sasuke was strong enough to not only kill him, but also move on with his life after carrying such a big burden. Itachi’s methods were also questionable here´, because he actually made sasuke more miserable by constantly mocking and humiliate him just so Sasuke’s hate could grow(with powers).Very counterproductive, because this also removed Sasuke from the love and appreciation he received from the village, and more importantly Team 7.

The only one who could/would tell Sasuke about the massacre was madara. Itachi knew that, but obviously he couldn’t take down madara, so he decided to keep an eye on him and keep him in check, which at best was a temporarely solution .When he died, his worst nightmare happened and sasuke got picked up by madara, and itachi’s desperate attempt at stopping madara(the strongest uchiha in history)with sasuke’s eyes failed yet again.I don’t think itachi thought this long, but rather put the ameterasu as an extra guarantee otherwise he would’ve thought of something better.

Finally, the last chance to help/manipulate sasuke into joining the good side failed with shisui’s eye getting exposed used against a zombie version of itachi. This was his last resort, and sasuke’s destiny is for always out of itachi’s hands, hence the failure as not just a shinobi but a brother.He now has to rely on other folks to do what he himself couldn’t. Action speaks louder than words, and itachi’s good intentions doesn’t change the events which occured.

i'v said this same exact thing on nb countless times, people on here just don't care his fan base is just too huge.

 

[ReLax -]

just this one. i would like to point out to you that itachi breakingout of edo tensei is just pure luck and if you think further, it is a FAILURE to itachi again coz the crow is MEANT FOR SASUKE and not to himself. the 10 decade cool down of shisui's eye was wasted because of what happened now.

Not pure luck but Shisui genjutsu which was created for this type of situation. It was used in a wrong situation but than again Itachi being controlled under Kabuto isn't a good idea considering he's a highly skilled ninja and him with Nagato could destroy anyone like they (Itachi and Nagato) said with the Rinnegan and Sharingan.

As far as Shisui eye for Sasuke, Itachi did state he couldn't use it at that time when he fought Sasuke or at times when they encountered each other but he had other things planned for him (Sasuke) and his (Itachi) death.

 

[khaydz5]

No one could have forseen being brought back to life, plus its not complete failure since, he nows on person might go to stop sasuke or fight Madara, or just help the alliance, the outcome is not that much different.

no he is totally useless now being an edo summon, he cannot be controlled now by kabuto, but still kabuto is his summoner and kabuto can just release him in this world anytime he wants.

the only thing itachi would be of good use is for his knowledge.naruto and friends can get info from him, that is if kabuto wont release him in his edo tensei.

 

[Kinimaster]

no he is totally useless now being an edo summon, he cannot be controlled now by kabuto, but still kabuto is his summoner and kabuto can just release him in this world anytime he wants.

the only thing itachi would be of good use is for his knowledge.naruto and friends can get info from him, that is if kabuto wont release him in his edo tensei.

No one can really tell, you are asumming that the genjutsu didnt affect kabuto's edo tensei to release him. I think otherwise. With Kishimoto is like a coinflip.

 

[khaydz5]

Not pure luck but Shisui genjutsu which was created for this type of situation. It was used in a wrong situation but than again Itachi being controlled under Kabuto isn't a good idea considering he's a highly skilled ninja and him with Nagato could destroy anyone like they (Itachi and Nagato) said with the Rinnegan and Sharingan.

As far as Shisui eye for Sasuke, Itachi did state he couldn't use it at that time when he fought Sasuke or at times when they encountered each other but he had other things planned for him (Sasuke) and his (Itachi) death.

dumb..the crow was meant for SASUKE. read manga again. he could not use it when he face sasuke that is why itachi gave it to naruto to use it in the future if ever sasuke will be a treat to konoha.

the purpose itachi is talking about is what madara told sasuke.thats it. review manga.

 

[siyo]

Well Hashirama failure on killing Toib/Madara led to a huge monster even bigger than Sasuke, just look at Tobi/Madara now Izanagi, Teleportation, 7 tail beast, Sharingans/MS/EMS (Don't know if he has MS or EMS but will put that their), and now Rinnegan. All this came from a failure, Hashirama. 3rd/Jiriaya also failed to do anything about Oro which also led to a monster which attacked Konoho and Jiriaya also created a monster Nagato/Pein. He failed to even stop him leading in his death and destruction of Konoho. considered flawless much? A lot of people could not see anything wrong with what these guys have done also. Sasuke has yet to attacked Konoho so he isn't in a bad spot as these guys were.

We can agree that Missing-nin are a threat to villages and should be taken out but yet these people failed. They also created monsters in the process of protecting their villages.

Itachi goal was to keep Konoho away from war and Tobi/Madara way from Konoho as long as he could. Sasuke was just a desire for him. He (Itachi) wished that Sasuke would get stronger seek him out and than kill him going back to Konoho as a hero, also reviving the Uchiha clan name. There is still hope for Sasuke, I do believe near the end his brain will click in and he will fight for the alliance (Konoho) as Itachi desired.

Well itachi himself said that if sasuke became a threat he would have betrayed his trust,hence failing.So, while he was loyal to konoha and that was an important priority he took sasuke's future on his shoulders.



while i agree with some of the other names(although on a smaller scale) i must say the harishima situation was completely different. itachi controlled the destiny of sasuke and he knew exactly what he was doing(letting sasuke live).Harishima defeated madara and actually won the battle of konoha, and as a bonus created peace between the shinobi nations.How the hell would he know that madara somehow survived?That is completely circumstantial.......

just this one. i would like to point out to you that itachi breakingout of edo tensei is just pure luck and if you think further, it is a FAILURE to itachi again coz the crow is MEANT FOR SASUKE and not to himself. the 10 decade cool down of shisui's eye was wasted because of what happened now.

yup

 

[ReLax -]

dumb..the crow was meant for SASUKE. read manga again. he could not use it when he face sasuke that is why itachi gave it to naruto to use it in the future if ever sasuke will be a treat to konoha.

the purpose itachi is talking about is what madara told sasuke.thats it. review manga.

I did state that it was used in a wrong situation so I don't know why you got your panties in a bunch there.

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Itachi did state something about Mokuton and Shisui eye (Bottom two panels)

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Naruto already reacts/effects to Mokuton (Zetsu) (Bottom panels).

Therefor the crow still being useful in the future against Sasuke is a possibility even if is a rare one.

 

[blazekev90]

I've never seen so many stupids responds in my life lol. Itachi did fail as a brother and u have to be an idiot to not see that. Ppl say Sasuke was his own man and what itachi ment to do...wft Sasuke was a little boy was witnessed the death of his family/clan by his BROTHER and then was told to get revenge by getting stronger ad killing the one closest to you. Wft kinda brother is that, he messed Sasuke up and should be held responsible for everything.

 

[Avani]

I've never seen so many stupids responds in my life lol. Itachi did fail as a brother and u have to be an idiot to not see that. Ppl say Sasuke was his own man and what itachi ment to do...wft Sasuke was a little boy was witnessed the death of his family/clan by his BROTHER and then was told to get revenge by getting stronger ad killing the one closest to you. Wft kinda brother is that, he messed Sasuke up and should be held responsible for everything.

The only thing Itachi failed in was that he couldn't wipe out his clan 100% and loved Sasuke a bit too much to kill him off and hoped to revive his clan and save it's honour through him. Ultimately proving that he was not that cold killing machine he should have been in theory.

So yeah he failed according to strict shinobi code. But, I'm sure Naruto and many other in the Narutoverse would let it slide by the philosophy of the manga itself- the way Naruto is trying to change the shinobi world.

It's time to agree to disagree for all of you since name calling has started now. Calling another's opinion stupid because you do not agree with their POV is not really that impressive.Both sides have some genuine points here.