Genjutsu is highly overrated! Bee could beat itachi anyday!

[khaydz5]

I'm not a kid and we're talking about the manga. Stop bringing real-life into this thread.

Itachi was a good guy. He was forced to do bad things but for the sake of good.

GOOD will never be GOOD if bad things were needed to achieve GOOD. lol, this is real life dude.manga's suppose to give us lesson in real life. if you know the real purpose of the story... you should look deeper into things.

Itachi is a beast, and I'm pretty sure he will scrape the floor with Bee's face, but he cannot spam 3 Tsukiyomi consecutively without doing damage to himself. Tsukiyoma takes a great toll on him, he gets exhausted from using one. He may be able to take out one, but the other two won't stand there lined up waiting for it.

here dude.. you know when you're right when someone agrees with you.

 

[Inception]

Itachi is a beast, and I'm pretty sure he will scrape the floor with Bee's face, but he cannot spam 3 Tsukiyomi consecutively without doing damage to himself. Tsukiyoma takes a great toll on him, he gets exhausted from using one. He may be able to take out one, but the other two won't stand there lined up waiting for it.

You're right.

I was saying he can use 3 Tsukiyomi. Spamming it in a different thing though. If the Tsukiyomi is wasted then it's a huge backlash for Itachi.

 

[Uchiha seeker]

Yeah he transforms to eight tails mode and BAM amaterasu and hes out.. go Itachi

 

[Inception]

GOOD will never be GOOD if bad things were needed to achieve GOOD. lol, this is real life dude.manga's suppose to give us lesson in real life. if you know the real purpose of the story... you should look deeper into things.

here dude.. you know when you're right when someone agrees with you.

Bad things are done to achieve what is considered good in our real world. Have you heard of the "War On Terror"? Do you know how many innocents were killed to just find one guy? Do you know how your country invaded a neutral country, killed their leader, screwed up the entire nation just to find one terrorist scum who was found in an "allied" country, hiding safely in the shadows of the government? Doing bad to do good is done daily.

Danzo was created to be the splitting image of the dictators we have in the world.

What Itachi did is unacceptable in real-life. Naruto is a manga and that's all it is. Looking for a meaning in every story is just foolish.

 

[khaydz5]

Bad things are done to achieve what is considered good in our real world. Have you heard of the "War On Terror"? Do you know how many innocents were killed to just find one guy? Do you know how your country invaded a neutral country, killed their leader, screwed up the entire nation just to find one terrorist scum who was found in an "allied" country, hiding safely in the shadows of the government? Doing bad to do good is done daily.

Danzo was created to be the splitting image of the dictators we have in the world.

What Itachi did is unacceptable in real-life. Naruto is a manga and that's all it is. Looking for a meaning in every story is just foolish.

done. this is what i am saying and you finally get it.

 

[Inception]

Actually, it's exactly opposite.

 

[Saphlan]

Quote: Originally Posted by Inception
Bad things are done to achieve what is considered good in our real world. Have you heard of the "War On Terror"? Do you know how many innocents were killed to just find one guy? Do you know how your country invaded a neutral country, killed their leader, screwed up the entire nation just to find one terrorist scum who was found in an "allied" country, hiding safely in the shadows of the government? Doing bad to do good is done daily.

Danzo was created to be the splitting image of the dictators we have in the world.

What Itachi did is unacceptable in real-life. Naruto is a manga and that's all it is. Looking for a meaning in every story is just foolish.


done. this is what i am saying and you finally get it.

GOOD will never be GOOD if bad things were needed to achieve GOOD. lol, this is real life dude.manga's suppose to give us lesson in real life. if you know the real purpose of the story... you should look deeper into things.

I don't think you quite agree with yourself here, don't you think? :flaw:

 

[Gaara81]

the only thing that is overrated is you and naruto himself....:flaw:

 

[Gaara81]

keotsueclipse i agree with you....you are a smart one....about genjutsu and the brain part.....my point exactly genjutsu can kill and also have other uses as well example danzo's izanagi technique.

 

[ReLax -]

Bad things are done to achieve what is considered good in our real world. Have you heard of the "War On Terror"? Do you know how many innocents were killed to just find one guy? Do you know how your country invaded a neutral country, killed their leader, screwed up the entire nation just to find one terrorist scum who was found in an "allied" country, hiding safely in the shadows of the government? Doing bad to do good is done daily.

Danzo was created to be the splitting image of the dictators we have in the world.

What Itachi did is unacceptable in real-life. Naruto is a manga and that's all it is. Looking for a meaning in every story is just foolish.

I'd have to disagree with that statement here. What Itachi did would be right on the line of right and wrong (in other words in the middle IMO).

When you look at it the third Hokage had tried to talk to the Uchiha and come to an agreement with them but they were hungry for vengeance. What happen to them wasn't right but the same goes with Naruto as in the latest anime and back about 100 or so chapters Naruto was being praised as a hero and like the Ramen guy said not too long before he was hated among the village.

The Uchiha had the 3rd Hokage reaching out to them and trying to help but they were unlike Naruto and were set on one thing and that was taking over the village. Itachi was unlike other Uchihas, he loved the village and devoted his life to it and as well he respected the Uchiha clan but didn't agree with their methods. What really happen has brought some twist into the story in latest chapter when Itachi said he never thought Tobi knew about it. Their is still plenty hidden on what really took place that night.

When you think of the Uchiha massacre it was meant to happen or the whole story would go down hill and maybe no Naruto would have existed. At that point Naruto was about 5-6 years old and the Uchiha plot to take over was set obviously during the night or a time when the village as it it's weakest. If say the Uchiha came out and a battle broke lose many innocent would die maybe even something may happen to Naruto causing the nine tails to get out and to top it off not many villages were very kind with Konoho at that time so they would have taken their advantage and ambushed also when both Uchiha and the rest of Konoho forces were weak and this would come down to other nations gain the Sharingan, Bakyugan and even the Nine tails was up for grabs. What Itachi did was not right but in order to protect his village and and save many innocent it was meant to happen. The thrid was the leader Itachi told him why didn't he take Itachi out their? or why didn't he send people after him? he knew what happen wasn't something Itachi would want to do what his orders by the Konoho elders and to save the village in his case it was better to take out the Uchiha than letting the entire nation burn.

To put this in real life translations what the Uchiha were planning on doing would have been a criminal act aka Terrorism, Itachi being the ANBU Black Opps took this mission and he made himself look bad so the Uchiha name wouldn't look bad in everyone's eyes and that was even stated in the previous chapter by him.

This isn't pointed exactly at you Inception and my bad for any mistakes

 

[Vendair]

got kind of far but didn't read it all. I think genjutsus could kill someone if it caused them enough mental stress (mental stress has killed people in real life) and I believe it has been implied that certain genjutsus have or can kill people even though it's not shown and just said but no I don't have proof and not wasting time to look it up. Now B and genjutsu. I'm not entirely sure how helpful the hachibi is (though I'm pretty positive it is very helpful). And I'm not sure if Samehada helped or not with the breaking of the genjutsu (it's possible B is still in a genjutsu (doubt it though)) I do believe Samehada will be very helpful against Itachi since it was Kisame's sword and Kisame was Itachi's partner so since it sort of has a mind of it's own it probably knows a lot of Itachi's abilities and it wouldn't be suprising if Kisame and Itachi worked with Samehada on breaking Genjutsu. The whole ordeal of a genjutsu vs 2+ people being a total fail is false I think. I don't believe Itachi has to focus on one person (not a for sure on all of this) so if multiple people looked into his eye(s) at once then they all would be trapped (still not sure) and then all the other genjutsu senses could probably catch multiple targets though mutliple targets would also probably = weaker genjutsu. also earlier on someone mentioned something about genjutsu that didn't capture it targets using any of the senses but they also mentioned leaves falling...that would be touch...a touch based genjutsu could probably be the area genjutsu idea they came up with it since it could be the touch from the air or ground around them or whatever. My opinion of genjutsu-I like it I love the idea of trapping and crippling an oppenent and if a genjutsu mastered teamed up a Ninjutsu master I think it would make a great pair. My opinion of Itachi-He's a cool character not at the very top of my favorites but still cool. My opinion of B-He could be pretty cool if it wasn't for his annoying rap. finally please excuse my any spelling, grammar, or simple mistakes I have made.

 

[ReLax -]

Yes, Genjutsu can kill if used in that way. Itachi let Kakashi go and I doubt anyone would like to see Kakashi taken out that early into the anime/manga as we saw the things he has done since than including his up coming rampage which we wouldn't get to see if Kishi just wanted to show people that genjutsu can kill by taking Kakashi out.

 

[Gaara81]

i wish Naruto would die....and hidden cloud, or stone or mist would just beat the crap out of leaf.

 

[veggetta13]

You get hit by?????????????????????????????????? Are you talking about Tsukoyomi as it if were a busdrive u nutz!!!
Who knows? No mind, no body

 

[Ultimatevirus]

genjutsu can killlllll

 

[raxy]

You are seriously underestimating ITACHI UCHIHA

 

[darkleoco]

When someone is trapped in a Genjutsu their body is left vulnerable, this is a large part of what makes the Uchiha so deadly is their ability to trap you in powerful Genjutsu, Genjutsu is very underrated considering just how lethal it can be. As for Bee beating Itachi you forget just what Itachi was capable of he was undoubtedly more skilled than any Uchiha still alive not to mention he was more experienced using his MS abilities than Sasuke and even Sasuke had a decent fight against Bee without knowing even what he was up against.

 

[Rovian]

madara's illusion is on another level than tsukoyomi.. its IZANAGI, the illusion that madara is talking about is his IZANAGI. IZANAGI can turn illusion to reality. where as TSUKOYOMI is just an illusion that tricks the mind of the victim.

There we go again.. you people really need to read the f-u-c-king Manga before just randomly talking from your asses, and bringing events that didn't even happen..

Madara used Izanagi one time only, and the eye he used it on "which is the left one.." has gone blind the moment he used it on Konan when she used her six billion explosive tags Jutsu to kill him, Madara used Izanagi to turn "THAT" reality into illusion, Izanagi IS NOT the Genjutsu Madara used to kill Konan when he was grabbing her on here:

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He used Genjutsu, I can't confirm it being Tsukuyomi, but it's highly possible that he used Tsukuyomi on her.. no one mentioned what he used, but It was an illusion anyways..

He used Izanagi to stab her from the back, and that stab didn't kill her right away, but it badly injured her.. Izanagi don't kill the opponents, but it can be a cause to their death, Izanagi actually save the user from death.. which is why Madara used it:

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Now, if you actually have anything to argue about.. then please bring up your proves from the Manga, randomly bringing utter crap from your mouth ain't gonna work, please bring your prove or just f-u-c-k off without bother replying cause you're a noob as hell..

 

[jabznaruto]

orochimaru was defeated by sasuke's genjutsu...oro was assimilated into sasuke's power...oro died physically then...---a proof that uchiha's genjutsu could kill.

itachi showed kakashi near death pains by way of genjutsu....kakashi could have died if itachi willed it...

itachi tricked deidara into a genjutsu....and deidara submitted himself to the akatsuki because of that....should deidara triggered the explosion then, he could have died and killed himself...---but it could have been caused by a genjutsu...

modern day hypnotism could be a genjutsu thing...could cause death but not by it...yet leading to one's death

...genjutsu isn't overrated...it is an actual-simple art by eye powers yet deadly...even bee...even Naruto could be caught by the power --- just that they could break out of it through chakra manipulation.

 

[Rafeal brown]

And you know this because? He just left the battle because his intentions were good. He never liked fighting and he did not want to kill them; he even admitted it during the first few sentences of his introduction into the manga.

Itachi used Tsukiyomi, spammed Amaterasu and used Susano'o while being so close to death. I'm pretty sure he can pull out more than one Tsukiyomi.

Going to your logic, Tsukiyomi also puts a great amount of toll on the body of those who are affected. Kakashi was in bed for weeks.

I agree with u, zetsu confirmed that itachi and sasuke were both out of chakra shortly after that sasuke used kirin(kirin doesn't uses the user's chakra but natures chakra) and itachi was still able to use susanoo for 5-7minites.