[Discussion] Itachi‘s failure as a brother and a shinobi

[Anub]

This thread is about itachi and his failures not about all the other characters you mention in your post.I do not hate itachi but simply stating facts from the manga which alot of people choose to ignore.Did i say itachi was the only one to fail in the naruto universe? No,so that's on you.Btw harishima defeated madara(whom began hiding) and build the peace between the nations,so i don't see how you see that as a fail.


you should have madara under your failure list,since he failed to kill him,and restricting madara was only a temporarely solution.Sure he got sasuke stronger but he also help sasuke' hate which destroyed him and everyone near him.And i'm pretty sure itachi gave the thumps up to kisame regarding killing jounins from the leaf.

bold : yes you do

I saw you on Itachi vs threads and I don't recall you ever taking Itachi's side. Now you start a thread about his failings. Let me ask you this : If I were to start a thread called " Itachi's greatest accomplishment as a shinobi and as a brother" and start saying all the fact that make Itachi look like a perfect shinobi, would you reply in a decent, well-written manner or would you call me an Itachi fanboy? As you may know, I already have an answer in mind. Well that is the exact opposite of your thread, which I am still thinking of starting, just to see how you (and a few others) would react. Normally, I would say that I am only stating the goods in that thread and not at all the bads, so it's 100% true, yet not complete.

 

[ShinobiMu]

yo listen kid. itachi gave a third of his power to naruto - shisui's technique-KOTOMATSUKAMI- so that sasuke could be stoped easily. yet itachi is so powerfull the technique was used on himself.
the biggest threat konoha could have is itachi. not sasuke or madara. itachi broke thruu IWR what other shinobi has done that..and i dont mean beying sealed..NONE SO SHUT DA F**K UP ABOUT ITACHI BEFORE YOU CATCH AMATERASU!!!!!!

 

[UchihaObito]

Itachi‘s failure as a brother and a shinobi (not talking about intelligence or abilities)

This whole mess started with Itachi not fully committing to a mission he took upon himself, sure the elders gave him the orders, but it was his decision to obey or not.

He ended up doing a half job which resulted in ruining Sasuke’s life. Sasuke would have found peace if his life ended the night of the massacre, because then he wouldn’t have carried the extreme amount of hate he has now. You might say he couldn’t make himself kill his beloved little brother, which might have had some merit if he didn’t just murder his entire clan, his mother and father included. Itachi was willing to kill for his ideology and leaders, so him not completing the task was selfish and it obviously came back to haunt him and the entire shinobi alliance.

The remainings of itachi’s life was focused on redeeming himself, by making sure Sasuke was strong enough to not only kill him, but also move on with his life after carrying such a big burden. Itachi’s methods were also questionable here´, because he actually made sasuke more miserable by constantly mocking and humiliate him just so Sasuke’s hate could grow(with powers).Very counterproductive, because this also removed Sasuke from the love and appreciation he received from the village, and more importantly Team 7.

The only one who could/would tell Sasuke about the massacre was madara. Itachi knew that, but obviously he couldn’t take down madara, so he decided to keep an eye on him and keep him in check, which at best was a temporarely solution .When he died, his worst nightmare happened and sasuke got picked up by madara, and itachi’s desperate attempt at stopping madara(the strongest uchiha in history)with sasuke’s eyes failed yet again.I don’t think itachi thought this long, but rather put the ameterasu as an extra guarantee otherwise he would’ve thought of something better.

Finally, the last chance to help/manipulate sasuke into joining the good side failed with shisui’s eye getting exposed used against a zombie version of itachi. This was his last resort, and sasuke’s destiny is for always out of itachi’s hands, hence the failure as not just a shinobi but a brother.He now has to rely on other folks to do what he himself couldn’t. Action speaks louder than words, and itachi’s good intentions doesn’t change the events which occured.

Wow... If Itachi hadent performed the Uchiha Massacre then Sasuke would be dead. Itachi was a hero and a great brother and i think 99.9% of the Naruto fanbase agrees with that FACT.

 

[ShinobiMu]

bold : yes you do

I saw you on Itachi vs threads and I don't recall you ever taking Itachi's side. Now you start a thread about his failings. Let me ask you this : If I were to start a thread called " Itachi's greatest accomplishment as a shinobi and as a brother" and start saying all the fact that make Itachi look like a perfect shinobi, would you reply in a decent, well-written manner or would you call me an Itachi fanboy? As you may know, I already have an answer in mind. Well that is the exact opposite of your thread, which I am still thinking of starting, just to see how you (and a few others) would react. Normally, I would say that I am only stating the goods in that thread and not at all the bads, so it's 100% true, yet not complete.

good point anu good point

 

[siyo]

bold : yes you do

I saw you on Itachi vs threads and I don't recall you ever taking Itachi's side. Now you start a thread about his failings.

glad to see you're following me around i must say i feel kinda violated,and even with your constantw atching i must say that you are wrong.I have said in many occasions that itachi is an elite ninja and i actually said that i think he could take minato on.so,obviously a fail there and you can make any thread you like because it is yours.This thread is about itachi failing,and obvioulsy it created a debate(and brought some retar..).if you made a thread all the things itachi did then i would look and see if i agreed..duh

yo listen kid.NONE SO SHUT DA F**K UP ABOUT ITACHI BEFORE YOU CATCH AMATERASU!!!!!!

omg the kid calling someone a kid.You actually believe in make belief tecniques and are threatening me with it?

The choices he was left with were no easy choices, you have to admit. Kill his clan to prevent an all out war within the village and possibly outside or let the Uchiha go ahead with theit coup d'etate and have thousands if not millions killed. Uchiha would've ended up like the Kaguya clan imo.

the choice was of course difficult however the thing was itachi flip flopped and made one big mess which as i said resulted in not just sasuke's hatred, but also created a monster.Itachi took a choice and when he needed to be strong and execute his mission he didn't, he felt a lot of guilt and couldn't do it, and you must admit that everything he planned for sasuke later failed.And it didn't make it easy for sasuke to be coinstantly mocked and humiliated by itachi.

lol I was thinking about this too today. I know people love Itachi and think hes awesome, but in reality he failed pretty badly. xd

His plan was for Sasuke to revive the clan and the Uchiha name and instead he ended up becoming one of the most wanted criminals in the world.

All in all, it is true Itachi failed. It is his fault that Sasuke is on the wrong road. He is now evil and still filled with hate. Therefore Itachi Failed.

exactly,simple put.

Well it seems you know nothing, no suprise tbh

only failure itachi made was not killing sasuke.



He is more of a man/shinobi than sasuke will ever be

Most people that hate on itachi are sasuke fanbois not worth listening toU_U

where did i say i was a sasuke fan? another one who assumed things about people who disagree with their beliefs.And itachi not killing sasuke was a pretty big failure(as you say yourself) so why are you arguing with me?

You wanted to get flammed dude?

don't give a f...sheeps are only good in numbers : - ).you should go with your opinion no matter what people say.

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[Spaniard88]

All im saying is there's more to Itachi's story.
Never killed his clan

 

[Inception]

Fact is the OP created this thread just to get flamed or get a reaction from everyone. Only 4 or so people out of everyone who replied in your 7 or so page thread agrees with you. Perhaps a poll would have helped?

 

[YIN YANG]

Itachi hasn't failed he made sasuke powerful and even defeat his older brother like Itachi wanted he was prepared for sasuke if he knew the truth and if he went to the village.Doesn't even matter if shishu jutsu was casted on Itachi because Itachi is moble again and can find sasuke himself.Even though he died and took a gamble for his plan to be fullfulled.He now back from the dead and can try to fulfill it by himseelf and see sasuke again.

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[veggetta13]

Itachi‘s failure as a brother and a shinobi (not talking about intelligence or abilities)

This whole mess started with Itachi not fully committing to a mission he took upon himself, sure the elders gave him the orders, but it was his decision to obey or not.

He ended up doing a half job which resulted in ruining Sasuke’s life. Sasuke would have found peace if his life ended the night of the massacre, because then he wouldn’t have carried the extreme amount of hate he has now. You might say he couldn’t make himself kill his beloved little brother, which might have had some merit if he didn’t just murder his entire clan, his mother and father included. Itachi was willing to kill for his ideology and leaders, so him not completing the task was selfish and it obviously came back to haunt him and the entire shinobi alliance.

The remainings of itachi’s life was focused on redeeming himself, by making sure Sasuke was strong enough to not only kill him, but also move on with his life after carrying such a big burden. Itachi’s methods were also questionable here´, because he actually made sasuke more miserable by constantly mocking and humiliate him just so Sasuke’s hate could grow(with powers).Very counterproductive, because this also removed Sasuke from the love and appreciation he received from the village, and more importantly Team 7.

The only one who could/would tell Sasuke about the massacre was madara. Itachi knew that, but obviously he couldn’t take down madara, so he decided to keep an eye on him and keep him in check, which at best was a temporarely solution .When he died, his worst nightmare happened and sasuke got picked up by madara, and itachi’s desperate attempt at stopping madara(the strongest uchiha in history)with sasuke’s eyes failed yet again.I don’t think itachi thought this long, but rather put the ameterasu as an extra guarantee otherwise he would’ve thought of something better.

Finally, the last chance to help/manipulate sasuke into joining the good side failed with shisui’s eye getting exposed used against a zombie version of itachi. This was his last resort, and sasuke’s destiny is for always out of itachi’s hands, hence the failure as not just a shinobi but a brother.He now has to rely on other folks to do what he himself couldn’t. Action speaks louder than words, and itachi’s good intentions doesn’t change the events which occured.

Failure?


What is failure supposed to mean to you?

I believe the thread guy is in need of popularity.

 

[Brexten]

I read 3 pages, then i couldn´t read any further, because of the pure FLAME i was reading.
Come on guys Siyo has a opinion and even if you disagree do it in a
respectfull way. If you state something you want some nice answers don´t ya?
If you bash other opinions to the ground like that you are not better then a stubborn child.

B2T: I think you absolutly right. He failed. I don´t say he is a good or bad brother.
He love his brother thats for shure, but i think he should have finished the job.
Itachi must have seen what his life will be, and he choose to let him live...
Thats some how really really cruel and selfish, but i think he did the best he could
in the situation he was in.

 

[YIN YANG]

the choice was of course difficult however the thing was itachi flip flopped and made one big mess which as i said resulted in not just sasuke's hatred, but also created a monster.Itachi took a choice and when he needed to be strong and execute his mission he didn't, he felt a lot of guilt and couldn't do it, and you must admit that everything he planned for sasuke later failed.And it didn't make it easy for sasuke to be coinstantly mocked and humiliated by itachi.



So did Itachi making sasuke stronger fail and sasuke also gaining the ms
fail too.:flaw:

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[Redd]

So no one here has a problem with Itachi failing as a double agent for not using Naruto's method of peace.

 

[Brexten]

glad to see you're following me around i must say i feel kinda violated,and even with your constantw atching i must say that you are wrong.I have said in many occasions that itachi is an elite ninja and i actually said that i think he could take minato on.so,obviously a fail there and you can make any thread you like because it is yours.This thread is about itachi failing,and obvioulsy it created a debate(and brought some retar..).if you made a thread all the things itachi did then i would look and see if i agreed..duh



omg the kid calling someone a kid.You actually believe in make belief tecniques and are threatening me with it?




the choice was of course difficult however the thing was itachi flip flopped and made one big mess which as i said resulted in not just sasuke's hatred, but also created a monster.Itachi took a choice and when he needed to be strong and execute his mission he didn't, he felt a lot of guilt and couldn't do it, and you must admit that everything he planned for sasuke later failed.And it didn't make it easy for sasuke to be coinstantly mocked and humiliated by itachi.





exactly,simple put.




where did i say i was a sasuke fan? another one who assumed things about people who disagree with their beliefs.And itachi not killing sasuke was a pretty big failure(as you say yourself) so why are you arguing with me?



don't give a f...sheeps are only good in numbers : - ).you should go with your opinion no matter what people say.

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Thats the spirit

 

[Inception]

He wasn't making trips to Konoha for the fun of it. He was working with Akatsuki. If they had just sent Kisame instead of Itachi, Naruto would be dead by now. He was there to prevent Naruto's capture but Sasuke kept showing up to confront him. He showed him his place, the humiliation was self inflicted and it was entirely Sasuke's doing. What was Itachi suppose to do? Show kindness, hug Sasuke? He had to keep a persona.

 

[siyo]

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Thank you dear brother for killing my entire family,and sparing me! Thank you for constantly mocking me and building up my hate, so i push everyone near me away and making my desire to kill you cloud every moral and loyalty i have for my village.The eyes and powers are all worth it! Now i can use it to plant a nuke on the entire naruto universe,and dear brother thank you for for every tear i shed.(/sarcasm off)



anyways i am off....

 

[leafeater]

Honestly there hasn't been much discussion (though there has been some), mostly reactions, and I stopped after a certain while starting from the beginning and end. Too many people love Itachi to make this work especially with such a provocative title. You'd think some of these responses are his true absolute defense, lol. It's like a person, Siyo the OP, going to the beach when the forecast is a tsunami. Still, he went to the beach anyway... gotta give him credit for that...agree or disagree.

Peace

 

[durandal]

Fact is the OP created this thread just to get flamed or get a reaction from everyone. Only 4 or so people out of everyone who replied in your 7 or so page thread agrees with you. Perhaps a poll would have helped?

the only thing a poll would show is how many butthurt itatchi fans like itatchi. nobody evern read the article. most even admitted to it.
seriously. itatchis IS super strong. one of the coolest and most powerful ninjas. but he definatly failed in his atempt to protect sasuke/the leaf.

 

[Inception]

So no one here has a problem with Itachi failing as a double agent for not using Naruto's method of peace.

I have no idea what you mean by this.

Didn't he give Naruto the eye of Shisui all because he believes Naruto had the same goal for peace as Shisui?

He did not fail as a double agent. He successfully caused the Uchiha genocide while looking like the murderer. No one knows about the Uchiha plan to coup d'etate or the uprising except Tobi and the elders. The elders are keeping their mouth shut but the butt-hurt Tobi has told Naruto, Kakashi and Yamato. Only 3 people other than the ones involved in the massacre know, really. Itachi's double agent mission was a success.

Edit for duradel:

His mission to protect leaf? His real mission was to cause the Uchiha massacre, take the blame and go rogue. He accomplished this mission. He wanted to protect the leaf and he did until he was alive. Madara only made his move AFTER Itachi was dead. Why don't you put Minato in Itachi's shoe and explain how he failed his mission or even Jiraiya. You won't because all you see are his accomplishments. You are blinded by your hatred.

If you make a negative thread about Itachi, it's officially an opinion but when we post something to defend our arguments, we're considered fanboys.

 

[Rushboy]

dont forget if the take over the leaf village the will try to take over the world just like madara

 

[Redd]

I have no idea what you mean by this.

Didn't he give Naruto the eye of Shisui all because he believes Naruto had the same goal for peace as Shisui?

He did not fail as a double agent. He successfully caused the Uchiha genocide while looking like the murderer. No one knows about the Uchiha plan to coup d'etate or the uprising except Tobi and the elders. The elders are keeping their mouth shut but the butt-hurt Tobi has told Naruto, Kakashi and Yamato. Only 3 people other than the ones involved in the massacre know, really. Itachi's double agent mission was a success.

And this all could have been avoided if Itachi Make his father and the 3rd come together and talk about their problems and come up with a compromise.